Japan vs Iraq

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

its not gonna happen. and hopefully next time the US decides to spread its brand of democracy it will look at iraq and say to itself well shit that wasnt a good idea best we keep our ideas to ourselves.

They didn't learn the lesson of Vietnam. What makes anyone think they'll learn the lesson of Iraq? The U.S media is extremely effective at brainwashing people. They've been doing it for years and will continue doing it as long as someone's pockets are being lined.

Gary Carter

catefrances wrote:

what would be helpful would be someone to bite the fucking bullet and admit responsibility for this fuck up. give a date for withdrawal and get the neighbours involved.

i agree the us should leave the us did its job back in 03. yeah lets bring iran into the mix and the saudis"the americans friend". dont forget isreal.the us would never set a withdrawl date cause the "terrorist" would just run the country.america made another north korea in iraq. i cant wait till this all goes to fire maybe then dc will see what a fuck up this was

gue_barium

lucylespian wrote:

Both of these countries were flattened by US military action.

Both were offered reconstruction.

One took that opportunity and what was left of their national pride and rebuilt themselves into a dominant economic force.

The other has not, preferring to destroy any reconstruction efforts, and to continue to bomb and murder their fellow citizens.

Who owns the blame ???

Japan declared war on America, and attacked. End of discussion.

catefrances

lucylespian wrote:

YOu said " disappear". What was he gonna do, go fishing ?

oh lucy. presumption. you should know better. :rolleyes:
milosevic has disappeared and hes still alive to the best of my knowledge. people disappear all the time. it doesn't mean theyre dead. sure, fishing sounds like fun.

lucylespian

Byrnzie wrote:

A girl who can fish. Now that's something I can respect. And I won't even mention the 'lespian' part. I wonder if that 'p' is a spelling mistake.

Haha, another fish caught by my sexually ambiguous name !!

I hate fishing really, way too smellty, and no fun at all.

Tihs is me......
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/lucylespian/DeJa-VooTrick3a.jpg

this is Lucy teh Les PAul aka lucy lesbian
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/lucylespian/BadCatLucy.jpg

Byrnzie

lucylespian wrote:

Haha, another fish caught by my sexually ambiguous name !!

I hate fishing really, way too smellty, and no fun at all.

Tihs is me......
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/lucylespian/DeJa-VooTrick3a.jpg

this is Lucy teh Les PAul aka lucy lesbian
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/lucylespian/BadCatLucy.jpg

What? You're a horse? :eek:

catefrances

metsfan531941 wrote:

i agree the us should leave the us did its job back in 03. yeah lets bring iran into the mix and the saudis"the americans friend". dont forget isreal.the us would never set a withdrawl date cause the "terrorist" would just run the country.america made another north korea in iraq. i cant wait till this all goes to fire maybe then dc will see what a fuck up this was

no. do not involve israel in iraq.

and 'terrorists' already run the country from the looks of things.


please explain your comment about the US making another nth korea in iraq.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

What? You're a horse? :eek:

OMG!!! LMAO!!! the thought that just ran through my head.

lucylespian

Byrnzie wrote:

What? You're a horse? :eek:

No silly, I'm a beanbag !!

Byrnzie

sponger wrote:

And when was the last time a US bomb killed an entire gathering of people?

Errm...today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6229422.stm

Friday, 22 June 2007, 08:58 GMT 09:58 UK

'Afghans killed' in air strikes
By Charles Haviland
BBC News, Kabul

Afghan civilians are suffering unnecessarily, Mr Karzai says
Some 25 civilians have died during aerial bombing by foreign forces in the southern Afghan province of Helmand, local residents and senior police say.

A spokesman for the Nato-led force (Isaf) said he was aware of an incident involving casualties.

President Hamid Karzai told the BBC this week that civilian deaths caused by foreign forces would have to stop.

If not, Mr Karzai warned that Afghans might turn against those countries with a military presence in Afghanistan.

He added, however, that people were still grateful for that involvement.

Speaking to the BBC's correspondent in southern Afghanistan, people from the village of De Adam Khan, near the town of Gereshk in Helmand, said heavy bombings of the area had resulted in the civilian deaths.

They said nine women and three children were among those killed.

The accounts were backed by the district police chief, and the provincial police chief, Mohammed Husain Andiwal.

He told the BBC his team, visiting the site, had confirmed the deaths. Mr Andiwal alleged that foreign forces had launched air strikes on the village without consulting with their Afghan counterparts.

A spokesman in Kabul for the Nato-led peacekeeping force, Isaf, said he was aware of an incident involving casualties in the south.

He said he did not know whether the casualties were civilian, and was awaiting further information.

In the neighbouring province of Uruzgan, Isaf has said that days of fighting appeared to have caused civilian deaths, some of which might have come from air strikes against Taleban insurgents.

Worst year

There are two international missions in Afghanistan: Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), with 37,000 troops from 37 countries including the US. Its aim is to help the Afghan government bring security, development and better governance.

The US-led coalition - under the banner of Operation Enduring Freedom - is a counter-terrorism mission that involves mainly special forces.

The south of the country has this year seen the worst violence since the Taleban were ousted from power in 2001 by US-led troops.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Errm...today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6229422.stm

Friday, 22 June 2007, 08:58 GMT 09:58 UK

'Afghans killed' in air strikes
By Charles Haviland
BBC News, Kabul

Afghan civilians are suffering unnecessarily, Mr Karzai says
Some 25 civilians have died during aerial bombing by foreign forces in the southern Afghan province of Helmand, local residents and senior police say.

A spokesman for the Nato-led force (Isaf) said he was aware of an incident involving casualties.

President Hamid Karzai told the BBC this week that civilian deaths caused by foreign forces would have to stop.

If not, Mr Karzai warned that Afghans might turn against those countries with a military presence in Afghanistan.

He added, however, that people were still grateful for that involvement.

Speaking to the BBC's correspondent in southern Afghanistan, people from the village of De Adam Khan, near the town of Gereshk in Helmand, said heavy bombings of the area had resulted in the civilian deaths.

They said nine women and three children were among those killed.

The accounts were backed by the district police chief, and the provincial police chief, Mohammed Husain Andiwal.

He told the BBC his team, visiting the site, had confirmed the deaths. Mr Andiwal alleged that foreign forces had launched air strikes on the village without consulting with their Afghan counterparts.

A spokesman in Kabul for the Nato-led peacekeeping force, Isaf, said he was aware of an incident involving casualties in the south.

He said he did not know whether the casualties were civilian, and was awaiting further information.

In the neighbouring province of Uruzgan, Isaf has said that days of fighting appeared to have caused civilian deaths, some of which might have come from air strikes against Taleban insurgents.

Worst year

There are two international missions in Afghanistan: Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), with 37,000 troops from 37 countries including the US. Its aim is to help the Afghan government bring security, development and better governance.

The US-led coalition - under the banner of Operation Enduring Freedom - is a counter-terrorism mission that involves mainly special forces.

The south of the country has this year seen the worst violence since the Taleban were ousted from power in 2001 by US-led troops.

I think you forget to mention this was a NATO airstrike, not US. regardless, taliban are launching attacks from civilian homes using these infants you BOLDED as human shields. nice huh.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

...taliban are launching attacks from civilian homes using these infants you BOLDED as human shields. nice huh.

And you know this to be a fact do you?

69charger

catefrances wrote:

whoever invaded iraq owns the problem.

who break it you own it.

Good! Then let's start pumping OUR oil out of OUR new ground!

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

And you know this to be a fact do you?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070622/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan


By AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago

KABUL, Afghanistan - Taliban militants attacked police posts in southern Afghanistan, triggering NATO airstrikes that left 25 civilians dead, including three infants and the local mullah, a senior police officer said Friday.


NATO said its overnight bombardment killed most of a group of 30 insurgents and blamed them for the deaths of any innocents, saying they had launched "irresponsible" attacks from civilian homes.


I bolded it for you since you seem to take as fact the many news articles you post. I dont see how this is any different.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070622/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan


By AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago

KABUL, Afghanistan - Taliban militants attacked police posts in southern Afghanistan, triggering NATO airstrikes that left 25 civilians dead, including three infants and the local mullah, a senior police officer said Friday.


NATO said its overnight bombardment killed most of a group of 30 insurgents and blamed them for the deaths of any innocents, saying they had launched "irresponsible" attacks from civilian homes.


I bolded it for you since you seem to take as fact the many news articles you post. I dont see how this is any different.

Seems odd that someone can attack a police post from inside a house. It seems even stranger that the Nato forces thought that the best way to deal with a disparate band of insurgents was to carry out an airstrike on a bunch of civilian homes. Still, whatever it takes to get the job done, right?

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Seems odd that someone can attack a police post from inside a house. It seems even stranger that the Nato forces thought that the best way to deal with a disparate band of insurgents was to carry out an airstrike on a bunch of civilian homes. Still, whatever it takes to get the job done, right?

war sucks, what do you expect me to say. although I shouldn't be surprised that you feel its ok (maybe their right) to use civilians as human shields.

NATO wasn't trying to kill civilians. they were trying to kill the taliban hiding among them.

Milestone

jlew24asu wrote:

so its religions fault or the american and british government ?

It's religion's fault that the Iraqi people don't have a common goal.

It's the fault of the USA/British that we expect 3 religious sects of Islam to all live together in peace and harmony.

jlew24asu

Milestone wrote:

It's religion's fault that the Iraqi people don't have a common goal.

It's the fault of the USA/British that we expect 3 religious sects of Islam to all live together in peace and harmony.

would be nice if they can put their religious difference aside and work towards peace. but it is what it is I guess.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

although I shouldn't be surprised that you feel its ok (maybe their right) to use civilians as human shields.

Because that's what I said, isn't it.

Truthmonger

Oh look, its Karzai once again denouncing the airstrikes by American and NATO forces. According to him, "Afghan lives are not cheap". Ya, sure they're not. Karzai should just shut the fuck up and stop trying to save face with the Afghan population.....I'm sure the U.S. will let him know when they're done (bombing) in Afghanistan.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/228742