The 2008 New York Yankees

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Fighting Hellfish wrote:

This is what I hate about baseball in its current form. I wish the Twins would just keep johan, sign him long term, and the yankees can keep all 3 of their pitching prospects. You have the runaway best pitcher in baseball. KEEP HIM!I felt the same way years ago when Giambi was a free agent. I wanted him to stay with Oakland for the good of baseball. I hate that 25 teams serve as a farm system to the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, and a few other teams.

The suspense is killing me. It seems to me the Yankees deal is off as far as Santana is concerned... That leaves the Red Sox, Angels, and Mariners...
At best, I think the Twins are looking to just a one-year extension for Johan.

xavier mcdaniel

and we have a trade and a big one at that....



Tyler Clippard to Washington for relief pitcher Jonathan Albaladejo

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/

igotid88

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

and we have a trade and a big one at that....



Tyler Clippard to Washington for relief pitcher Jonathan Albaladejo

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/

scared me there for a sec. I thought it was the Santana deal. Well it's passed 12 a.m. I hope they don't deal Hughes.

igotid88

breaking news on sportscenter says Santana to Yankee deal unlikely. As much as i wanted Santana the last few years. Not for Hughes or even Kennedy.

Fighting Hellfish

yeah, i'm with you. And I'm a huge Santana fan. Drafted him in 2 fantasy leagues back when he was a reliever, 2003 or so. That said, I'm excited to have a bunch of kids on the team, and would kind of like to see the payroll go down. I'm tired of the "Well for a $200 million payroll they better win at least the division." I'm actually excited for 2009, first year in the new stadium and Pavano and Giambi are definitely gone (That's $33 mil right there. And I'm still pissed they DFA'ed Phillips while they have American Idle Pavano taking up a spot) and Mussina and Abreu are probably gone (another $27 million)

Fighting Hellfish

I like that trade. clippard didn't have much of a future here. And Albaladejo looks promising.

Some numbers from the minors

Year Team W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV INN H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2004 A-Lynchburg 8 8 4.33 24 24 1 1 0 131.0 150 72 63 10 5 25 92
2005 A-Lynchburg 4 3 3.91 28 6 0 0 2 78.1 74 40 34 9 2 21 76
2006 AA-Altoona 1 2 4.00 18 1 0 0 1 36.0 41 18 16 4 3 5 27
2006 R-Pirates 1 0 2.92 3 2 0 0 0 12.1 12 4 4 1 0 3 16


about a K per inning
K/BB ratio is outstanding. something they absolutely need. a RP who throws strikes

I hope this deal becomes official because I love it

igotid88

Part of Jayson Starks column on Espn.com.

"Meanwhile, officials from other clubs said some Yankees baseball personnel at the meetings have continued to agonize over the inclusion of Hughes in their offer, out of fear Hughes could come back to haunt them for years. So clearly, the decision to include Hughes in the first place was far from unanimous.


Cashman admitted there's a fear that players he might trade could win Cy Young Awards for another team.


"I'm definitely fully invested in a lot of the young talent. You get attached to it," Cashman said, according to the AP. "

Ledbetterus

igotid88 wrote:

Part of Jayson Starks column on Espn.com.

"Meanwhile, officials from other clubs said some Yankees baseball personnel at the meetings have continued to agonize over the inclusion of Hughes in their offer, out of fear Hughes could come back to haunt them for years. So clearly, the decision to include Hughes in the first place was far from unanimous.


Cashman admitted there's a fear that players he might trade could win Cy Young Awards for another team.


"I'm definitely fully invested in a lot of the young talent. You get attached to it," Cashman said, according to the AP. "

I couldn't be happier that they look to be hanging on to this young talent. After the 2000 season (and before it, but more-so after), the Yankees have just been throwing talent away for older more seasoned guys.. and while a lot of these guys turned out to help the team (no WS though), no one could argue that the young talent is where it's at.. Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, Williams, all guys that were born (or at least raised) in the Yankee system.. Those guys won 4 WS together.. Now it's their turn to teach the younger guys.. Hughes, Melky, Chamberlain, Kennedy.. the list goes on...

Go Yanks!

MyHandsBound

I was not impressed with melky this season...he's expendable

JSBE

igotid88 wrote:

Part of Jayson Starks column on Espn.com.

"Meanwhile, officials from other clubs said some Yankees baseball personnel at the meetings have continued to agonize over the inclusion of Hughes in their offer, out of fear Hughes could come back to haunt them for years. So clearly, the decision to include Hughes in the first place was far from unanimous.

Cashman admitted there's a fear that players he might trade could win Cy Young Awards for another team.

"I'm definitely fully invested in a lot of the young talent. You get attached to it," Cashman said, according to the AP. "

but hughes could suck in 2008 and 2009 and beyond. or he could be awesome and dominant. honestly, who cares if he wins a cy young in 2012? i thought the whole point was to win a world series and not individual awards?

potential vs. proven and i will take proven every single time.

Champagne Breakfast

Here's my dilema...
I really like Hughes and think he is nasty and will only get better. He's an original Yank. Therefore I would love to keep him and Melky. Cano would die without him. I would be overly happy with going for Haren or Bedard and keeping Hughes.

However,....I can't stomache Santana going to Boston. That would just be a killer lineup. Therefore it really put the Yanks in tough position. It's also not everyday a lefty ace cy young power pitcher like Santana becomes available.

It would be a win win for the Yanks if Santana to Boston was not a possibility.

intodeep

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

However,....I can't stomache Santana going to Boston. That would just be a killer lineup. Therefore it really put the Yanks in tough position. It's also not everyday a lefty ace cy young power pitcher like Santana becomes available.

It would be a win win for the Yanks of Santana to Boston was not a possibility.

I agree.

JSBE

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

Here's my dilema...
I really like Hughes and think he is nasty and will only get better. He's an original Yank. Therefore I would love to keep him and Melky. Cano would die without him. I would be overly happy with going for Haren or Bedard and keeping Hughes.

However,....I can't stomache Santana going to Boston. That would just be a killer lineup. Therefore it really put the Yanks in tough position. It's also not everyday a lefty ace cy young power pitcher like Santana becomes available.

It would be a win win for the Yanks of Santana to Boston was not a possibility.

i don't understand how you would NOT give up hughes, melky and a prospect for santana. hughes is all potential right now (to be good, great, horrible, average, etc). the yanks can go out and buy a replacement for melky. he was only playing because damon was just so inadequate in CF.

do you think that billy beane is NOT going to ask for hughes or kennedy in exchange for haren? everyone knows that joba is the one untouchable so everyone is going to ask for hughes and kennedy.

i still can't imagine the o's trading bedard to either the yanks or red sox.

josevolution

the yankees have to get santana he cannot end up in boston ....

JSBE

http://myespn.go.com/s/blogs/show/username/jnr98?target_tsn=1

Dear Hankenstein:

Please refrain from any and all public comments until there is an agreed-to deal in place. At that time, we will host a press conference where we will make all senior Yankee leadership available to the Press. Answering every phone call from every credentialed writer, while noble, is not the way to conduct yourself.

We need to conduct negotiations in a closed door environment. Opening the kimono for all to see reduces leverage and makes us look foolish (at best) and forces us to overpay (at worst).

I'll call you as soon as we have anything viable to discuss.

Best Regards,
Brian Cashman
General Manager and Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations

Fighting Hellfish

MyHandsBound wrote:

I was not impressed with melky this season...he's expendable

I agree that melky is nothing special, but they do need him to play CF. They can't have Damon back out there, his best days are long behind him. If Gardner or someone else is ready for the show, then by all means Melky is expendable

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josevolution wrote:

the yankees have to get santana he cannot end up in boston ....

it's looking like boston in a big way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20607408/

It’s looking like Johan Santana will be suiting up in Boston next season. Word is that the Red Sox will send Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson to Minnesota in order to attain the two-time Cy Young award winner. This leaves the Yankees turning their attentions to Oakland’s Dan Haren...

josevolution

gue_barium wrote:

it's looking like boston in a big way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20607408/

It’s looking like Johan Santana will be suiting up in Boston next season. Word is that the Red Sox will send Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson to Minnesota in order to attain the two-time Cy Young award winner. This leaves the Yankees turning their attentions to Oakland’s Dan Haren...

well if he does end up in BOSTON yankee fans can be assured of no division titles for next season at least ,no way can the yankees staff stack up against ,SCHILLING,DICEK,SANTANA,BECKET, AND who ever else WAKEFIELD no way as of now the only yankee pitcher that could maybe crack that staff would be maybe WANG ......

Fighting Hellfish

gue_barium wrote:

it's looking like boston in a big way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20607408/

It’s looking like Johan Santana will be suiting up in Boston next season. Word is that the Red Sox will send Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson to Minnesota in order to attain the two-time Cy Young award winner. This leaves the Yankees turning their attentions to Oakland’s Dan Haren...

I'm not buying it. Why would the Twins want Coco Crisp? He's expensive AND Not that good.

Fighting Hellfish

josevolution wrote:

well if he does end up in BOSTON yankee fans can be assured of no division titles for next season at least ,no way can the yankees staff stack up against ,SCHILLING,DICEK,SANTANA,BECKET, AND who ever else WAKEFIELD no way as of now the only yankee pitcher that could maybe crack that staff would be maybe WANG ......

You mean like when the Red Sox were guaranteed never winning a divion this decade after the Yankees landed ARod? And C'mon. No Yankee pitcher is better than Old Man Schilling or Older Man Wakefield? Matsuzaka was a bust. let's see if he can manage to pitch an entire MLB season next year. Santana I'll give you would be the best pitcher on both staffs. Beckett is coming off a great year, but let's not forget that the year before he had a 5.02 ERA. And in 2003 and 2004 he was a combined 18-17, missing huge chunks of time due to blisters. I'll take Pettitte, Joba and Wang ove ranyone on the Sox besides Beckett and Santana (If that even happens)

Must feel odd for Red Sox fans as they attempt to buy another championship while the Yankees are content to build from withing, and keep their own players