More talk on Matsui to the SF Giants today. In the NY papers. No complaints out of me as I always thought Matsui was overrated. I'd take Damon in left 10 out of 10 times. Apparently he was asked to waive his no trade to go to SF. Now lets see what we get in return.
Maybe Matsui just wanted to return to a team named the Giants. SF is closer to Japan as well.
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Hawkins made a lot more sense for an NL team. He was just in the AL East in 2006 and finished with a 4.48 ERA and 27 strikeouts in 60 1/3 innings for Baltimore. Last season, he fanned 29 in 55 1/3 innings for the Rockies. In his career, he has ERAs of 6.45 versus Baltimore, 5.79 versus Boston, 4.53 versus Toronto and 4.43 versus Tampa Bay. His best WHIP against any of the four teams is a 1.47 mark.
yeah, he's not that good. I'd rather have seen them work some kids into the mix (Horne, Jackson, Ohlendorf) At least if they stink, they're stink at the league minimum. That said, i really am intrigued to see how Girardi treats his bullpen. If hawkins signed last year, with torre here, he'd have pitched in 100 games.
Alex finalized his deal. And says Boras was the one who told him to opt out because the Yanks did not want him. And he didn't know it would be announced during the world series.
Signing bonus - $10 mil
2008 - $27 mil
2009 - $32 mil
2010 - $32 mil
2011 - $31 mil
2012 - $29 mil
2013 - $28 mil
2014 - $25 mil
2015 - $21 mil
2016 - $20 mil
2017 - $20 mil
Total - $275 mil
Signing Bonus:
Paid as follows: $2 million upon approval by commissioner's office; $1 million each Jan. 15 from 2009-13; and $3 million on Jan. 15, 2014.
Historic Achievement:
A-Rod could receive an additional $6 million each for five milestones that the team designates as historic achievements. They are contemplated to be tying the home run marks of Willie Mays (660), Babe Ruth (714), Hank Aaron (755) and Barry Bonds, and breaking Bonds' major league record.
me? no way. i just like to pass along information, that's all.
hope the yanks enjoy paying a-rod $30mil+ (not including luxury tax) in 2009-2011.
It is actually pretty smart i think. He should be performing at his peak during that time. The way the contract is set up being front loaded would make the possibility of a trade more feasable down the line if AROD decidedes he has had enough of NY
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I love how Boston fans hate him, but if that trade for Manny went thru, they'd all be slobbing his knob
Well, we'd have the guys who finished 1,2, and 4 in the MVP voting this year. You'd have to admit a lineup of Ortiz, A Rod and Ordonez would be freaking scary.
Well, we'd have the guys who finished 1,2, and 4 in the MVP voting this year. You'd have to admit a lineup of Ortiz, A Rod and Ordonez would be freaking scary.
i'd be scared of that. ortiz and ramirez is scary enough.
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so essentially we traded hawkins for vizcaino. vizcaino just signed for two years with the rockies.
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can do. I don't go and say,
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I guess I'd rather have Viz for two years over Hawkins for 1, with the money being essentially the same. I think the only good thing you can say about the Hawkins signing is that it's just for 1 year. I hope some of the AAA kids are ready to step up for a relief role, or else The Yankees are in trouble with Farnsworth and Hawkins. Spring training should be fun. We'll see Horne, Jackson, Ohlendorf and a whole heap of others auditioning for gigs in the bullpen, which we almost never get as Yankee fans
hope the yanks enjoy paying a-rod $30mil+ (not including luxury tax) in 2009-2011.
i'm not entirely sure how it works with new stadiums, but i'm under the impression that the yankees don't have to pay the luxury tax during those years.
if that's true, it would explain the front-loaded contract.
it wouldn't explain the ten years, but that's a different issue...
so essentially we traded hawkins for vizcaino. vizcaino just signed for two years with the rockies.
got a sandwich pick out of it too.
of course, they could have kept darrell rasner on the roster if they hadn't signed hawkins. i'd take rasner over hawkins. i'd certainly take rasner over bruney (who was retained for 2008).
i'm not saying that rasner is a great pitcher, but i expected him to eat a lot of those innings that hughes, kennedy, and joba wouldn't be able to throw.
i'm not entirely sure how it works with new stadiums, but i'm under the impression that the yankees don't have to pay the luxury tax during those years.
if that's true, it would explain the front-loaded contract.
it wouldn't explain the ten years, but that's a different issue...
you're right...i think the yanks are luxury tax exempt in 2009. they'll just pay the extra 40% luxury tax every other year i guess.
actually, the way the deal is structured is actually very smart with the yearly salary on the "cheap" side the last few years.
I love how Boston fans hate him, but if that trade for Manny went thru, they'd all be slobbing his knob
personally, i've never been a big a-rod fan. i appreciate the numbers he puts up in the regular season (oh, snap) but ever since he became a yankee i've just disliked him more and more and more for the way he comes off, arrogance-wise.
in regards to the manny, lester and someone else deal for a-rod (and the subsequent nomar for magglio deal), to be honest, at the time i think i was all for it...but things happen (or don't happen) for a reason and as of today the sox have won 2 world series championships since not making the deal (sort of thanks to the player's union), so everything is great.
"It's up to Minnesota what they want to do and I assume they're still thinking about trading him," Steinbrenner said, according to the paper. "As far as what I'm going to do, I don't know. There's been a couple of brief calls. The door's not closed. I'm still thinking about it."
hank just likes hearing himself talk, doesn't he? i should go down to the bronx in a old timey reporters outfit and say i'm from the "aet message pit gazette" and would like a comment on (insert something here) just to see what he'll say.
"It's up to Minnesota what they want to do and I assume they're still thinking about trading him," Steinbrenner said, according to the paper. "As far as what I'm going to do, I don't know. There's been a couple of brief calls. The door's not closed. I'm still thinking about it."
hank just likes hearing himself talk, doesn't he? i should go down to the bronx in a old timey reporters outfit and say i'm from the "aet message pit gazette" and would like a comment on (insert something here) just to see what he'll say.
you mean like one of those old-school hats with a tag sticking up that says "PRESS" on it? try it out, see what comes of it...
as baseball fans, it's so easy for us to forget that talk rarely leads anywhere. if a trade happens, it happens... like cabrera to detroit or haren to arizona. there were no advanced rumors in either case.
when a rumor surfaces, it usually means that a trade was discussed but nothing came of it (e.g. matsui to the giants or ted williams for joe dimaggio).
and based on the returns for cabrera, haren, and matt garza, i think it's safe to assume that no team has made an offer so far that will even come close to landing them santana.
furthermore, with aaron rowand off the market, melky cabrera becomes even more valuable to the yankees. you need a CF that can cover territory, especially in yankee stadium. having santana on the mound does not make up for an outfield of matsui, damon, and abreu.
"It's up to Minnesota what they want to do and I assume they're still thinking about trading him," Steinbrenner said, according to the paper. "As far as what I'm going to do, I don't know. There's been a couple of brief calls. The door's not closed. I'm still thinking about it."
hank just likes hearing himself talk, doesn't he? i should go down to the bronx in a old timey reporters outfit and say i'm from the "aet message pit gazette" and would like a comment on (insert something here) just to see what he'll say.
he'll probably be like what's your 10 club number and when are they coming to florida again. he'll do that before putting his cigarette out in your face..
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Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
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he'll probably be like what's your 10 club number and when are they coming to florida again. he'll do that before putting his cigarette out in your face..
you mean like one of those old-school hats with a tag sticking up that says "PRESS" on it? try it out, see what comes of it...
as baseball fans, it's so easy for us to forget that talk rarely leads anywhere. if a trade happens, it happens... like cabrera to detroit or haren to arizona. there were no advanced rumors in either case.
when a rumor surfaces, it usually means that a trade was discussed but nothing came of it (e.g. matsui to the giants or ted williams for joe dimaggio).
and based on the returns for cabrera, haren, and matt garza, i think it's safe to assume that no team has made an offer so far that will even come close to landing them santana.
furthermore, with aaron rowand off the market, melky cabrera becomes even more valuable to the yankees. you need a CF that can cover territory, especially in yankee stadium. having santana on the mound does not make up for an outfield of matsui, damon, and abreu.
exactly one of those hats. my jacket will be tweed with the elbow patches and everything.
living in boston i totally understand that 9 times out of 10 it is all talk and no trade.
i can't view the cabrera trade the same way i view a possible santana trade because the tigers also got dontrelle willis who is still arbitration eligible for 2 more years (i think) and cabrera does not become a free agent until after the 2009 season. granted the tigers did give up a lot, but they got two young players that are under their control for another couple seasons.
as for the haren deal, i still don't get that one since haren was signed for cheap for another couple years. i'm not super familiar with the prospects the a's received, but i only think 1 or 2 are considered mid to top level (as opposed to elite).
garza for delmon young looked pretty even to me. the rays have a ton of OF prospects that can fill in, so they were trading away surplus in essence even if it was a player coming off a very good rookie season.
i agree with your reasoning about cabrera's value to the yanks, but then again hank seems to be ruling the bronx these days so actually baseball thought might just get thrown out the window.
of course, they could have kept darrell rasner on the roster if they hadn't signed hawkins. i'd take rasner over hawkins. i'd certainly take rasner over bruney (who was retained for 2008).
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well, that's good. didn't realize Viz qualified for a pick. Signing hawkins didn't cost a pick?
I actually like Bruney. He's got talent. They just got teach him to throw strikes, fra, far too many walks
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Maybe Matsui just wanted to return to a team named the Giants. SF is closer to Japan as well.
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per rotoworld:
Hawkins made a lot more sense for an NL team. He was just in the AL East in 2006 and finished with a 4.48 ERA and 27 strikeouts in 60 1/3 innings for Baltimore. Last season, he fanned 29 in 55 1/3 innings for the Rockies. In his career, he has ERAs of 6.45 versus Baltimore, 5.79 versus Boston, 4.53 versus Toronto and 4.43 versus Tampa Bay. His best WHIP against any of the four teams is a 1.47 mark.
Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open
Signing bonus - $10 mil
2008 - $27 mil
2009 - $32 mil
2010 - $32 mil
2011 - $31 mil
2012 - $29 mil
2013 - $28 mil
2014 - $25 mil
2015 - $21 mil
2016 - $20 mil
2017 - $20 mil
Total - $275 mil
Signing Bonus:
Paid as follows: $2 million upon approval by commissioner's office; $1 million each Jan. 15 from 2009-13; and $3 million on Jan. 15, 2014.
Historic Achievement:
A-Rod could receive an additional $6 million each for five milestones that the team designates as historic achievements. They are contemplated to be tying the home run marks of Willie Mays (660), Babe Ruth (714), Hank Aaron (755) and Barry Bonds, and breaking Bonds' major league record.
me? no way. i just like to pass along information, that's all.
hope the yanks enjoy paying a-rod $30mil+ (not including luxury tax) in 2009-2011.
It is actually pretty smart i think. He should be performing at his peak during that time. The way the contract is set up being front loaded would make the possibility of a trade more feasable down the line if AROD decidedes he has had enough of NY
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I love how Boston fans hate him, but if that trade for Manny went thru, they'd all be slobbing his knob
Well, we'd have the guys who finished 1,2, and 4 in the MVP voting this year. You'd have to admit a lineup of Ortiz, A Rod and Ordonez would be freaking scary.
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i'd be scared of that. ortiz and ramirez is scary enough.
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Yeah, people always forget the 2nd part of that trade was essentially Nomar to the White Sox for Mags.
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
i'm not entirely sure how it works with new stadiums, but i'm under the impression that the yankees don't have to pay the luxury tax during those years.
if that's true, it would explain the front-loaded contract.
it wouldn't explain the ten years, but that's a different issue...
got a sandwich pick out of it too.
of course, they could have kept darrell rasner on the roster if they hadn't signed hawkins. i'd take rasner over hawkins. i'd certainly take rasner over bruney (who was retained for 2008).
i'm not saying that rasner is a great pitcher, but i expected him to eat a lot of those innings that hughes, kennedy, and joba wouldn't be able to throw.
i wouldn't want viz for two years. he has issues with his shoulder.
you're right...i think the yanks are luxury tax exempt in 2009. they'll just pay the extra 40% luxury tax every other year i guess.
actually, the way the deal is structured is actually very smart with the yearly salary on the "cheap" side the last few years.
personally, i've never been a big a-rod fan. i appreciate the numbers he puts up in the regular season (oh, snap) but ever since he became a yankee i've just disliked him more and more and more for the way he comes off, arrogance-wise.
in regards to the manny, lester and someone else deal for a-rod (and the subsequent nomar for magglio deal), to be honest, at the time i think i was all for it...but things happen (or don't happen) for a reason and as of today the sox have won 2 world series championships since not making the deal (sort of thanks to the player's union), so everything is great.
"It's up to Minnesota what they want to do and I assume they're still thinking about trading him," Steinbrenner said, according to the paper. "As far as what I'm going to do, I don't know. There's been a couple of brief calls. The door's not closed. I'm still thinking about it."
hank just likes hearing himself talk, doesn't he? i should go down to the bronx in a old timey reporters outfit and say i'm from the "aet message pit gazette" and would like a comment on (insert something here) just to see what he'll say.
you mean like one of those old-school hats with a tag sticking up that says "PRESS" on it? try it out, see what comes of it...
as baseball fans, it's so easy for us to forget that talk rarely leads anywhere. if a trade happens, it happens... like cabrera to detroit or haren to arizona. there were no advanced rumors in either case.
when a rumor surfaces, it usually means that a trade was discussed but nothing came of it (e.g. matsui to the giants or ted williams for joe dimaggio).
and based on the returns for cabrera, haren, and matt garza, i think it's safe to assume that no team has made an offer so far that will even come close to landing them santana.
furthermore, with aaron rowand off the market, melky cabrera becomes even more valuable to the yankees. you need a CF that can cover territory, especially in yankee stadium. having santana on the mound does not make up for an outfield of matsui, damon, and abreu.
he'll probably be like what's your 10 club number and when are they coming to florida again. he'll do that before putting his cigarette out in your face..
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Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
tim robbins did that to me once...
exactly one of those hats. my jacket will be tweed with the elbow patches and everything.
living in boston i totally understand that 9 times out of 10 it is all talk and no trade.
i can't view the cabrera trade the same way i view a possible santana trade because the tigers also got dontrelle willis who is still arbitration eligible for 2 more years (i think) and cabrera does not become a free agent until after the 2009 season. granted the tigers did give up a lot, but they got two young players that are under their control for another couple seasons.
as for the haren deal, i still don't get that one since haren was signed for cheap for another couple years. i'm not super familiar with the prospects the a's received, but i only think 1 or 2 are considered mid to top level (as opposed to elite).
garza for delmon young looked pretty even to me. the rays have a ton of OF prospects that can fill in, so they were trading away surplus in essence even if it was a player coming off a very good rookie season.
i agree with your reasoning about cabrera's value to the yanks, but then again hank seems to be ruling the bronx these days so actually baseball thought might just get thrown out the window.