Well at least they are still alive and breathing. And if you think your tough love approach is better (obey the U.S. or die) that speaks also where you stand. Sounds a little worse than wearing hoods and stick beating to me. You think you can solve this through more violence, but it's only making it worse.
Worse is a matter of perspective. With your logic, if we could hypothetically offer the Afghanis an end to war if they would just accept the taliban way of life again, they would gladly accept that offer. Do you believe that?
Better yet, why don't we just let the US and NATO pull out so the Taliban and take control of the country again? You'd prefer that? You'd like to see women robbed of educations again? You'd like to see them wearing hoods and being beaten with sticks?
oh allow me to answer those questions.
yes NATO and thwe US should pull out of afghanistan. i mean honestly what the fuck is a security organisation supposedly made up of countries based around the north atlantic doing in central asia anyway?
i would prefer the most stable governing in afghanistan as in anywhere else.
lets do a comparative study of christianity 600 years ago and islam today at the same age shall we? when was it again women were burned at the stake for being witches? how long ago was it that women were refused entry in education again? how long ago was it that women had no rights whatsoever in our society again?
you are of the opinion that certain islamists are too fundamentalist and yet you dont seem to think of the age the religion is. 600 years ago christianity was barbaric as well. perhaps or perhaps not, more subtle and certainly not as in the public eye as everything seems to be now, but still the behaviour and oppression was there.
try to be a little more objective.
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this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Worse is a matter of perspective. With your logic, if we could hypothetically offer the Afghanis an end to war if they would just accept the taliban way of life again, they would gladly accept that offer. Do you believe that?
Did Afghanistan ask the US or the UN for repeatedly for help prior to being invaded or did the US gov't just walk in guns blazing?
Not everyone is the same in the world...lots of different local customs, places and people. Expect to be a little shocked and sometimes disgusted as you travel around the world. Feel free to enjoy different cultures, or not, but you can't kill what you does not appeal to you.
Thank you for not smoking
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
yes NATO and thwe US should pull out of afghanistan. i mean honestly what the fuck is a security organisation supposedly made up of countries based around the north atlantic doing in central asia anyway?
i would prefer the most stable governing in afghanistan as in anywhere else.
lets do a comparative study of christianity 600 years ago and islam today at the same age shall we? when was it again women were burned at the stake for being witches? how long ago was it that women were refused entry in education again? how long ago was it that women had no rights whatsoever in our society again?
you are of the opinion that certain islamists are too fundamentalist and yet you dont seem to think of the age the religion is. 600 years ago christianity was barbaric as well. perhaps or perhaps not, more subtle and certainly not as in the public eye as everything seems to be now, but still the behaviour and oppression was there.
try to be a little more objective.
Right, nice comparison. Try remembering that Islam has progressed considerably since its days of inception, and the taliban have intentionally reverted to the fundamentalist ideals in spite of being exposed to the more modern adaptations of their religion.
Again, compare that to your "objective" example of christianity 600 years ago and please inform of me of the instances where the church made a giant step backwards in its practices.
Now do you see how you might need to work on your powers of analogizing?
Lastly, never once did I saythe US is justified. I am merely pointing out that no one (especially you now) can definitively say whether the afghani people are better or worse off either today or tomorrow.
yes NATO and thwe US should pull out of afghanistan. i mean honestly what the fuck is a security organisation supposedly made up of countries based around the north atlantic doing in central asia anyway?
i would prefer the most stable governing in afghanistan as in anywhere else.
lets do a comparative study of christianity 600 years ago and islam today at the same age shall we? when was it again women were burned at the stake for being witches? how long ago was it that women were refused entry in education again? how long ago was it that women had no rights whatsoever in our society again?
you are of the opinion that certain islamists are too fundamentalist and yet you dont seem to think of the age the religion is. 600 years ago christianity was barbaric as well. perhaps or perhaps not, more subtle and certainly not as in the public eye as everything seems to be now, but still the behaviour and oppression was there.
try to be a little more objective.
Nice post.
US foreign policy cannot concern itself in cultural idioms.
US foreign policy should concern itself in its own idiomatic separation of its people. In a way that is understood by all of us.
Right, nice comparison. Try remembering that Islam has progressed considerably since its days of inception, and the taliban have intentionally reverted to the fundamentalist ideals in spite of being exposed to the more modern adaptations of their religion.
Again, compare that to your "objective" example of christianity 600 years ago and please inform of me of the instances where the church made a giant step backwards in its practices.
Now do you see how you might need to work on your powers of analogizing?
Lastly, never once did I saythe US is justified. I am merely pointing out that no one (especially you now) can definitively say whether the afghani people are better or worse off either today or tomorrow.
The Amish, in our country, stand steadfast, and rightfully so, in their fundamentalist ideas.
Did Afghanistan ask the US or the UN for repeatedly for help prior to being invaded or did the US gov't just walk in guns blazing?
Not everyone is the same in the world...lots of different local customs, places and people. Expect to be a little shocked and sometimes disgusted as you travel around the world. Feel free to enjoy different cultures, or not, but you can't kill what you does not appeal to you.
Thank you for not smoking
OK, so by that you mean that the Aghani people would in fact agree to the taliban way of life if the US offered an end to war. Thank you for answering my question.
When were women allowed to vote in the US? I'm amazed there wasn't an invasion over it...sigh... imagine!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
catefrances was saying that the taliban will eventually progress just as christanity progressed.
i said not so because the taliban intentionally regressed.
if you use the amish to substantiate catefrance's projection, then you imply that the amish will eventually progress into modern day christianity....if one were to call that a progression.
When were women allowed to vote in the US? I'm amazed there wasn't an invasion over it...sigh... imagine!
So, when women weren't allowed to vote in the US, it was the same thing as putting hoods over their heads and beating them sticks. no, your views aren't skewed at all...lol.
OK, so by that you mean that the Aghani people would in fact agree to the taliban way of life if the US offered an end to war. Thank you for answering my question.
Naw the US would sell them a bunch of guns before they leave as per usual and say here have at it...were done screwing around with you guys for a little while.
Be back later....or come see us again...either way. We got lots of ammo...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So, when women weren't allowed to vote in the US, it was the same thing as putting hoods over their heads and beating them sticks. no, your views aren't skewed at all...lol.
Oh but metaphorically who is at the higher societal level driving shiny new cars and living the American dream?
wool+eyes=you?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Naw the US would sell them a bunch of guns before they leave as per usual and say here have at it...were done screwing around with you guys for a little while.
Be back later....or come see us again...either way. We got lots of ammo...
Now that's the most intelligent thing you've said all night in this thread.
Now that's the most intelligent thing you've said all night in this thread.
and most sad and true as well.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Oh but metaphorically who is at the higher societal level driving shiny new cars and living the American dream?
wool+eyes=you?
Now you are trying to side step the universality of pain and suffering by using the scales of standard of living to skew the big picture.
You might not be aware, but a study was done in african tribes who have seen little or not contact with the outside world to see if their emotional expressions were any different from our own.
Emotions are universal. Therefore, beatings over the head in Afghanistan are beatings over the head here.
I know you want so badly to have the last word. At least give yourself the credit of doing so without so obviously trying to change the subject with your disturbingly slanted perspectives.
Awwe, aren't you the empathetical one. I suppose you'd like a cookie. You've earned it.
straight on to about me eh...haha predictable...
Hey Chachi don't be so cool if you can help it. lol...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I know you want so badly to have the last word. At least give yourself the credit of doing so without so obviously trying to change the subject with your disturbingly slanted perspectives.
say wha? You are fitting my original perception of you like a glove...oh well...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm up for that. My only condition we say nothing or zero instead of love...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I can go for that. Then again, if we say "love", we'll get a laugh out of it.
Since, especially, it will be referenced to your score so often.
Ohhh ouch...heh quite possible. But I have to warn you my Grandfather built his own tennis court when I was 5 and I used to watch him play all the time...just so you know in advance. I also wear a pleated skirt when I play....is that going to be a problem?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ohhh ouch...heh quite possible. But I have to warn you my Grandfather built his own tennis court when I was 5 and I used to watch him play all the time...just so you know in advance. I also wear a pleated skirt when I play....is that going to be a problem?
Actually I don't do wigs anymore...I found it very hard to concentrate during my local games. Away games were fine no one really noticed me and gawked persistently whilst scratching their heads. Very distracting. I always learned from the Royal Tannenbaum's that you have to feel the Tennis....be the tennis.
Maybe we can hook up with some court-side bunnies for a power hit doubles match. I trust you can play bad enough for the sake of getting laid?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Actually I don't do wigs anymore...I found it very hard to concentrate during my local games. Away games were fine no one really noticed me and gawked persistently whilst scratching their heads. Very distracting. I always learned from the Royal Tannenbaum's that you have to feel the Tennis....be the tennis.
Maybe we can hook up with some court-side bunnies for a power hit doubles match. I trust you can play bad enough for the sake of getting laid?
say wha? You are fitting my original perception of you like a glove...oh well...
That isn't saying much based on your posts in this thread so far. You should honestly look at how you have this tendency to say one thing and mean another, and then backtrack over it after being called on it. You really don't have a full understanding of your own point of view, as evidenced by your sloppy stances. I'm only trying to help.
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Worse is a matter of perspective. With your logic, if we could hypothetically offer the Afghanis an end to war if they would just accept the taliban way of life again, they would gladly accept that offer. Do you believe that?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
oh allow me to answer those questions.
yes NATO and thwe US should pull out of afghanistan. i mean honestly what the fuck is a security organisation supposedly made up of countries based around the north atlantic doing in central asia anyway?
i would prefer the most stable governing in afghanistan as in anywhere else.
lets do a comparative study of christianity 600 years ago and islam today at the same age shall we? when was it again women were burned at the stake for being witches? how long ago was it that women were refused entry in education again? how long ago was it that women had no rights whatsoever in our society again?
you are of the opinion that certain islamists are too fundamentalist and yet you dont seem to think of the age the religion is. 600 years ago christianity was barbaric as well. perhaps or perhaps not, more subtle and certainly not as in the public eye as everything seems to be now, but still the behaviour and oppression was there.
try to be a little more objective.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Did Afghanistan ask the US or the UN for repeatedly for help prior to being invaded or did the US gov't just walk in guns blazing?
Not everyone is the same in the world...lots of different local customs, places and people. Expect to be a little shocked and sometimes disgusted as you travel around the world. Feel free to enjoy different cultures, or not, but you can't kill what you does not appeal to you.
Thank you for not smoking
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Right, nice comparison. Try remembering that Islam has progressed considerably since its days of inception, and the taliban have intentionally reverted to the fundamentalist ideals in spite of being exposed to the more modern adaptations of their religion.
Again, compare that to your "objective" example of christianity 600 years ago and please inform of me of the instances where the church made a giant step backwards in its practices.
Now do you see how you might need to work on your powers of analogizing?
Lastly, never once did I saythe US is justified. I am merely pointing out that no one (especially you now) can definitively say whether the afghani people are better or worse off either today or tomorrow.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Nice post.
US foreign policy cannot concern itself in cultural idioms.
US foreign policy should concern itself in its own idiomatic separation of its people. In a way that is understood by all of us.
Goddammit.
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The Amish, in our country, stand steadfast, and rightfully so, in their fundamentalist ideas.
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OK, so by that you mean that the Aghani people would in fact agree to the taliban way of life if the US offered an end to war. Thank you for answering my question.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
And you expect them to morph into Pat Robertsons when?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I have no idea what that means?
I respect the Amish.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
catefrances was saying that the taliban will eventually progress just as christanity progressed.
i said not so because the taliban intentionally regressed.
if you use the amish to substantiate catefrance's projection, then you imply that the amish will eventually progress into modern day christianity....if one were to call that a progression.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
So, when women weren't allowed to vote in the US, it was the same thing as putting hoods over their heads and beating them sticks. no, your views aren't skewed at all...lol.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Naw the US would sell them a bunch of guns before they leave as per usual and say here have at it...were done screwing around with you guys for a little while.
Be back later....or come see us again...either way. We got lots of ammo...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Oh but metaphorically who is at the higher societal level driving shiny new cars and living the American dream?
wool+eyes=you?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Now that's the most intelligent thing you've said all night in this thread.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
No one intentionally regresses.
Apparently there is some nationalistic BS going on/engaged with the Taliban and fundamental Islam, but it was forced.
I recognize it by the wedding band.
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and most sad and true as well.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Now you are trying to side step the universality of pain and suffering by using the scales of standard of living to skew the big picture.
You might not be aware, but a study was done in african tribes who have seen little or not contact with the outside world to see if their emotional expressions were any different from our own.
Emotions are universal. Therefore, beatings over the head in Afghanistan are beatings over the head here.
I know you want so badly to have the last word. At least give yourself the credit of doing so without so obviously trying to change the subject with your disturbingly slanted perspectives.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Awwe, aren't you the empathetical one. I suppose you'd like a cookie. You've earned it.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
straight on to about me eh...haha predictable...
Hey Chachi don't be so cool if you can help it. lol...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
say wha? You are fitting my original perception of you like a glove...oh well...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
powerhit one day.
you, me.
blue skies,
tennis.
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just tennis.
no glove fittings.
of any kind.
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Aaaaaaahahhahaaha....
I'm up for that. My only condition we say nothing or zero instead of love...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I can go for that. Then again, if we say "love", we'll get a laugh out of it.
Since, especially, it will be referenced to your score so often.
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Ohhh ouch...heh quite possible. But I have to warn you my Grandfather built his own tennis court when I was 5 and I used to watch him play all the time...just so you know in advance. I also wear a pleated skirt when I play....is that going to be a problem?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
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Actually I don't do wigs anymore...I found it very hard to concentrate during my local games. Away games were fine no one really noticed me and gawked persistently whilst scratching their heads. Very distracting. I always learned from the Royal Tannenbaum's that you have to feel the Tennis....be the tennis.
Maybe we can hook up with some court-side bunnies for a power hit doubles match. I trust you can play bad enough for the sake of getting laid?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I will second serve my first serve for such.
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That isn't saying much based on your posts in this thread so far. You should honestly look at how you have this tendency to say one thing and mean another, and then backtrack over it after being called on it. You really don't have a full understanding of your own point of view, as evidenced by your sloppy stances. I'm only trying to help.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825