the official JULY 1ST 2008 NHL FREE AGENT THREAD!!

NY PJ1

if they do get sundin it will be for 4 or 5 mill with bonuses added

( i dont agree with this ) but im not in charge

Rygar

NY PJ1 wrote:

if they do get sundin it will be for 4 or 5 mill with bonuses added

( i dont agree with this ) but im not in charge

If they (or anyone else) get Sundin it's going to be in the area of 7.

Wait, you don't agree with 4 million for Mats Sundin, but 4.5 for Sean Avery is good value??

chromiam

Rygar wrote:

I dislike Umberger a lot, so it's easy to tell you that he was overachieving and you don't need him

I'd agree that he overachieved in the playoffs but he was also a solid player who could play all 4 lines and either wing and center. So he was versatile but not worth the type of money I bet he'll end up getting.

Do the Rangers need to bring a big name player in every year in order to sell tickets??? $4-5 mil is steep for a player who probably has a couple of years left at the most, but with the talent in NY, he could be a nice addition.

Rygar

chromiam wrote:

I'd agree that he overachieved in the playoffs but he was also a solid player who could play all 4 lines and either wing and center. So he was versatile but not worth the type of money I bet he'll end up getting.

Do the Rangers need to bring a big name player in every year in order to sell tickets??? $4-5 mil is steep for a player who probably has a couple of years left at the most, but with the talent in NY, he could be a nice addition.

Gary Roberts is 42 and looking to play next year.
Chelios?

Mats Sundin might be 37 but he still plays at a high level. Expect a ~7 million deal.

NY PJ1

Rygar wrote:

If they (or anyone else) get Sundin it's going to be in the area of 7.

Wait, you don't agree with 4 million for Mats Sundin, but 4.5 for Sean Avery is good value??

yea but 4-5 towards the cap and the rest in performance bonuses like jagr

avery is gone so im done talking about him

NY PJ1

my problem with sundin is he takes drury's center spot thus moving him back to the wing

but the man can still play

Rygar

NY PJ1 wrote:

yea but 4-5 towards the cap and the rest in performance bonuses like jagr

avery is gone so im done talking about him

I didn't know they could get around the cap like that.

NY PJ1

Rygar wrote:

I didn't know they could get around the cap like that.

sure ,,any team can

give a player x amount and whatever else he gets when he reaches certain numbers or games played

thus the cap doesnt get hit as hard

so if we can give sundin 4 million on the cap..its a steal

chromiam

Rygar wrote:

I didn't know they could get around the cap like that.

you can only do it with veteran players (over a certain number of years in the league) and you can only pay them in bonus a certain percentage over the cap. If you go over that percentage, the difference is taken directly from the cap the following season.

Rygar

NY PJ1 wrote:

sure ,,any team can

give a player x amount and whatever else he gets when he reaches certain numbers or games played

thus the cap doesnt get hit as hard

so if we can give sundin 4 million on the cap..its a steal

You want a good laugh go to the Leafs' board and read what they think they'll get in return for Sundin's....rights....

Rygar

chromiam wrote:

you can only do it with veteran players (over a certain number of years in the league) and you can only pay them in bonus a certain percentage over the cap. If you go over that percentage, the difference is taken directly from the cap the following season.

Ah, gotcha. Quirky.

chromiam

Rygar wrote:

Ah, gotcha. Quirky.

yeah a bit... and its not if you go over the percentage (7.5%), its if by paying out those bonuses you go over the cap, then it is taken from next year's cap.

Rygar

chromiam wrote:

yeah a bit... and its not if you go over the percentage (7.5%), its if by paying out those bonuses you go over the cap, then it is taken from next year's cap.

So you'd basically have to sign someone with the hope that they don't achieve their bonus conditions..

Rygar

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241542&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl
Kyle Wellwood and Andrew Raycroft on waivers.
I thought Wellwood was one of their young 'stars'? Too many injuries for grampa Fletcher I guess.

NY PJ1

The Leafs have placed Wellwood and Raycroft on Waivers...Raycroft, OK...but WELLWOOD? How curious is this move...Wellwood, in my opinion is a future top 6 guy and you are telling me that they couldn't trade him for ANYTHING??? There is obviously more to this story that we don't know than we do..One thing I do know...The Canucks have interest in Wellwood, and that is where I predict he will end up. Really baffled by this move.

Sundin.

A source tells me that there will be serious pressure on Mats Sundin to drag this process out as long as possible. The NHLPA view Mats as the benchmark guy and to that end wants him to sign as late as possible in the process. maybe even after July 1. If that is the case, the Leafs fans wont be too happy. All thoughts of Higgins for Sundins rights I am told are moot. One source of mine is convinced that Sundin won't be a Hab at all , but instead skate for the NY Rangers.

Gaborik
to Buffalo (e3) Hold your hats Sabres fans. According to three sources the Wild are shopping Gaborik and the Sabres are offring up the best package out there.

Hossa
The Canucks are very much in this one as well, but a new team that is making lots of waives here...The Edmonton Oilers. The Oilers are a hell of a fast team and some players have told me that they may be the quickest team in hockey... Hossa would be a great fit and may enjoy the offense that the Oilers like to play

Emery to Tampa (e3)
I continue to be told that now that Melrose is the guy in Tampa look out for alot of changes and the first may be a new start for Emery. I would love this move if Tampa could pull it off.

Marleau to Carolina (e3), Boston (e3), Nashville (e2) or NJ (e2),
Patrick Marleau will continue to get interest right up until July 1, but don't expect a deal to actually go down until June 30th for Patrick.

The Flyers may not be done dealing a rumours have surfaced that they made a pitch for Brent Seabrooke at the draft. I am hearing that Carter's deal could be announced as early as Wednesday, and I don't get the impression that ANYONE is worried about it NOT getting done...

The Thrashers are said to have interest in Darcy Tucker and Pavel Kubina...could a deal be coming?

There is a rumour out there still that the Flames and Blues are interested in Spezza. If Calgary, Langkow would be included in a deal to Ottawa...If St. Louis, it would have to be Johnson.

Sean Avery has two likely destinations. Neither are Manhattan....The NY Islanders and Canadiens are believed to the best bets.

Gary Roberts would love to return to Toronto or Ottawa I am told, and both teams would absolutely oblige.

There are more and more people that are saying that Brian Campbell may be down to just a few teams. Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Atlanta, NY, Philadelphia, and Washington.

Speaking of Washington.....There are some serious offer sheet rumours out there right now for Green. The Caps have come out and said they will match any offer sheets...however, I am told it could depend on who makes the offer...One team that could be intriguing that I am hearing could make an offer sheet for Mike Green is the NY Islanders..Now for the price the Isles would pay..those 5 #1 picks could be enticing..

The Panthers aren't done yet, and once again rumours of the Leafs being interested in Jay Boumeester are surfacing...

blackredyellow

NY PJ1 wrote:

The Leafs have placed Wellwood and Raycroft on Waivers...Raycroft, OK...but WELLWOOD? How curious is this move...Wellwood, in my opinion is a future top 6 guy and you are telling me that they couldn't trade him for ANYTHING??? There is obviously more to this story that we don't know than we do..One thing I do know...The Canucks have interest in Wellwood, and that is where I predict he will end up. Really baffled by this move.

Sundin.

A source tells me that there will be serious pressure on Mats Sundin to drag this process out as long as possible. The NHLPA view Mats as the benchmark guy and to that end wants him to sign as late as possible in the process. maybe even after July 1. If that is the case, the Leafs fans wont be too happy. All thoughts of Higgins for Sundins rights I am told are moot. One source of mine is convinced that Sundin won't be a Hab at all , but instead skate for the NY Rangers.

Gaborik
to Buffalo (e3) Hold your hats Sabres fans. According to three sources the Wild are shopping Gaborik and the Sabres are offring up the best package out there.

Hossa
The Canucks are very much in this one as well, but a new team that is making lots of waives here...The Edmonton Oilers. The Oilers are a hell of a fast team and some players have told me that they may be the quickest team in hockey... Hossa would be a great fit and may enjoy the offense that the Oilers like to play

Emery to Tampa (e3)
I continue to be told that now that Melrose is the guy in Tampa look out for alot of changes and the first may be a new start for Emery. I would love this move if Tampa could pull it off.

Marleau to Carolina (e3), Boston (e3), Nashville (e2) or NJ (e2),
Patrick Marleau will continue to get interest right up until July 1, but don't expect a deal to actually go down until June 30th for Patrick.

The Flyers may not be done dealing a rumours have surfaced that they made a pitch for Brent Seabrooke at the draft. I am hearing that Carter's deal could be announced as early as Wednesday, and I don't get the impression that ANYONE is worried about it NOT getting done...

The Thrashers are said to have interest in Darcy Tucker and Pavel Kubina...could a deal be coming?

There is a rumour out there still that the Flames and Blues are interested in Spezza. If Calgary, Langkow would be included in a deal to Ottawa...If St. Louis, it would have to be Johnson.

Sean Avery has two likely destinations. Neither are Manhattan....The NY Islanders and Canadiens are believed to the best bets.

Gary Roberts would love to return to Toronto or Ottawa I am told, and both teams would absolutely oblige.

There are more and more people that are saying that Brian Campbell may be down to just a few teams. Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Atlanta, NY, Philadelphia, and Washington.

Speaking of Washington.....There are some serious offer sheet rumours out there right now for Green. The Caps have come out and said they will match any offer sheets...however, I am told it could depend on who makes the offer...One team that could be intriguing that I am hearing could make an offer sheet for Mike Green is the NY Islanders..Now for the price the Isles would pay..those 5 #1 picks could be enticing..

The Panthers aren't done yet, and once again rumours of the Leafs being interested in Jay Boumeester are surfacing...

I can't remember the last time eklund was right on a trade or signing rumor...

Rygar

blackredyellow wrote:

I can't remember the last time eklund was right on a trade or signing rumor...

That's from Eklund?? Well looks like I was right on two counts: it's crap AND made up

Phantom Pain

Rygar wrote:

That's from Eklund?? Well looks like I was right on two counts: it's crap AND made up

Yup

He makes crap up all the time just to start rumours

I did like him though when he played for the Flyers

Rygar

Phantom Pain wrote:

Yup

He makes crap up all the time just to start rumours

I did like him though when he played for the Flyers

He had a few accurate biggies to start himself off and has been just saying whatever ever since.

Rygar

Darcy "The Fucker" Tucker's career is over (at least with the Maple Loofs).
Buy out for him! What is the limit on players a team can buy out? Cause that's 3....