more than $100 million for a 4.40 ERA is a bust. he might be better next year, but only if he is conditioned for a MLB season, which he clearly was not in 2007
i'm pretty sure the red sox only paid matsuzaka $6.33mil for 2007 and not "$100 million."
oh yeah, the posting $51.1mil posting fee you're going to come back to me with, yeah, that fee doesn't go to matsuzaka. it was a one time fee to his former team that doesn't count towards the luxury tax. good thing the yanks threw $26mil out the window on that kei igawa posting fee.
i would be willing to bet that now that daisuke went through a whole mlb season, he will be better prepared for 2008. going from pitching once a week with very little travel to once every 5 days with travel to and from the east coast is huge.
i'm pretty sure the red sox only paid matsuzaka $6.33mil for 2007 and not "$100 million."
oh yeah, the posting $51.1mil posting fee you're going to come back to me with, yeah, that fee doesn't go to matsuzaka. it was a one time fee to his former team that doesn't count towards the luxury tax. good thing the yanks threw $26mil out the window on that kei igawa posting fee.
i would be willing to bet that now that daisuke went through a whole mlb season, he will be better prepared for 2008. going from pitching once a week with very little travel to once every 5 days with travel to and from the east coast is huge.
I'm pretty sure the Yankees got that fee back. And whether or not the $51mil went to him or not, Boston still paid that. So last year Boston spend $57mil on a sub-par pitcher.
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
The posting fee has to be counted. For both Igawa and Matsuzaka. It may not count toward the luxury tax, but they wouldn't have gotten him without it. Therefore it cost them $16.8 million to have him pitch for them.
And I call him a bust based more on the hype surrounding him before the season. It was like the Beatles coming over to the states for the first time. This guy has a gyroball! He doesn't ice! he can throw 200 pitches a game! he's gonna win 30 games a year! Based strictly on his numbers he was a decent back of the rotation starter for the first few months.
That and I traded Eric Byrnes to get him. Matsusucka went 7-7 w/ a 4.52 ERA for me. With him as a member of The Globex Corporation, I lost in the World Series. if he was any good, he would have brought home a championship..........
I'm pretty sure the Yankees got that fee back. And whether or not the $51mil went to him or not, Boston still paid that. So last year Boston spend $57mil on a sub-par pitcher.
the yankees most certainly did not get the kei igawa posting fee back.
and that would mean that the yankees spent $30mil to have a guy who was sent to the minors TWICE and only was summoned when rosters expanded.
oh and his stats: 2-3, 6.25 era, 14 games, 12 games started, 37 walks and 53k's AND they have him signed for another 4 years for $16mil which they will probably eat when the dump him on another team next year. awesome sign yankee brain trust.
The posting fee has to be counted. For both Igawa and Matsuzaka. It may not count toward the luxury tax, but they wouldn't have gotten him without it. Therefore it cost them $16.8 million to have him pitch for them.
And I call him a bust based more on the hype surrounding him before the season. It was like the Beatles coming over to the states for the first time. This guy has a gyroball! He doesn't ice! he can throw 200 pitches a game! he's gonna win 30 games a year! Based strictly on his numbers he was a decent back of the rotation starter for the first few months.
count the posting fee all you want. personally, it's a tired subject.
and you can call him a bust all you want, i had semi-realistic goals in mind and he met almost all of them, but next to your boy igawa he looks like cy young.
no argument here. You know what is surprising? Supposedly there are a whole slew of teams interested in him. I think he's awful, but they'd be crazy to give up on him now. Last year he cost $30 mil, and it's $12 for the next 3 years. They need to make him a set up man, and teach him how to throw strikes. That's the best i can hope for, a halfway decent lefty specialist middle reliever.
hey yankee fans like my self can we say 2nd place for the next couple of seasons at least ....people pitching wins trophys not hitting .....we have lost every yr since 2000 why because we lack in pitching not hitting ....
hey yankee fans like my self can we say 2nd place for the next couple of seasons at least ....people pitching wins trophys not hitting .....we have lost every yr since 2000 why because we lack in pitching not hitting ....
PItching is very important and the yankees think they have something special with Hughes, Joba, & Ian. They are very reluctant to give them up because they think Hughes & Joba could anchor a staff for them for the next 10 years and Kennedy coudl be a very good as well.
Check out this from this morning
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 8:30am: The Yankees could've had Santana for Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Jeff Marquez, and Mitch Hilligoss. Brian Cashman, however, never wanted to sacrifice Hughes for Santana and convinced his bosses that the Yankees couldn't afford him now that Andy Pettitte is in the fold. This near-trade won't be forgotten by Yankees fans, unless Hughes takes off in '08.
Cashman has a lot of faith in Hughes. This could cost him his job i would imagine if Hughes turns out to suck. Not directly cost him his job but put him in some serious hot water.
Ive always thought cahsman did fairly well when no one else was interfering with him. For him to stick his neck out there for those kids says something.
Perhaps next year they will be too young or maybe they will excel.
Anyway the news that Santanta trade to boston is dead now is the best news i've heard all day.
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hey yankee fans like my self can we say 2nd place for the next couple of seasons at least ....people pitching wins trophys not hitting .....we have lost every yr since 2000 why because we lack in pitching not hitting ....
As I've said a few times during the Santana sweepstakes: Remember when The yankees got ARod? Everyone was engraving NY Yankees on the World Series Trophies for 2004-2010
Anyway the news that Santanta trade to boston is dead now is the best news i've heard all day.
Word from jon heyman of SI is that now the Mets are in the Mix. Can't offer the quality the Yanks and Sox did, but supposedly they're offereing quantity. 4-5 prospects, no Reyes
Word from jon heyman of SI is that now the Mets are in the Mix. Can't offer the quality the Yanks and Sox did, but supposedly they're offereing quantity. 4-5 prospects, no Reyes
That is cool. I'm okay with santana going anywhere except boston.
great place for baseball trade rumors if anyone is interested and does not know about it is
I finally saw what Johan looked like on television the other day and he is a cutie wootie:)...he would have been a nice addition to the roster but they were trying the rape the team of some good players and that wasn't gonna fly well with me.......
Well, they obviously should have done this before they had to let Phillips go, but Pavano has been released, then re-signed to a minor league contract. This move clears up a space on the 40 man roster. All this according to ESPN Radio in NY
I hope it's true. Matsui is overrated. if they can get some pitching, do it. If Sabean found Elvis drug supply and wants to give up Cain or Lincecum, then do it now.
I hope it's true. Matsui is overrated. if they can get some pitching, do it. If Sabean found Elvis drug supply and wants to give up Cain or Lincecum, then do it now.
I read Noah Lowery is more likely.
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I hope it's true. Matsui is overrated. if they can get some pitching, do it. If Sabean found Elvis drug supply and wants to give up Cain or Lincecum, then do it now.
if the blue jays are offering alex rios for cain or lincecum, why in the world would they want matsui? why would they even trade either of those young pitchers?
sabean is one of the worst gm's though. why even think about trading for a 34 year old outfielder that has little to no speed and is owed $13mil? they should have ponied up for andruw jones at the very least...but i digress.
he would get lit up like a roman candle in the AL. i would have to think the yanks would have to eat some of matsui's salary if they traded him to san fran.
if the blue jays are offering alex rios for cain or lincecum, why in the world would they want matsui? why would they even trade either of those young pitchers?
sabean is one of the worst gm's though. why even think about trading for a 34 year old outfielder that has little to no speed and is owed $13mil? they should have ponied up for andruw jones at the very least...but i digress.
well, that's why I said I hoped Sabean found Elvis drug supply. You'd have to be pretty high to trade either Cain or Lincecum for Matsui. I have hope though, as he is the guy who Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for AJ Pierzynski. Had to be smoking something to make that deal
I hope the Twins and their moneybags owner decide to just hold onto Johan. Just keep him out of Boston. That is #1 on my Christmas Wish List. #2 is for some GM in one of those drug induced comas to take Giambi and Igawa off our hands in exchange for a bucket of balls.
well, that's why I said I hoped Sabean found Elvis drug supply. You'd have to be pretty high to trade either Cain or Lincecum for Matsui. I have hope though, as he is the guy who Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for AJ Pierzynski. Had to be smoking something to make that deal
this is true, but at the time i don't think liriano was considered an elite prospect. wasn't nathan a set-up man with the giants? not trying to rationalize or justify, but it wasn't like he gave up known top prospects and at the time pierzynski was still an above average offensive catcher...or at least that's how i remember it.
you're right. At the time of the trade, there was no outcry of "How could you trade those 3?" It wasn't until Nathan, then Liriano pitched so dominantly. If I remember right, at the time Bonser was considered the jewel of the trade
You heard it here first. Albaladejo will be better than both of them, and he will be the 8th inning guy
I hope you are right. I think they will have enough good arms out there that some of them will emerge and work out. I think the Hawkins thing had to be done. They needed to bring in a veteran and there wasn't much out there to chose from. Supposedly Viz was looking for 3 years. Good luck with that. I am actually starting to wonder who would have been more helpfull to next year's team........Proctor or Betemit. I'm kinda wishing we still had Proctor.
I also read that Phillips is not going to sign a minor league contract, will become a free agent and probably end up somewhere else. I was actually more comfortable with him at 1B last year than anyone (combination of bat and glove).
Supposedly Viz was looking for 3 years. Good luck with that.
I also read that Phillips is not going to sign a minor league contract, will become a free agent and probably end up somewhere else. I was actually more comfortable with him at 1B last year than anyone (combination of bat and glove).
if david riske can get 3 years and scott linebrink can get 4, he can get a 3 year deal.
i thought i read of the weekend that phillips was opting for free agency as well.
I agree about Phillips. I wonder how Proctor would have pitched with Girardi as manager, who wouldn't have abused him as Torre did. I'm sure he's thrilled that Torre's gonna be calling hs name 5 days a week yet again in 2008
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i'm pretty sure the red sox only paid matsuzaka $6.33mil for 2007 and not "$100 million."
oh yeah, the posting $51.1mil posting fee you're going to come back to me with, yeah, that fee doesn't go to matsuzaka. it was a one time fee to his former team that doesn't count towards the luxury tax. good thing the yanks threw $26mil out the window on that kei igawa posting fee.
i would be willing to bet that now that daisuke went through a whole mlb season, he will be better prepared for 2008. going from pitching once a week with very little travel to once every 5 days with travel to and from the east coast is huge.
I'm pretty sure the Yankees got that fee back. And whether or not the $51mil went to him or not, Boston still paid that. So last year Boston spend $57mil on a sub-par pitcher.
And I call him a bust based more on the hype surrounding him before the season. It was like the Beatles coming over to the states for the first time. This guy has a gyroball! He doesn't ice! he can throw 200 pitches a game! he's gonna win 30 games a year! Based strictly on his numbers he was a decent back of the rotation starter for the first few months.
That and I traded Eric Byrnes to get him. Matsusucka went 7-7 w/ a 4.52 ERA for me. With him as a member of The Globex Corporation, I lost in the World Series. if he was any good, he would have brought home a championship..........
the yankees most certainly did not get the kei igawa posting fee back.
and that would mean that the yankees spent $30mil to have a guy who was sent to the minors TWICE and only was summoned when rosters expanded.
oh and his stats: 2-3, 6.25 era, 14 games, 12 games started, 37 walks and 53k's AND they have him signed for another 4 years for $16mil which they will probably eat when the dump him on another team next year. awesome sign yankee brain trust.
count the posting fee all you want. personally, it's a tired subject.
and you can call him a bust all you want, i had semi-realistic goals in mind and he met almost all of them, but next to your boy igawa he looks like cy young.
PItching is very important and the yankees think they have something special with Hughes, Joba, & Ian. They are very reluctant to give them up because they think Hughes & Joba could anchor a staff for them for the next 10 years and Kennedy coudl be a very good as well.
Check out this from this morning
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 8:30am: The Yankees could've had Santana for Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Jeff Marquez, and Mitch Hilligoss. Brian Cashman, however, never wanted to sacrifice Hughes for Santana and convinced his bosses that the Yankees couldn't afford him now that Andy Pettitte is in the fold. This near-trade won't be forgotten by Yankees fans, unless Hughes takes off in '08.
Cashman has a lot of faith in Hughes. This could cost him his job i would imagine if Hughes turns out to suck. Not directly cost him his job but put him in some serious hot water.
Ive always thought cahsman did fairly well when no one else was interfering with him. For him to stick his neck out there for those kids says something.
Perhaps next year they will be too young or maybe they will excel.
Anyway the news that Santanta trade to boston is dead now is the best news i've heard all day.
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As I've said a few times during the Santana sweepstakes: Remember when The yankees got ARod? Everyone was engraving NY Yankees on the World Series Trophies for 2004-2010
Word from jon heyman of SI is that now the Mets are in the Mix. Can't offer the quality the Yanks and Sox did, but supposedly they're offereing quantity. 4-5 prospects, no Reyes
That is cool. I'm okay with santana going anywhere except boston.
great place for baseball trade rumors if anyone is interested and does not know about it is
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
great blog
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Nashville 22
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if the blue jays are offering alex rios for cain or lincecum, why in the world would they want matsui? why would they even trade either of those young pitchers?
sabean is one of the worst gm's though. why even think about trading for a 34 year old outfielder that has little to no speed and is owed $13mil? they should have ponied up for andruw jones at the very least...but i digress.
he would get lit up like a roman candle in the AL. i would have to think the yanks would have to eat some of matsui's salary if they traded him to san fran.
well, that's why I said I hoped Sabean found Elvis drug supply. You'd have to be pretty high to trade either Cain or Lincecum for Matsui. I have hope though, as he is the guy who Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for AJ Pierzynski. Had to be smoking something to make that deal
this is true, but at the time i don't think liriano was considered an elite prospect. wasn't nathan a set-up man with the giants? not trying to rationalize or justify, but it wasn't like he gave up known top prospects and at the time pierzynski was still an above average offensive catcher...or at least that's how i remember it.
It's a 1 year deal which I like. He'll be okay. i'm much more excited about the Albaladejo trade
kyle farnsworth and latroy hawkins are the yanks two set-up men? good luck.
I hope you are right. I think they will have enough good arms out there that some of them will emerge and work out. I think the Hawkins thing had to be done. They needed to bring in a veteran and there wasn't much out there to chose from. Supposedly Viz was looking for 3 years. Good luck with that. I am actually starting to wonder who would have been more helpfull to next year's team........Proctor or Betemit. I'm kinda wishing we still had Proctor.
I also read that Phillips is not going to sign a minor league contract, will become a free agent and probably end up somewhere else. I was actually more comfortable with him at 1B last year than anyone (combination of bat and glove).
if david riske can get 3 years and scott linebrink can get 4, he can get a 3 year deal.
i thought i read of the weekend that phillips was opting for free agency as well.