The War on Women: Abortion and the South

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  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Jeanie, I'm putting matters of abortion on the table. The most important aspect of which is the functionality and development of the human embryo/fetus. That is what the abortion debate is about. Female bodies are involved, yes, but it's not the end-all of the debate. It's only half of the debate. My points are stated quite clearly for you to address.

    The abortion debate is about many things. The privacy aspect is about women though. (doctors also of course)
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Jeanie, I'm laughing, honestly. Your responses are so off the wall, it's hilarious. You confirmed what I was saying about men being the targets of the "war on ABORTION" as well, not just women, it's not a "war on WOMEN" as you keep saying. Furthermore, you incorrectly stated what the law was, that the law is "in support of women" when we were discussing late pregnancy abortions, and I provided the link to the Parliament of Australia Library.

    Don't give me this crap you are giving me now. Nice recovery tactic, but can't you just take a pill, drop your feminist attitude toward this topic and pick up a more egalitarian and educated approach?


    So you're not in support of people holding their own views then?
    We should all think like you? And continue with the belittling and completely unfounded superiority complex, it suits you well Ryan. Just makes you look like a bigger tool. And is one of the reasons that discussing things like this with you completely bores me to tears. You are so focused on what you think my point of view is, and busy assuming what you think I believe that you're actually are projecting your crap on to me. Well that's nice, but can't you go torture angelica or something useful? coz you're not really doing much here. Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned? It's my body and if I need an abortion I will have one, whether it's legal or not AND IF someone decides to declare war on me while I do that, then I will retaliate. But anyway, I'm thinking that you just want a soapbox for your usual crap because you were deprived of attention as a child or somebody made you feel dumb or less, I am not interested in providing you with that forum. So best you talk to yourself from here on in. And thanks for being a complete bastard today, I really appreciate it. I probably deserved it for being a woman and daring to say what I thought. I won't bother next time. That's what you want isn't it?
    NOPE!!!

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    SundaySilence wrote:
    The abortion debate is about many things. The privacy aspect is about women though. (doctors also of course)

    Are all abortion doctors women?

    If not, then it's not about "Women", it's about Pregnant women and doctors who abort fetuses. But privacy wasn't the context of the discussion anyway. I see your point, but it doesn't make the abortion issue a "War on Women".
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie wrote:
    So you're not in support of people holding their own views then?
    We should all think like you? And continue with the belittling and completely unfounded superiority complex, it suits you well Ryan. Just makes you look like a bigger tool. And is one of the reasons that discussing things like this with you completely bores me to tears. You are so focused on what you think my point of view is, and busy assuming what you think I believe that you're actually are projecting your crap on to me. Well that's nice, but can't you go torture angelica or something useful? coz you're not really doing much here. Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned? It's my body and if I need an abortion I will have one, whether it's legal or not AND IF someone decides to declare war on me while I do that, then I will retaliate. But anyway, I'm thinking that you just want a soapbox for your usual crap because you were deprived of attention as a child or somebody made you feel dumb or less, I am not interested in providing you with that forum. So best you talk to yourself from here on in. And thanks for being a complete bastard today, I really appreciate it. I probably deserved it for being a woman and daring to say what I thought. I won't bother next time. That's what you want isn't it?

    Don't be such an idiot Jeanie. This is about a serious political issue called Abortion. If you can't accept that, then that's your problem. Just grow up, I'm sick of your bullshit statements. It's not about women, it's not about me and it's not about men. It's about ABORTION. Get it? You must have been indoctrinated into some seriously lop-sided thinking about society. I'm sick of you blaming men for the debate, when many of the pro-Life supporters are women and I'm sick of you hiding behind your feminism to support your view. It'd almost be nice if you were imprisoned for aborting a viable fetus. Then your ignorant, myopic, feminist and stereotypical view of reality can be shut up for good. Unfortunately you are one of a billion such ignorant people and imprisoning you would cost a valuable life. I firmly believe you have the capacity to be an intelligent and egalitarian individual, but you have far to much support to be ignorant.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Are all abortion doctors women?

    If not, then it's not about "Women", it's about Pregnant women and doctors who abort fetuses. But privacy wasn't the context of the discussion anyway. I see your point, but it doesn't make the abortion issue a "War on Women".

    Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering testical because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering teste because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.

    Don't start with me gue, read the rest of the thread. It is not strictly a woman's health issue. If my testicle was a separate viable human being, then it would be a lot bigger issue.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Don't start with me gue, read the rest of the thread. It is not strictly a woman's health issue. If my testicle was a separate viable human being, then it would be a lot bigger issue.

    It produces sperm. And contains all-human DNA.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Anyway, I'm sick of this debate.

    Continue on with your back and forth emotional scrap. Kill each other, I don't care. I've tried to provide an understanding of how most western countries currently deal with this issue. A perspective that has been settled in court over decades or centuries of abortion history. You don't agree with me, then you don't agree with the law. This debate will never end.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    It produces sperm. And contains all-human DNA.

    So, now my sperm is a separate viable human being?

    A fetus would have my sperm in it, half of it's chromosomes would be mine, which means half of that baby is my DNA and my flesh and blood. Yet, you are saying it's strictly a "Woman's health" issue?

    Every time I jack off I'm commiting a massacre of viable human beings?

    Get your head on straight.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, now my sperm is a separate viable human being?

    A fetus would have my sperm in it, half of it's chromosomes would be mine, which means half of that baby is my DNA and my flesh and blood. Yet, you are saying it's strictly a "Woman's health" issue?

    Every time I jack off I'm commiting a massacre of viable human beings?

    Get your head on straight.
    You obviously haven't seen Monty Pythons "Every Sperm is Sacred" from The Meaning of Life! :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, now my sperm is a separate viable human being?

    No, just another step in the continuous process of life.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Anyway, I'm sick of this debate.

    Continue on with your back and forth emotional scrap. Kill each other, I don't care. I've tried to provide an understanding of how most western countries currently deal with this issue. A perspective that has been settled in court over decades or centuries of abortion history. You don't agree with me, then you don't agree with the law. This debate will never end.

    It can only be a purgatorial health issue for men. Kind of like being a poor man and wanting sex change surgery, I guess.


    Q: You're a goof.
    A: Hahahaha.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    wolfbear wrote:
    You obviously haven't seen Monty Pythons "Every Sperm is Sacred" from The Meaning of Life! :)

    I used to have those thoughts...like sperm was magical, or something. And the dead and dying sperm were rising spirits.

    When I was in my early 20's.


    Q: Godddam dude, you're weird.
    A: Hahahahahahahaah
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    gue_barium wrote:
    Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering testical because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.

    Now gue, being the rampant lesbian, hairy armpitted feminist that I am :rolleyes: (not that there's anything wrong with that ;) ) not to mention an uneducated idiot that needs to grow up, obviously I'm expected to say that as a woman, who cares about your festering testicles or your male medical issues? You should submit to my thinking on this issue. Do you wanna go to war over it? ;):D
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Jeanie wrote:
    Now gue, being the rampant lesbian, hairy armpitted feminist that I am :rolleyes: (not that there's anything wrong with that ;) ) not to mention an uneducated idiot that needs to grow up, obviously I'm expected to say that as a woman, who cares about your festering testicles or your male medical issues? You should submit to my thinking on this issue. Do you wanna go to war over it? ;):D

    Only if the peaceful solution involves... a sexual wager.
    Something along the lines of servitude to the loser. :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    wolfbear wrote:
    You obviously haven't seen Monty Pythons "Every Sperm is Sacred" from The Meaning of Life! :)


    :D I would like to dedicate this youtube to lovely Hippiemom who did share it with me very early on in my time here on the board! :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    gue_barium wrote:
    Only if the peaceful solution involves... a sexual wager.
    Something along the lines of servitude to the loser. :)


    :D I like your thinking!

    Make love not war! :D
    NOPE!!!

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  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    Jeanie wrote:
    :D I would like to dedicate this youtube to lovely Hippiemom who did share it with me very early on in my time here on the board! :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
    :) Much love to Hippiemom.
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    wolfbear wrote:
    :) Much love to Hippiemom.


    Yes! A very sacred sperm indeed! :)
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Jeanie wrote:
    :D I like your thinking!

    Make love not war! :D
    Hey Jeanie, if you read it a little closer... it kind of has a ring of contemporary truth to it. On this issue of men and women and sexual morality. Of course, bringing sexual morality into this might confuse those who have read my post about this being a woman's health isssue. Could it be that the morality of the right is more concerned about male sexual dominance? Could it be that abortion is not really the issue at all?
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