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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,619
    Show meez your papers! No sympathy.

    U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'

    A Virginia man said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men near his home in Virginia when he was stopped by ICE agents with guns in their hands.

    A naturalized Virginia resident said he's questioning his vote for President Donald Trump after agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him this week when they were looking for another person on a deportation order.

    Jensy Machado said he's a U.S. citizen and provided NBC 4 Washington documentation of his legal status.

    Machado was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents near his home, he said.

    Confused by the scene, Machado said he didn't know what was happening and why agents surrounded his pickup truck.

    “They just got out of the car with the guns in their hands and say, 'turn off the car, give me the keys, open the window,'” Machado told Telemundo 44’s Rosbelis Quinoñez, who first reported his story. “Everything was really fast.”

    According to Machado, the agents said the name of a man who had a deportation order, someone who had given Machado’s home address.

    Machado said the experience shook his faith in Trump's immigration enforcement efforts.

    “I was a Trump supporter,” he said. “I voted for Trump last election."

    Machado said he thought the Trump administration would "just go against criminals, not every Hispanic looking, like, that they will assume that we are all illegals.”

    “That’s what they’re doing, now,” Machado said. “They’re just following Hispanic people.”

    Immigration lawyers advise residents and citizens to always keep ID with them.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,677
    Show meez your papers! No sympathy.

    U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'

    A Virginia man said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men near his home in Virginia when he was stopped by ICE agents with guns in their hands.

    A naturalized Virginia resident said he's questioning his vote for President Donald Trump after agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him this week when they were looking for another person on a deportation order.

    Jensy Machado said he's a U.S. citizen and provided NBC 4 Washington documentation of his legal status.

    Machado was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents near his home, he said.

    Confused by the scene, Machado said he didn't know what was happening and why agents surrounded his pickup truck.

    “They just got out of the car with the guns in their hands and say, 'turn off the car, give me the keys, open the window,'” Machado told Telemundo 44’s Rosbelis Quinoñez, who first reported his story. “Everything was really fast.”

    According to Machado, the agents said the name of a man who had a deportation order, someone who had given Machado’s home address.

    Machado said the experience shook his faith in Trump's immigration enforcement efforts.

    “I was a Trump supporter,” he said. “I voted for Trump last election."

    Machado said he thought the Trump administration would "just go against criminals, not every Hispanic looking, like, that they will assume that we are all illegals.”

    “That’s what they’re doing, now,” Machado said. “They’re just following Hispanic people.”

    Immigration lawyers advise residents and citizens to always keep ID with them.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797

    ICE agents arrested Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil — a leader in Columbia University's encampment movement — claiming his student visa had been revoked, but his attorney told ABC News on Sunday that Khalil is in the U.S. on a green card, not a student visa. https://abcnews.link/aP2pbSV
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,694
    Show meez your papers! No sympathy.

    U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'

    A Virginia man said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men near his home in Virginia when he was stopped by ICE agents with guns in their hands.

    A naturalized Virginia resident said he's questioning his vote for President Donald Trump after agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him this week when they were looking for another person on a deportation order.

    Jensy Machado said he's a U.S. citizen and provided NBC 4 Washington documentation of his legal status.

    Machado was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents near his home, he said.

    Confused by the scene, Machado said he didn't know what was happening and why agents surrounded his pickup truck.

    “They just got out of the car with the guns in their hands and say, 'turn off the car, give me the keys, open the window,'” Machado told Telemundo 44’s Rosbelis Quinoñez, who first reported his story. “Everything was really fast.”

    According to Machado, the agents said the name of a man who had a deportation order, someone who had given Machado’s home address.

    Machado said the experience shook his faith in Trump's immigration enforcement efforts.

    “I was a Trump supporter,” he said. “I voted for Trump last election."

    Machado said he thought the Trump administration would "just go against criminals, not every Hispanic looking, like, that they will assume that we are all illegals.”

    “That’s what they’re doing, now,” Machado said. “They’re just following Hispanic people.”

    Immigration lawyers advise residents and citizens to always keep ID with them.

    https://apple.news/A6HUi1OdaSBqs4ZyWRIv8pA

    Yes I need to carry my American passport 😂
    You speak better English than the President  Jose!
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,677
    Show meez your papers! No sympathy.

    U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'

    A Virginia man said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men near his home in Virginia when he was stopped by ICE agents with guns in their hands.

    A naturalized Virginia resident said he's questioning his vote for President Donald Trump after agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him this week when they were looking for another person on a deportation order.

    Jensy Machado said he's a U.S. citizen and provided NBC 4 Washington documentation of his legal status.

    Machado was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents near his home, he said.

    Confused by the scene, Machado said he didn't know what was happening and why agents surrounded his pickup truck.

    “They just got out of the car with the guns in their hands and say, 'turn off the car, give me the keys, open the window,'” Machado told Telemundo 44’s Rosbelis Quinoñez, who first reported his story. “Everything was really fast.”

    According to Machado, the agents said the name of a man who had a deportation order, someone who had given Machado’s home address.

    Machado said the experience shook his faith in Trump's immigration enforcement efforts.

    “I was a Trump supporter,” he said. “I voted for Trump last election."

    Machado said he thought the Trump administration would "just go against criminals, not every Hispanic looking, like, that they will assume that we are all illegals.”

    “That’s what they’re doing, now,” Machado said. “They’re just following Hispanic people.”

    Immigration lawyers advise residents and citizens to always keep ID with them.

    https://apple.news/A6HUi1OdaSBqs4ZyWRIv8pA

    Yes I need to carry my American passport 😂
    You speak better English than the President  Jose!
    😂 I made it a point to learn English to the best of my ability when I got to this country in 1971, all I wanted was to fit in so pronunciation was my goal 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,694
    Show meez your papers! No sympathy.

    U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'

    A Virginia man said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men near his home in Virginia when he was stopped by ICE agents with guns in their hands.

    A naturalized Virginia resident said he's questioning his vote for President Donald Trump after agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him this week when they were looking for another person on a deportation order.

    Jensy Machado said he's a U.S. citizen and provided NBC 4 Washington documentation of his legal status.

    Machado was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents near his home, he said.

    Confused by the scene, Machado said he didn't know what was happening and why agents surrounded his pickup truck.

    “They just got out of the car with the guns in their hands and say, 'turn off the car, give me the keys, open the window,'” Machado told Telemundo 44’s Rosbelis Quinoñez, who first reported his story. “Everything was really fast.”

    According to Machado, the agents said the name of a man who had a deportation order, someone who had given Machado’s home address.

    Machado said the experience shook his faith in Trump's immigration enforcement efforts.

    “I was a Trump supporter,” he said. “I voted for Trump last election."

    Machado said he thought the Trump administration would "just go against criminals, not every Hispanic looking, like, that they will assume that we are all illegals.”

    “That’s what they’re doing, now,” Machado said. “They’re just following Hispanic people.”

    Immigration lawyers advise residents and citizens to always keep ID with them.

    https://apple.news/A6HUi1OdaSBqs4ZyWRIv8pA

    Yes I need to carry my American passport 😂
    You speak better English than the President  Jose!
    😂 I made it a point to learn English to the best of my ability when I got to this country in 1971, all I wanted was to fit in so pronunciation was my goal 
    Well your vocabulary is miles ahead of his too.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797

    Trump’s mass deportation push is flopping. Despite terrorizing immigrants with propaganda and ICE raids, actual deportations lag behind Biden’s numbers. ICE agents are overworked, arrests aren’t matching promises, and fear is the only thing Trump’s regime is successfully spreading. His $200 million “Stay Out and Leave Now” campaign is just another failure masked as strength.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-immigration-deportation-agenda/682005/
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797

    BREAKING: Federal judge in DC orders release of Venezuelan couple arrested in DC and criminally charged with illegally crossing border in Texas 2 years ago even though they had TPS, work permits & pending asylum cases. Earlier: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-03-12/venezuelan-couple-charged-with-illegal-entry-two-years-after-crossing-the-border
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797
    this will end well....


    Blackwater founder Erik Prince is trying to sell Trump on a $25 billion deal to privatize the mass deportations of millions of migrants. Four of Prince's guards at Blackwater were convicted for firing machine guns on a crowd of civilians in Baghdad in 2007, killing 14 civilians, including two children.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797
    A doctor who was arriving in the United States to teach medicine was detained at Boston's Logan International Airport on March 13, according to legal documents.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/dhs-detains-lebanese-doctor-work-visa-teach-medicine/story?id=119858026
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797

    A federal judge ordered the Trump administration not to deport a Brown University medical school professor who specializes in kidney transplants. But U.S. Customs and Border Protection deported her anyway, put her on a plane to Paris, and then claimed they didn't get the order in time.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,797

    BREAKING: Trump’s ICE just JAILED a Canadian actress for 12 DAYS. Jasmine Mooney, star of American Pie, was detained like a criminal when she tried to renew her visa. ICE agents admitted they were following Trump’s orders. THIS is the future he wants.

    https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/films/news/jasmine-mooney-canada-american-pie-detained-ice-b2716919.html
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,254
    mickeyrat said:

    BREAKING: Trump’s ICE just JAILED a Canadian actress for 12 DAYS. Jasmine Mooney, star of American Pie, was detained like a criminal when she tried to renew her visa. ICE agents admitted they were following Trump’s orders. THIS is the future he wants.

    https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/films/news/jasmine-mooney-canada-american-pie-detained-ice-b2716919.html
    I’m just waiting for him to say that he’ll only return her to Canada as the 51st state. Jackass.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,165
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,721
    it's hilarious that every random event that liberals get upset about is somehow related to why trump won an election. totally bizarre cognitive connections being made. 
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,736
    edited March 18
    Because she was in American Pie: The Book of Love and now people are talking about her.


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,619
    “Democrats lost to COOTWH.” No, everyone but white Christian males lost to COOTWH. Except, some can’t see it for their blind hatred.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,369
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
    The main reason Trump won was misinformation about the economy under Biden and the fantasy belief surrounding Trump and his ability to improve the economy. The other reasons had to do with culture war narratives that effectively stirred up anger and fear. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,165
    it's hilarious that every random event that liberals get upset about is somehow related to why trump won an election. totally bizarre cognitive connections being made. 

    It’s hilarious when some have the need to constantly throw shade without challenging its own conviction to question comfortable beliefs. Much easier to be always right I guess

    he ran on..

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 


    The last thing this is … is random

    voters agreed with him, I didn’t. We have a case of a Canadian citizen who either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care to. Came onto American soil against the advice of her attorney and without a visa.

    yet no one here will even raise or acknowledge that issues have two sides. Wonder why.

     Shade is much more comfortable than thinking.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,151
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
    The main reason Trump won was misinformation about the economy under Biden and the fantasy belief surrounding Trump and his ability to improve the economy. The other reasons had to do with culture war narratives that effectively stirred up anger and fear. 
    Bingo was his name-o.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,721
    it's hilarious that every random event that liberals get upset about is somehow related to why trump won an election. totally bizarre cognitive connections being made. 

    It’s hilarious when some have the need to constantly throw shade without challenging its own conviction to question comfortable beliefs. Much easier to be always right I guess

    he ran on..

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 


    The last thing this is … is random

    voters agreed with him, I didn’t. We have a case of a Canadian citizen who either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care to. Came onto American soil against the advice of her attorney and without a visa.

    yet no one here will even raise or acknowledge that issues have two sides. Wonder why.

     Shade is much more comfortable than thinking.
    She was in the country illegally. She was detained and sent back as the law allows. The conditions of detainment are a separate issue and have been that way through both parties action/inaction. 

    This incident and dems reaction to it has zero to do with why trump won. Saying that over and over again by you and at least one other every time something like this occurs is a sad attempt at an I told you so. 

    Trump won on lies and misinformation. That’s it. It’s not “cuz democrats/libs”. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,165
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
    The main reason Trump won was misinformation about the economy under Biden and the fantasy belief surrounding Trump and his ability to improve the economy. The other reasons had to do with culture war narratives that effectively stirred up anger and fear. 
    Bingo was his name-o.


    I’ll keep saying it. I don’t agree with it. But this is what he ran vigorously on.

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,721
    If you don’t agree with it why do you keep telling Canadians we need to pay up? 

    And all of those points are what’s referred to as “misinformation”. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,164
    it's hilarious that every random event that liberals get upset about is somehow related to why trump won an election. totally bizarre cognitive connections being made. 

    It’s hilarious when some have the need to constantly throw shade without challenging its own conviction to question comfortable beliefs. Much easier to be always right I guess

    he ran on..

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 


    The last thing this is … is random

    voters agreed with him, I didn’t. We have a case of a Canadian citizen who either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care to. Came onto American soil against the advice of her attorney and without a visa.

    yet no one here will even raise or acknowledge that issues have two sides. Wonder why.

     Shade is much more comfortable than thinking.
    I hear what you're saying, but I think you are putting the onus on regular citizens to live in fear and forego doing anything historically considered normal/legal, whether fringe or not, because we have a dictator in the White House. Basically, don't rock the boat or you'll get what's coming to you. It's frankly frightening to witness and even worse to read comments by you and Get Right that ultimately "victim blame" people for facing extreme repercussions for actions that are not ultimately criminal in nature. It's beyond fucked up, but I'm starting to feel like I'm in the minority on this issue when I read comments like yours and see the continued support by the public in this president. I mean, how the hell is his approval so high yet?

    As it stands, I don't see Democrats taking back any branch of government in 2 or 4 years. People seem mostly ok with what is happening and my perspective is that now that Project 2025 is being rolled out, the average American is ok with it and prefers there to be a regimented plan on how the country is run, whether it's good or not. Democrats are doing a lot of naysaying, but they don't even come close to being able to put together something that comprehensive and overarching. It almost seems like a lot of people like living under an authoritarian regime because it comforts them, at least until it comes to their doorstep, but these people are too ignorant to even consider it causing them any harm until it most certainly does. That, or it's because at their core, they agree with the draconian way the government is being run the past 2 months. Either way, it sucks and doesn't bode well for us as a country.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,151
    edited March 18
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
    The main reason Trump won was misinformation about the economy under Biden and the fantasy belief surrounding Trump and his ability to improve the economy. The other reasons had to do with culture war narratives that effectively stirred up anger and fear. 
    Bingo was his name-o.


    I’ll keep saying it. I don’t agree with it. But this is what he ran vigorously on.

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 
    He ran vigorously on fixing the economy, and in 2024 America had the best economy of any developed nation. He ran vigorously against inflation that he blamed on Biden, but in reality was caused by a global pandemic. No nation handled pandemic induced inflation better than America. 

    Go off tho... 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,165
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
    The main reason Trump won was misinformation about the economy under Biden and the fantasy belief surrounding Trump and his ability to improve the economy. The other reasons had to do with culture war narratives that effectively stirred up anger and fear. 
    Bingo was his name-o.


    I’ll keep saying it. I don’t agree with it. But this is what he ran vigorously on.

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 
    He ran vigorously on fixing the economy, and in 2024 America had the best economy of any developed nation. He ran vigorously against inflation that he blamed on Biden, but in reality was caused by a global pandemic. No nation handled pandemic induced inflation better than America. 

    Go off tho... 

    I completely agree with this comment, however those three points he ran on that I raised are true as well. I am not saying I told you so, or even it’s why he won. Just that these three points were significant in his campaign and people fell for that. And he is following thru now. 


    as far as your point inflation was caused by trumps handling of COVID, I’ve mentioned that several times on the forum, and I can’t recall Biden or Harris making that point. I do recall them blaming him for unemployment. If they did blame him for the broken supply chain, it should have been a significant theme in her campaign. It wasn’t.


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,151
    This forum is helping me understand why the democrats lost to trump. Yes she was detained in horrible conditions but there is another side to this story with plenty of relevant facts.

    One minute of Internet research…

    “According to Mooney, she was visiting home in Vancouver in November when she learned that her three-year work visa had been revoked.

     “Jasmine mentioned she was going to San Ysidro. I said, ‘I don’t think that’s a good idea with this new administration and the political climate,’ ” Mooney's immigration lawyer, Len Saunders recalled. “I said, ‘Look, if you are my client, I would probably advise you to do this on the northern border. I just have a bad feeling from when the new administration took over.' " “

    ..


    Who was president in November?

    Was she aware relations between these two countries has been extremely tense?

    Why would she come on American soil against the advise of her attorney.
    The main reason Trump won was misinformation about the economy under Biden and the fantasy belief surrounding Trump and his ability to improve the economy. The other reasons had to do with culture war narratives that effectively stirred up anger and fear. 
    Bingo was his name-o.


    I’ll keep saying it. I don’t agree with it. But this is what he ran vigorously on.

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 
    He ran vigorously on fixing the economy, and in 2024 America had the best economy of any developed nation. He ran vigorously against inflation that he blamed on Biden, but in reality was caused by a global pandemic. No nation handled pandemic induced inflation better than America. 

    Go off tho... 

    I completely agree with this comment, however those three points he ran on that I raised are true as well. I am not saying I told you so, or even it’s why he won. Just that these three points were significant in his campaign and people fell for that. And he is following thru now. 


    as far as your point inflation was caused by trumps handling of COVID, I’ve mentioned that several times on the forum, and I can’t recall Biden or Harris making that point. I do recall them blaming him for unemployment. If they did blame him for the broken supply chain, it should have been a significant theme in her campaign. It wasn’t.


    & to Hugh's point, the things you mentioned that he ran on: 

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 

    Are also based on misinformation in some way shape or form. 


    It's ok to admit he won on misinformation. And he's still winning on misinformation. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,165
    tbergs said:
    it's hilarious that every random event that liberals get upset about is somehow related to why trump won an election. totally bizarre cognitive connections being made. 

    It’s hilarious when some have the need to constantly throw shade without challenging its own conviction to question comfortable beliefs. Much easier to be always right I guess

    he ran on..

    the us is 36 trillion in debt
    the us is being taken advantage of financially by others
    the us has an immigration problem, draining its resources and wealth of Americans 


    The last thing this is … is random

    voters agreed with him, I didn’t. We have a case of a Canadian citizen who either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care to. Came onto American soil against the advice of her attorney and without a visa.

    yet no one here will even raise or acknowledge that issues have two sides. Wonder why.

     Shade is much more comfortable than thinking.
    I hear what you're saying, but I think you are putting the onus on regular citizens to live in fear and forego doing anything historically considered normal/legal, whether fringe or not, because we have a dictator in the White House. Basically, don't rock the boat or you'll get what's coming to you. It's frankly frightening to witness and even worse to read comments by you and Get Right that ultimately "victim blame" people for facing extreme repercussions for actions that are not ultimately criminal in nature. It's beyond fucked up, but I'm starting to feel like I'm in the minority on this issue when I read comments like yours and see the continued support by the public in this president. I mean, how the hell is his approval so high yet?

    As it stands, I don't see Democrats taking back any branch of government in 2 or 4 years. People seem mostly ok with what is happening and my perspective is that now that Project 2025 is being rolled out, the average American is ok with it and prefers there to be a regimented plan on how the country is run, whether it's good or not. Democrats are doing a lot of naysaying, but they don't even come close to being able to put together something that comprehensive and overarching. It almost seems like a lot of people like living under an authoritarian regime because it comforts them, at least until it comes to their doorstep, but these people are too ignorant to even consider it causing them any harm until it most certainly does. That, or it's because at their core, they agree with the draconian way the government is being run the past 2 months. Either way, it sucks and doesn't bode well for us as a country.

    I don’t want folks to live in fear, although it may come to that. I was replying to some anger at trump for that unfortunate Canadian actress who was detained. How the USA treats detainees, especially those that formerly had visas is definitely a point I support. But this actress ignored her attorney and entered the USA without a visa. In this climate. Something I needed to research on the internet after reading a one sided thread posted here.

    In a perfect world those who post news articles, perhaps that’s a good thing to do before posting. But who the heck am I to say.

    Only trying to point out here is a legitimate counter to this specific fact pattern. When the far left goes off against trump on the news, they often look bad when there are legitimate counters that they ignore. It makes the dems look bad to the middle, and the left is oblivious to that.

    now if the govt does not abide by the court investigating if those were deported to El Salvador against a court order, that’s frightening. The court has a right to know if its order was violated, and if so, those responsible should be held in contempt.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,736
    edited March 18
    Its a fair and correct point. If you want the moral and factual high ground, be fair, moral and factual. 

    that being said and at the risk of whataboutism, its like pointing out that its starting to rain, while theres a hole in the boat and its sinking. Ignoring legitimate counters to specific fact patterns has been a conservative hallmark for over a couple of decades now. So much so its broken through to the electorate. It comes off as a bit unfair to hold only one side up to this standard of information fairness, to say nothing of the degrees of what facts end up being ignored by either end of the political spectrum and which do the most damage.


    But yes. Include all the relevant information for readers. certainly. but these are not apples to apples omissions in terms of chasing a narrative for political gain. 

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