2007 Yankees

JSBE

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

anytime i hear mri, i expect the worst, especially since clemens is 45. why wouldn't kennedy stay in the rotation if clemens is out? wouldn't the rotation be
wang, pettitte, mussina, hughes and kennedy?

the only reason i question kennedy staying in the rotation is because he was just drafted last year and is already at about 120-130 innings for the year. seeing as how they have strict rules in place for joba, i can't imagine them just tossing them aside for kennedy.

although, i have no idea who the yanks would be able to slide into a rotation spot should clemens be out for a long period of time (other than the next start he is supposed to miss) assuming mussina takes his spot and kennedy was to leave the rotation. i'm just sort of rambling here.

also, i wish fox didn't have a monopoly on saturday baseball games because i wanted to see kennedy pitch.

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Tough Decisions

xavier mcdaniel

JSBE wrote:

the only reason i question kennedy staying in the rotation is because he was just drafted last year and is already at about 120-130 innings for the year. seeing as how they have strict rules in place for joba, i can't imagine them just tossing them aside for kennedy.

although, i have no idea who the yanks would be able to slide into a rotation spot should clemens be out for a long period of time (other than the next start he is supposed to miss) assuming mussina takes his spot and kennedy was to leave the rotation. i'm just sort of rambling here.

also, i wish fox didn't have a monopoly on saturday baseball games because i wanted to see kennedy pitch.

I hadn't heard that about kennedy. I was at the game on saturday and he was tremendously poised after allowing two early runs. He threw 96 pitches but only 30 something in the final four innings.

jimed14

JSBE wrote:

also, i wish fox didn't have a monopoly on saturday baseball games because i wanted to see kennedy pitch.

This could be one of the most un-fan-friendly things that has ever existed ... even if you pay for the MLB Extra innings package, you get shut out.

So, many teams have gone to Saturday night games so they can broadcast them, which, isn't as family friendly.

all hail, the all mighty dollar ...


RE: Clemens ... Not that the Yanks are cash strapped, but ... isn't Clemens getting paid by the start? Do they see where they are in 10 days when his next start is now scheduled, and if for some reason they are like 4 or so games behind the Mariners, do they tell Clem to call it a year?

BetterManningNYG

JSBE wrote:

the only reason i question kennedy staying in the rotation is because he was just drafted last year and is already at about 120-130 innings for the year. seeing as how they have strict rules in place for joba, i can't imagine them just tossing them aside for kennedy.

although, i have no idea who the yanks would be able to slide into a rotation spot should clemens be out for a long period of time (other than the next start he is supposed to miss) assuming mussina takes his spot and kennedy was to leave the rotation. i'm just sort of rambling here.

also, i wish fox didn't have a monopoly on saturday baseball games because i wanted to see kennedy pitch.

kennedy's innings cap is around 170. joba's is 130. i'm not really sure why kennedy is allowed to throw 40 more innings than joba, but that's the way it is. he should be good for two or three more starts. as a september call up, he wouldn't be eligible for the postseason roster anyway.

kennedy was very impressive on saturday, even if he was overshadowed by buchholz. he seemed nervous early (especially after an a-rod error cost him two runs and 18 pitches), but he settled down quickly and looked fairly dominant at times. he throws a low-90s fastball with a ton of movement on it. his other pitches look like they project well.

of the "big three" rookies, the only one i'm worried about is hughes. he still hasn't regained his velocity or command since coming off the DL. his curve, change, and slider have less movement than before.

i have to believe that he'll straighten himself out in '08. realistically, you can't take a kid who just turned 21, pull him off the DL after three months, and immediately expect him to play a key role in a playoff race. but i'd still like to see his stuff improve before he starts to lose confidence.

xavier mcdaniel

BetterManningNYG wrote:

kennedy's innings cap is around 170. joba's is 130. i'm not really sure why kennedy is allowed to throw 40 more innings than joba, but that's the way it is. he should be good for two or three more starts. as a september call up, he wouldn't be eligible for the postseason roster anyway.

kennedy was very impressive on saturday, even if he was overshadowed by buchholz. he seemed nervous early (especially after an a-rod error cost him two runs and 18 pitches), but he settled down quickly and looked fairly dominant at times. he throws a low-90s fastball with a ton of movement on it. his other pitches look like they project well.

of the "big three" rookies, the only one i'm worried about is hughes. he still hasn't regained his velocity or command since coming off the DL. his curve, change, and slider have less movement than before.

i have to believe that he'll straighten himself out in '08. realistically, you can't take a kid who just turned 21, pull him off the DL after three months, and immediately expect him to play a key role in a playoff race. but i'd still like to see his stuff improve before he starts to lose confidence.

I agree with you on hughes partially. I have complete confidence that he will be good in 2008. I see him next year going something like 8-6 in the first half as he makes his way around the league the first time and then something like 8-4 or 9-3 after the break. I think a full throwing program in the offseason will be the best cure for his healing from a hamstring injury.

igotid88

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

I agree with you on hughes partially. I have complete confidence that he will be good in 2008. I see him next year going something like 8-6 in the first half as he makes his way around the league the first time and then something like 8-4 or 9-3 after the break. I think a full throwing program in the offseason will be the best cure for his healing from a hamstring injury.

yea i hope i get backs to 95mph. you see in his starts it's just a few bad pitches. Keeps throwing to many balls out of the strike zone. like it's not coming out of his hands right.

JSBE

BetterManningNYG wrote:

kennedy's innings cap is around 170. joba's is 130. i'm not really sure why kennedy is allowed to throw 40 more innings than joba, but that's the way it is. he should be good for two or three more starts. as a september call up, he wouldn't be eligible for the postseason roster anyway.

kennedy was very impressive on saturday, even if he was overshadowed by buchholz. he seemed nervous early (especially after an a-rod error cost him two runs and 18 pitches), but he settled down quickly and looked fairly dominant at times. he throws a low-90s fastball with a ton of movement on it. his other pitches look like they project well.

of the "big three" rookies, the only one i'm worried about is hughes. he still hasn't regained his velocity or command since coming off the DL. his curve, change, and slider have less movement than before.

i have to believe that he'll straighten himself out in '08. realistically, you can't take a kid who just turned 21, pull him off the DL after three months, and immediately expect him to play a key role in a playoff race. but i'd still like to see his stuff improve before he starts to lose confidence.

i don't understand why kennedy gets 170 and joba gets 130, unless the yanks brass is taking into effect that joba is throwing his major league innings in relief where he's basically just gassing it out at 95+ for an inning with his slider tossed in. that's the only thing i can think of.

i have no basis for any judgement on kennedy as i didn't see him pitch live (thanks fox) or even on highlights.

hughes should straighten himself out in '08. he'll obviously have the 'rookie' learning curve once more teams see him live and on tape. he was dominant against the rangers when he got hurt and i watched most of the game he pitched against the indians in cleveland. the indians hitters just looked like they had no clue between his fastball and his curve.

it will be interesting in the next couple years to see the yanks with wang, hughes, kennedy and most likely joba in the starting rotation and the sox with beckett, daisuke, lester and buchholz.

JSBE

jimed14 wrote:

This could be one of the most un-fan-friendly things that has ever existed ... even if you pay for the MLB Extra innings package, you get shut out.

So, many teams have gone to Saturday night games so they can broadcast them, which, isn't as family friendly.

all hail, the all mighty dollar ...


RE: Clemens ... Not that the Yanks are cash strapped, but ... isn't Clemens getting paid by the start? Do they see where they are in 10 days when his next start is now scheduled, and if for some reason they are like 4 or so games behind the Mariners, do they tell Clem to call it a year?

and the 3:55 est start time make ZERO sense to me. i hate it to be perfectly honest. at least you can still watch the 7pm est games even when the fox game runs late.

as for clemens, i'm pretty sure he is paid per start - although i'm not sure and i really, really doubt roger will just hang it up when there money left on the table...although i'm guessing your question was rhetorical.

BetterManningNYG

jimed14 wrote:

This could be one of the most un-fan-friendly things that has ever existed ... even if you pay for the MLB Extra innings package, you get shut out.

So, many teams have gone to Saturday night games so they can broadcast them, which, isn't as family friendly.

all hail, the all mighty dollar ...


RE: Clemens ... Not that the Yanks are cash strapped, but ... isn't Clemens getting paid by the start? Do they see where they are in 10 days when his next start is now scheduled, and if for some reason they are like 4 or so games behind the Mariners, do they tell Clem to call it a year?

it's always something. when i was in college, i didn't get YES network in my dorm (even though i was in NYC). but because i was in NYC, the local games were blacked out on both ESPN and MLB.TV.

but a friend of mine ordered MLB.TV to watch the red sox (he was one of your own), and we found that the yankees' opening day game was in fact available. so i immediately ordered the package myself, only to find out that the yankee game had been broadcast by mistake. there would be no more to follow, and they wouldn't give me a refund either. :mad:

and, of course, the reason why the yankees and tigers had to play at 11 PM last week was because FOX (saturday) and ESPN (sunday) wouldn't allow the doubleheader game to be broadcast on either day. ridiculous.

and don't even get me started on joe buck and tim mccarver. :rolleyes:

regarding clemens, i'm pretty sure he still gets paid if he's injured (and this one looks kinda serious... there are no minor elbow injuries). they saved about a million dollars during his suspension though.

xavier mcdaniel

BetterManningNYG wrote:

it's always something. when i was in college, i didn't get YES network in my dorm (even though i was in NYC). but because i was in NYC, the local games were blacked out on both ESPN and MLB.TV.

but a friend of mine ordered MLB.TV to watch the red sox (he was one of your own), and we found that the yankees' opening day game was in fact available. so i immediately ordered the package myself, only to find out that the yankee game had been broadcast by mistake. there would be no more to follow, and they wouldn't give me a refund either. :mad:

and, of course, the reason why the yankees and tigers had to play at 11 PM last week was because FOX (saturday) and ESPN (sunday) wouldn't allow the doubleheader game to be broadcast on either day. ridiculous.

and don't even get me started on joe buck and tim mccarver. :rolleyes:

regarding clemens, i'm pretty sure he still gets paid if he's injured (and this one looks kinda serious... there are no minor elbow injuries). they saved about a million dollars during his suspension though.

interleague play is also a culprit. because of those games, the yankees only make one visit to many non AL East cities like Detroit. This year, they made or will make two visits to Chicago and Kansas City. and there was no way, they'd have played two on getaway day.

BetterManningNYG

JSBE wrote:

i don't understand why kennedy gets 170 and joba gets 130, unless the yanks brass is taking into effect that joba is throwing his major league innings in relief where he's basically just gassing it out at 95+ for an inning with his slider tossed in. that's the only thing i can think of.

that's an important aspect, although i believe the innings caps were determined before joba became a RP.

other than that, i have no idea. kennedy is a year older than joba, and maybe he threw more innings last year (but i don't really know off the top of my head). that's all i can think of.

JSBE wrote:

it will be interesting in the next couple years to see the yanks with wang, hughes, kennedy and most likely joba in the starting rotation and the sox with beckett, daisuke, lester and buchholz.

yeah, and both organizations still have plenty of prospects to fill out the fifth spot. scary...

NCBRI

Apparently Clemens started having problems with the elbow the other day against Boston. Mussina was ready as emergency starter today just in case he couldn't go:

Yanks had already planned on giving Kennedy at least one more start even before the Clemens situation popped up. There are going to be an entirely different set of rules for Kennedy than Joba. Joba was switched to the bullpen 2/3 of the way through the season. Pitching every 5 days is different than being ready to go 3 or 4 times a week.

Tomorrow's starters: Chien-Ming Wang (16-6, 3.79 ERA) vs. Horacio Ramirez (8-4, 6.55 ERA).


Up 1 Game in the Wild Card Race (even in the Loss column)

igotid88

NCBRI wrote:

Apparently Clemens started having problems with the elbow the other day against Boston. Mussina was ready as emergency starter today just in case he couldn't go:

Yanks had already planned on giving Kennedy at least one more start even before the Clemens situation popped up. There are going to be an entirely different set of rules for Kennedy than Joba. Joba was switched to the bullpen 2/3 of the way through the season. Pitching every 5 days is different than being ready to go 3 or 4 times a week.

Tomorrow's starters: Chien-Ming Wang (16-6, 3.79 ERA) vs. Horacio Ramirez (8-4, 6.55 ERA).


Up 1 Game in the Wild Card Race (even in the Loss column)

i'm always afraid when the yanks play someone with a high e.r.a. i hope their bats come alive tomorrow and wednesday.

Poncier

jimed14 wrote:

RE: Clemens ... Not that the Yanks are cash strapped, but ... isn't Clemens getting paid by the start? Do they see where they are in 10 days when his next start is now scheduled, and if for some reason they are like 4 or so games behind the Mariners, do they tell Clem to call it a year?

No, Clemens signed a 1 year, $28Million deal, prorated for the amount of time he was on the roster. So its not per start, he started getting paid the day he was put on the ML roster, injury prior to that would have saved the Yanks money, injury now and he gets paid the rest of the way.

form wikipedia:

Clemens agreed to a pro-rated one year deal worth $28,000,022 or about $4.5 million per month between June and September. The contract includes a no-trade clause

They'll end up paying him somewhere around $18 million for his 6 wins.

mulva9

Kennedy has a higher innings cap because he threw more innings in college and pitched for USA baseball and winter leagues I believe.

Champagne Breakfast

Damn...what a flat past 4 games...
I don't get it. A killer "high" boston series then they look dead as could be against the last place d-rays and m's. Can't do that in Sept when you're trying to get in. The hitting has been disgusting. Damon, Giambi, Jeter at times, Matsui. Get the F with it!!!

A-Rod sometimes looks like the only guy who truly wants to win and plays hard. Never thought I'd say it. Even when they were down 5-1 yesterday A-rod was screaming, fist pumping, fired up and making plays.

NCBRI

This is from the NY Post last week for anyone who missed it: YANKS’ TOP PICK TO HAVE SURGERY

Latest on Clemens: cortisone shot tomorrow then wait and see............interesting how a blister on his foot is what he is blaming for the cause of his elbow problem


Big one tonight. Recipe for victory: 7 good innings from Wang and a flawless 8th and 9th from Joba and Mo. That's what I'm hoping for at least.

Allie

NICE play by Matsui/Jorgie
and nice double play!

Woo hoo.

Boston's up 4-0 in the 4th

igotid88

Squirrel's back.