2007 Yankees

moeaholic

Bathgate66 wrote:

2 out, bottom of the 9th , bases jammed

the scenario is set , walk off ,...

and what a shot

Alex hits it into the black - about 415 feet , and the stadium erupts for the 10-7 win .

down 7-3 at one point, this was a huge win ,so at least today he's not booed by the Fans .


Lets Go Yankees

fuck the boo-birds. they were probably pissed that he won the game so they couldn't turn to the person next to them and say "see, he sucks."

pjscreamer

In John Sterlings voice "IT'S An A BOMB BY A-ROD DA YANKEES WIN DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YANKEES WIN"

Allie

How do you like them apples?

That was some shot. I was happy for him for a minute.

Eh, let's see if he can pull it off in September though!

And the Metsies lost in ATL! Delgado seems to have forgotten how to catch a ball at 1st base. Oops.

igotid88

Bathgate66 wrote:

2 out, bottom of the 9th , bases jammed

the scenario is set , walk off ,...

and what a shot

Alex hits it into the black - about 415 feet , and the stadium erupts for the 10-7 win .

down 7-3 at one point, this was a huge win ,so at least today he's not booed by the Fans .


Lets Go Yankees

He has won both games for them so far this season.

igotid88

Allie02 wrote:

How do you like them apples?

That was some shot. I was happy for him for a minute.

Eh, let's see if he can pull it off in September though!

And the Metsies lost in ATL! Delgado seems to have forgotten how to catch a ball at 1st base. Oops.

You mean October. And it's not like he's never hit in the playoffs. Recently he hasn't. But he was a good hitter in the post season prior to game 4 of the yanks/Rsox series of '04.

AstroFan

igotid88 wrote:

You mean October.

Ouch, Allie, forgetting what month the playoffs are wasn't very clutch

Allie

AstroFan wrote:

Ouch, Allie, forgetting what month the playoffs are wasn't very clutch

AstroFan? What's up with highjacking the Yankees thread? Go start your own thread, man ..and don't go bragging on Roy Oswalt over here either...UGH ...

I didn't forget, I was just remembering, I think the baseball season used to end earlier in September, didn't it? My bad

I know when the playoffs are, no worries
I watch every game and I yell at my TV set

Allie

igotid88 wrote:

You mean October. And it's not like he's never hit in the playoffs. Recently he hasn't. But he was a good hitter in the post season prior to game 4 of the yanks/Rsox series of '04.

Yeah and look what happened after that! UGH, don't bring that up man..


I don't care what he did 3 yrs ago, all I know is he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last year and we lost to Detroit and it was nauseating. I mean that's not the only reason why we lost, but it didn't help the matter. He even said he stunk up the joint.

Being clutch in April and being clutch in OCTOBER (my bad about that) are 2 different things. Plus I just don't like him.
You know what music played when he came up to bat at the stadium? "This is Why I'm Hot"

That's just conceited.

AstroFan

Allie02 wrote:

Yeah and look what happened after that! UGH, don't bring that up man..


I don't care what he did 3 yrs ago, all I know is he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last year and we lost to Detroit and it was nauseating. I mean that's not the only reason why we lost, but it didn't help the matter. He even said he stunk up the joint.

Being clutch in April and being clutch in OCTOBER (my bad about that) are 2 different things.

It's hard to form an opinion on a player by a handful of at-bats(he only had 14 AB vs Detroit).

But if you're willing to look at something he's done for the Yankees, even if it's from 2004, try this game log from the deciding game of the 2004 divisional series:

YANKEES 11TH: Jeter was called out on strikes; Rodriguez doubled
to left; Rodriguez stole third; Lohse threw a wild pitch
[Rodriguez scored]; Sheffield popped to second; Matsui struck
out; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 6, Twins 5.

A-Rod singlehandedly scores the game winning run, while Jeter and Matsui strikes out.

---

Now here's some career lines, both in the playoffs, and in regular season situations. One of them is the 'choker', the other is Captain Clutch. In a couple instances they have a nearly identical OPS. In the rest, Player A is significantly better than Player B.

Playoffs:

.280/.362/.485/.847
.314/.384/.479/.863

Runners On:

.311/.393/.581/.974
.320/.400/.444/.844

RISP:

.303/.398/.550/.948
.307/.404/.432/.836

RISP w/2 Outs:

.270/.394/.462/.856
.307/.412/.438/.851

Bases Loaded:

.336/.403/.678/1.082
.352/.414/.440/.854



And here are their career lines in the regular season:

.305/.386/.573/.959
.317/.388/.463/.851

---

You can take a guess who Player A is.

Hint: He's the best player on the 2007 New York Yankees, and he started his career in Seattle at SS.

Allie

AstroFan wrote:

It's hard to form an opinion on a player by a handful of at-bats(he only had 14 AB vs Detroit).

But if you're willing to look at something he's done for the Yankees, even if it's from 2004, try this game log from the deciding game of the 2004 divisional series:

YANKEES 11TH: Jeter was called out on strikes; Rodriguez doubled
to left; Rodriguez stole third; Lohse threw a wild pitch
[Rodriguez scored]; Sheffield popped to second; Matsui struck
out; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 6, Twins 5.

A-Rod singlehandedly scores the game winning run, while Jeter and Matsui strikes out.

---

Now here's some career lines, both in the playoffs, and in regular season situations. One of them is the 'choker', the other is Captain Clutch. In a couple instances they have a nearly identical OPS. In the rest, Player A is significantly better than Player B.

Playoffs:

.280/.362/.485/.847
.314/.384/.479/.863

Runners On:

.311/.393/.581/.974
.320/.400/.444/.844

RISP:

.303/.398/.550/.948
.307/.404/.432/.836

RISP w/2 Outs:

.270/.394/.462/.856
.307/.412/.438/.851

Bases Loaded:

.336/.403/.678/1.082
.352/.414/.440/.854



And here are their career lines in the regular season:

.305/.386/.573/.959
.317/.388/.463/.851

---

You can take a guess who Player A is.

Hint: He's the best player on the 2007 New York Yankees, and he started his career in Seattle at SS.

#1, Ok, looky here ASTRO fan.

Allie

AstroFan wrote:

It's hard to form an opinion on a player by a handful of at-bats(he only had 14 AB vs Detroit).

But if you're willing to look at something he's done for the Yankees, even if it's from 2004, try this game log from the deciding game of the 2004 divisional series:

YANKEES 11TH: Jeter was called out on strikes; Rodriguez doubled
to left; Rodriguez stole third; Lohse threw a wild pitch
[Rodriguez scored]; Sheffield popped to second; Matsui struck
out; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 6, Twins 5.

A-Rod singlehandedly scores the game winning run, while Jeter and Matsui strikes out.

---

Now here's some career lines, both in the playoffs, and in regular season situations. One of them is the 'choker', the other is Captain Clutch. In a couple instances they have a nearly identical OPS. In the rest, Player A is significantly better than Player B.

Playoffs:

.280/.362/.485/.847
.314/.384/.479/.863

Runners On:

.311/.393/.581/.974
.320/.400/.444/.844

RISP:

.303/.398/.550/.948
.307/.404/.432/.836

RISP w/2 Outs:

.270/.394/.462/.856
.307/.412/.438/.851

Bases Loaded:

.336/.403/.678/1.082
.352/.414/.440/.854



And here are their career lines in the regular season:

.305/.386/.573/.959
.317/.388/.463/.851

---

You can take a guess who Player A is.

Hint: He's the best player on the 2007 New York Yankees, and he started his career in Seattle at SS.

#1, Ok, looky here ASTRO fan. This is NY, and this is how we do, if you don't win in the playoffs, it doesn't mean jack.
I watched or I saw the highlights of every freaking Yankee games, every season that he's been on the team. Have you? That is where I form my opinion.

#2, You wanna talk history? Ok, let's go back to 2001. And I don't need to look that s--t up.

Who was Mr November for his clutch playing and HR's in 2001?
Who made the famous flip play?

Who was not only the All Star MVP in 2000 but the World Series MVP? Um, yeah, I think it was Derek Jeter.

Also, Who DOVE into the stands to catch a ball against the Red Sox in July 2004, cutting his face in the process? Who puts his heart and soul into everything he does and the Yankees fans love him for it, and he never once whines about "nobody likes me, boo hoo"

#3 Who is the Captain of the team? It's not A-Rod, is it?

#4 In 2004, you're talking about ONE game winning run, and you see fit to quote the stats? Gimme a break. Where did you get that from?
Here's A-Rod's line from 2006, the ALDS vs Detroit:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG SB CS SH SF
2006 ALDS NYY DET L 4 14 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .071 .071 .071 0 0

What did he hit? Um, yeah, .071. 1 for 14.

Real freaking clutch. Puh leeze. Again, we're all about what have you done lately. What has he done lately. Um, nothing. Oh he hit a grand slam in April? Nice, but it doesn't win a championship.

#5, And how many World Series rings does A-Rod have? How many does DJ have? That's the bottom line and that's all there is to it

AstroFan

Allie02 wrote:

#1, Ok, looky here ASTRO fan. This is NY, and this is how we do, if you don't win in the playoffs, it doesn't mean jack, understand this and get out of the NYY thread.
I watched or I saw the highlights of every freaking Yankee games, every season that he's been on the team. Have you? That is where I form my opinion.

#2, You wanna talk history? Ok, let's go back to 2001. And I don't need to look that s--t up.

Who was Mr November for his clutch playing and HR's in 2001?
Who made the famous flip play?

Who was not only the All Star MVP in 2000 but the World Series MVP? Um, yeah, I think it was Derek Jeter.

Also, Who DOVE into the stands to catch a ball against the Red Sox in July 2004, cutting his face in the process? Who puts his heart and soul into everything he does and the Yankees fans love him for it, and he never once whines about "nobody likes me, boo hoo"

#3 Who is the Captain of the team? It's not A-Rod, is it?

#4 In 2004, you're talking about ONE game winning run, and you see fit to quote the stats? Gimme a break. Where did you get that from?
Here's A-Rod's line from 2006, the ALDS vs Detroit:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG SB CS SH SF
2006 ALDS NYY DET L 4 14 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .071 .071 .071 0 0

What did he hit? Um, yeah, .071. 1 for 14.

Real freaking clutch. Puh leeze. Again, we're all about what have you done lately. What has he done lately. Um, nothing. Oh he hit a grand slam in April? Nice, but it doesn't win a championship.

#5, And how many World Series rings does A-Rod have? How many does DJ have? That's the bottom line and that's all there is to it.

Please leave the thread now. Thank you.

1. I may be an Astro fan, but I love the sport of baseball and enjoy discussing it. I don't think I've even talked trash about the Yankees, and infact have supported a Yankee player in this thread.

2. Yes, Jeter has had an impressive career, and has been a very good player. I don't question that, I'm just saying Alex Rodriguez is better.

Jeter can make some great plays that are shown on Sportscenter, but he also makes easy plays look hard.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/what-is-zone-rating/

Comment on Jeter's zone rating:
"Derek Jeter looks a little below average at first, but he’s even worse than that. Jeter has very limited range. Only Bartlett made fewer plays outside the zone, but Jeter played almost 50% more innings than Bartlett."

Jeters career Range Factor: 4.08. Below league average.

Jeters Fielding Rate(from Baseball Prospectus): 93. Below league average

3. It's a nice honor, but doesn't have much to do with the discussion. Jason Varitek is the captain of the Red Sox, but Manny Ramirez is a better player.

4. I posted it to show that he has not done poorly in the postseason during his entire tenure in New York. I thought it was worth bringing up, because some people act as if he has never done anything in October.

His line against the Twins in that series was .421/.476/.737(19 AB)
His line against the Red Sox in the ALCS was .258/.378/.516(31 AB)

Jeter against the Twins: .316/.350/.526(19 AB)
Jeter against the Red Sox: .200/.333/.233(30 AB)

BTW, I got the game log from retrosheet.

Now, looking at his last 14 postseason AB and judging him on that may be how some people do it, but it doesn't mean it's right or makes sense.

I acknowledge that A-Rod has done very poorly in the last couple series'. I'm not saying that he has outperformed Jeter in the last couple playoff series', and I'll say again that he has really struggled in that time. But, I am pointing out that they have very similar career playoff lines. While the numbers say they have been about equal in their overall postseason performance, Jeter has a perception of being gold in the postseason, and A-Rod has the perception of being useless.

I did the Jeter comparison to show that A-Rod isn't as bad as people perceive. It would be unfortunate if people miss out on the joy of watching a great player just because the media and knee-jerk fans bash him everytime he smiles the wrong way.

5. I was talking about individual players. I concede that Derek Jeter has been on better teams.

NCBRI

Great, now Godzilla is the newest Yank to hit the DL.
Though the starters haven't exactly gotten off to a rousing start, its too early to walk the ledge. Torre's post game comments may have been BS to keep the kid's confidence up, but he said Rasner had a blister on his index finger and felt that was why he was having trouble finishing pitches today. Of course he also said the obvious that things can't continue this way. The starters have to give him 6 innings or the bullpen will be worn out.
Guess its time for our hero Pavano to come in and save the day with a CG.

BetterManningNYG

NCBRI wrote:

Great, now Godzilla is the newest Yank to hit the DL.
Though the starters haven't exactly gotten off to a rousing start, its too early to walk the ledge. Torre's post game comments may have been BS to keep the kid's confidence up, but he said Rasner had a blister on his index finger and felt that was why he was having trouble finishing pitches today. Of course he also said the obvious that things can't continue this way. The starters have to give him 6 innings or the bullpen will be worn out.
Guess its time for our hero Pavano to come in and save the day with a CG.

yeah, he did have a blister on his index finger. it looked like it was causing him pain with every pitch he threw. torre probably would have taken him out sooner if there was anyone left in the bullpen who wasn't completely worn out.

that's bad news about matsui.... as if this team didn't have enough problems already.

they called up kevin thompson to replace him.

NCBRI

No Johan for the Yanks v. Twins series. At least there is some good news for the Bombers. As bad as the defense has been so far, I have visions of balls getting lost in the sky at the Metrodome. Hope I'm wrong.

Bathgate66

with the alman brothers at The Beacon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcV9zccABg

Allie

AstroFan wrote:

1. I may be an Astro fan, but I love the sport of baseball and enjoy discussing it.

Now, looking at his last 14 postseason AB and judging him on that may be how some people do it, but it doesn't mean it's right or makes sense.

I did the Jeter comparison to show that A-Rod isn't as bad as people perceive. It would be unfortunate if people miss out on the joy of watching a great player just because the media and knee-jerk fans bash him everytime he smiles the wrong way.

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I don't understand how you have that much time or inclination to post baseball stats like that! Gosh.

I love the sport as a whole as well

You don't live in NY and follow the Yankees daily 'soap opera.' For me, I don't just look at #'s, I know A-Rod was an MVP and all his batting avg, HR's, etc. What did he win, 3 MVP's? I forget..but when Derek was in the running last year, he said something to the effect of "yeah, that will be great if Derek wins his FIRST (MVP)" ie-yeah that's nice but I have more of those awards than he does...

He's like a little boy always looking for approval, I think it's gross...

He has self esteem issues and he just talks out of his ass, like Derek is his hero big brother and he's the little kid brother or something.

It's ingratiating..

like he said that whether or not he renews his contract essentially depends on how the fans react to him this season..

I just really don't care for him, he comes off as such a whiner crybaby. Derek just goes about his business, he's all professional, all business 24/7.

And I never thought it was necessary to acquire A-Rod in the 1st place. He is a solid player, sure, but we had a short stop and we needed pitching more than we needed a 3rd baseman.

And again, I think it makes sense to judge his last postseason AB's b/c that's how we look at things--we didn't win last year, and he didn't really do anything to contribute, and we remember post season heroics. He hasn't done anything super spectacular or heroic in NY in the post season yet.

Allie

Bathgate66 wrote:

with the alman brothers at The Beacon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcV9zccABg

That's what he's doing in his retirement? Good grief, somebody call Cashman and tell him to get Bernie suited up!

Fun clip though, thanks. I think they had it on the news on Channel 4 too...

NCBRI

Sidney Ponson? Im starting to feel really good about this series against the Twins.

Allie

NCBRI wrote:

Sidney Ponson? Im starting to feel really good about this series against the Twins.

LOL, I was thinking the same thing, we're already up 1-0. They're teeing off him like it's batting practice.