Yhis has nothign to do with Israel or Palestine, so please abandont eh hijack.
What I am sugesting they do is say........
"well fuck, our country has been flattened by theese arsehole Yanks. But hang on, they want to rebuild it. OK, we don't like what just happened, but lets make the most of a shit situation and see how we can improve it"
I was inspired to start this thread after reading the one on teh AET about how good Japanese cars are compared to US made, and how well teh JApanese economy and society in general rebiounded from a dismal end to WW2.
If you want to talk about resentment, don't forget that Japan actually suffered nuclear attacks on two major civilian targets. Compared to that, the Iraqis have nothing to complain aboot.
I am going to go as far as suggesting the Japanese have a superior culture and better moral fibre !!
OMFG!!! LMAO!!!
i would be furious if someone came into my home and flattened and it and then offered to rebuild it. especially considering it was not a given that my house needed to be flattened in the first place. is this like that vietnamese war saying, we had to destroy the village to save it.
it would take me some time to get over the vehemence i felt towards the marauders before i could even look at them let alone work with them.
and excuse me but but to say that the iraqis have nothing to complain about purely because the US deigned NOT to drop a couple of nukes on them is out of line. the entire country is fucked. as for your comment on superior culture and moral fibre i cant even address that right now. that is just so eurocentric its not funny. do you even know any middle eastern history lucy?
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OMFG!!! LMAO!!!
i would be furious if someone came into my home and flattened and it and then offered to rebuild it. especially considering it was not a given that my house needed to be flattened in the first place. is this like that vietnamese war saying, we had to destroy the village to save it.
it would take me some time to get over the vehemence i felt towards the marauders before i could even look at them let alone work with them.
and excuse me but but to say that the iraqis have nothing to complain about purely because the US deigned NOT to drop a couple of nukes on them is out of line. the entire country is fucked. as for your comment on superior culture and moral fibre i cant even address that right now. that is just so eurocentric its not funny. do you even know any middle eastern history lucy?
What is making you say that the entire country is fucked?
"well fuck, our country has been flattened by theese arsehole Yanks. But hang on, they want to rebuild it. OK, we don't like what just happened, but lets make the most of a shit situation and see how we can improve it"
I am going to go as far as suggesting the Japanese have a superior culture and better moral fibre !!
Fine. I am going to go as far as to say that you are racist, whether you believe you are or not. I will go as far as to say that you are ignorant of Middle Eastern culture and politics. This is perfectly understandable given the constant daily attempted brainwashing we receive by our biased and self serving media.
And the Americans didn't rebuild Japan. The Japanese rebuilt Japan. They didn't just lay down their arms and invite the Americans in as friends and benefactors because of some superior moral fibre.
My analogy with Palestine/Israel was obvious.
We are now looking at Palestinian in-fighting, and as with Iraq, I hear a lot of people now talking about the problems of the Middle east being due to some innate barbarous/uncivilized/unmoral quaility. I find it a tad disgusting really.
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1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
OMFG!!! LMAO!!!
i would be furious if someone came into my home and flattened and it and then offered to rebuild it. especially considering it was not a given that my house needed to be flattened in the first place. is this like that vietnamese war saying, we had to destroy the village to save it.
it would take me some time to get over the vehemence i felt towards the marauders before i could even look at them let alone work with them.
and excuse me but but to say that the iraqis have nothing to complain about purely because the US deigned NOT to drop a couple of nukes on them is out of line. the entire country is fucked. as for your comment on superior culture and moral fibre i cant even address that right now. that is just so eurocentric its not funny. do you even know any middle eastern history lucy?
Yeah, I know plenty of history, but how is praising the Japanese eurocentric ??
Thw whole of Japan was fucked too. HAve you ever seen pics fmro that time. Iwent to teh war museum in Canberra once, and saw stuff from Hiroshima. It was chilling !!
I unnderstaand that the Iraqis were pissed, but it's time to get over that. The Yanks were pissed after 9/11 too, but you seem to think they should be over that now.
I didn't say they should be grateful, just that further violence against their own people is not helpful and that getting involved inragther than hinderding reconstruction might be helpful
As for 40 years of occupation of palestine....you make it sound as though the israelis parachuted in with machine guns in hand, forcing its occupants to leave at gunpoint. You know that to not be the case.
Fine. I am going to go as far as to say that you are racist, whether you believe you are or not. I will go as far as to say that you are ignorant of Middle Eastern culture and politics. This is perfectly understandable given the constant daily attempted brainwashing we receive by our biased and self serving media.
Please give an example of an aspect of middle eastern culture/politics that proves otherwise. Point in fact is that an understanding of middle-eastern culture politics would only support said "racism" and "ignorance".
And the Americans didn't rebuild Japan. The Japanese rebuilt Japan. They didn't just lay down their arms and invite the Americans in as friends and benefactors because of some superior moral fibre.
Japan rebuilt Japan with US financing. The US also eliminated the mini-business "factions" that existed prior to the war. This enabled large industry to exist without being eroded from within through internal power struggles as had occurred prior to the war.
The new factories that were built with US dollars consisted of the most modern production and tooling equipment, which enabled Japan to build superior cars and cameras. Had Japan still had the pre-wwII business systems and factories, it would never have become as economically successful as it became. That is, we wouldn't be driving toyotas and hondas.
My analogy with Palestine/Israel was obvious.
We are now looking at Palestinian in-fighting, and as with Iraq, I hear a lot of people now talking about the problems of the Middle east being due to some innate barbarous/uncivilized/unmoral quaility. I find it a tad disgusting really.
What is disgusting is your inability to really counter any of it.
Yeah, I know plenty of history, but how is praising the Japanese eurocentric ??
Thw whole of Japan was fucked too. HAve you ever seen pics fmro that time. Iwent to teh war museum in Canberra once, and saw stuff from Hiroshima. It was chilling !!
I unnderstaand that the Iraqis were pissed, but it's time to get over that. The Yanks were pissed after 9/11 too, but you seem to think they should be over that now.
I didn't say they should be grateful, just that further violence against their own people is not helpful and that getting involved inragther than hinderding reconstruction might be helpful
you are evaluating culture from a eurocentric point of view. you see japan as a success. why is that? because of the fabulous decision to drop nukes on them and the resultant 'recovery.'
you went to the war museum once? well congratulations.
how long does it take to get over being invaded. when should one start to feel grateful for such a fantastic opportuntity? when have i ever said the americans should be over 9/11. jesus christ, i'm not even over 9/11 and im not even american. so i can only imagine what it is like for those directly affected.
its not 'their own' people. why are you seeing iraqis, or the middle east for that matter, has one homogenous blob? the borders defined in the middle east were drawn without regard to traditional or tribal alliances. they were drawn purely for the benefit of the imperialists.
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Yhis has nothign to do with Israel or Palestine, so please abandont eh hijack.
What I am sugesting they do is say........
"well fuck, our country has been flattened by theese arsehole Yanks. But hang on, they want to rebuild it. OK, we don't like what just happened, but lets make the most of a shit situation and see how we can improve it"
I was inspired to start this thread after reading the one on teh AET about how good Japanese cars are compared to US made, and how well teh JApanese economy and society in general rebiounded from a dismal end to WW2.
If you want to talk about resentment, don't forget that Japan actually suffered nuclear attacks on two major civilian targets. Compared to that, the Iraqis have nothing to complain aboot.
I am going to go as far as suggesting the Japanese have a superior culture and better moral fibre !!
I think one of the major differences between Japan and Iraq (appart from the culture (and let's be honest you're thinking religion) and the food) : Japan did not have neighbouring countries willing to fuck things up. Iraq has Iran and Syria very much happy to make sure tension stays fierce there. I stated in another thread that I think that this war benefits everyone around except the US and that I'm sure most of these countries make sure that the chaos continues. That is one big difference.
edit : so just to be clear thats :
japan today = $us + japanese will
iraq today = $us + usbombs + iranbombs + syriabombs + crazy people who come from all the surrounding countries + strong neighbouring influence + lots of oil no one really controls + iraqi will
Please give an example of an aspect of middle eastern culture/politics that proves otherwise.
You're asking me to give an example of an aspect of middle eastern culture which proves why we shouldn't be racist towards them?
No. I'll just let your words speak for themselves instead and let everyone who reads them draw their own conclusions.
Point in fact is that an understanding of middle-eastern culture politics would only support said "racism" and "ignorance".
What is disgusting is your inability to really counter any of it.
So you're saying that it's disgusting that I have failed to counter your racism? O.k, fine. I've failed.
Somehow though, I don't care what you think. In the big scheme of things your personal prejudices seem somewhat irrelevant.
The United States dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and would have easily dropped more. Japan didn't have much choice in the matter.
Iraqis are standing up for themselves a bit, but even though it's not the government doing it. The two aren't comparable at all.
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I unnderstaand that the Iraqis were pissed, but it's time to get over that.
Sweet Jesus, tell me you're kidding. Get over what ?!?....its STILL happening. Every week an errant American bomb wipes out a wedding party or an orphanage full of kids. In some parts of Iraq there is still only 2-3 hours of electricity a day. Security is negligible. There is now a low-grade civil war going on. 1.5 - 2 million Iraqis have now fled the country. Another 2-3 million have been displaced.
All this and much, much more because the U.S. lied its face off to go to war with Iraq. I have a better idea......lets start bombing the liars of this world, and the people in counties who condone this type of shit. And I know exactly where to start....
You're asking me to give an example of an aspect of middle eastern culture which proves why we shouldn't be racist towards them?
No. I'll just let your words speak for themselves instead and let everyone who reads them draw their own conclusions.
So you're saying that it's disgusting that I have failed to counter your racism? O.k, fine. I've failed.
Somehow though, I don't care what you think. In the big scheme of things your personal prejudices seem somewhat irrelevant.
I guess you didn't notice that I put the words racist and ignorance in quotations so as to help you understand how my response related to your blatherings.
It isn't a matter of racism; it's a matter of understanding their culture. It's an understanding that you haven't even remotely begun to demonstrate.
Instead, in your typical fashion, you play the race card and try to act as though whatever empty accusations you make are somehow going to be magically supported by some invisible audience.
You apparently don't understand the topic at hand, but you know enough vocabulary words to make it sound as though you've developed some well thought out point of view on the issue. Too bad.
Sweet Jesus, tell me you're kidding. Get over what ?!?....its STILL happening. Every week an errant American bomb wipes out a wedding party or an orphanage full of kids. In some parts of Iraq there is still only 2-3 hours of electricity a day. Security is negligible. There is now a low-grade civil war going on. 1.5 - 2 million Iraqis have now fled the country. Another 2-3 million have been displaced.
All this and much, much more because the U.S. lied its face off to go to war with Iraq. I have a better idea......lets start bombing the liars of this world, and the people in counties who condone this type of shit. And I know exactly where to start....
In fact, the iraqis hate the violence and destruction of infrastructure so much that they do it to themselves on a daily basis and on an even greater scale. LMAO...talk about shifting the focus the problem. And when was the last time a US bomb killed an entire gathering of people? Weekly basis? You should change your name to exaggerationmonger.
It isn't a matter of racism; it's a matter of understanding their culture. It's an understanding that you haven't even remotely begun to demonstrate.
You apparently don't understand the topic at hand, but you know enough vocabulary words to make it sound as though you've developed some well thought out point of view on the issue. Too bad.
O.k fine. I'll replace the word racism with another 'vocabulary word'; 'Xenophobia'. There, how's that? I hope you feel better now?
Eh, it reminds me of this documentary I saw about some backwoods jury who convicted a doctor of malpractice because it was exactly the opposite of what "expert" testimony had recommended they do.
One of the jurors after the trial said, "Those city folk thought they could come here and make fools out of us with their technical explanations."
Every single person in that jury was so distrustful of non-rural people that they purposely decided in the opposite of what "city-folk" recommended, regardless of the professional and academic backgrounds of said city folk.
A law in that state had to be created just to stop that type of thing from happening in the future. I forgot which state it was.
This sounds like the majority of America and the rest of the world to me....lol
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And when was the last time a US bomb killed an entire gathering of people? Weekly basis? You should change your name to exaggerationmonger.
Iraq: US Data on Civilian Casualties Raises Serious Concerns
April 12, 2007) – US government documents made public by court order raise serious concerns about the number of civilian casualties caused by American soldiers and contractors in Iraq and the standards under which it pays compensation to Iraqi victims, Human Rights Watch said today http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/04/12/iraq15687.htm
I wonder how many US troops kill each other monthly....heck the American troops were killing off Canadian troops at almost a weekly rate at one point in Afghanistan.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Iraq: US Data on Civilian Casualties Raises Serious Concerns
April 12, 2007) – US government documents made public by court order raise serious concerns about the number of civilian casualties caused by American soldiers and contractors in Iraq and the standards under which it pays compensation to Iraqi victims, Human Rights Watch said today http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/04/12/iraq15687.htm
I wonder how many civilian deaths at the hands of U.S troops are not reported? I'd hazard a guess and say that 99% them go unreported.
It was getting so bad in Afghanistan alone that Karzai got fed up and denounced the bombings against his people. And this was Karzai !! But then another happened. And then another. And then another. I think he gave up trying to chastise the Americans for their actions. Between Afghanistan and Iraq, ya, it happens on an almost weekly basis. Its disgusting.
Iraq: US Data on Civilian Casualties Raises Serious Concerns
April 12, 2007) – US government documents made public by court order raise serious concerns about the number of civilian casualties caused by American soldiers and contractors in Iraq and the standards under which it pays compensation to Iraqi victims, Human Rights Watch said today http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/04/12/iraq15687.htm
I wonder how many civilian deaths at the hands of U.S troops are not reported? I'd hazard a guess and say that 99% them go unreported.
I don't know what kind of wedding parties or orphanages you've been to, but I venture to guess that the average attendance at either one of those is well above the 10-15 people that your links cite.
Not to mention, some of the larger numbers were never confirmed by NATO.
I guess that's why you felt like you needed to pump up the big picture with that fantastical percentage representing the supposed "unreported" deaths. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but you might want to ask yourself why you are so eager to take a stance that carries little basis.
So, you never choose to fix anything broken in your home, regardless of who broke it ???
That usually only happens in my house when hyperactive children run around doing foolish things. But if you do break it, plan on fixing it....and if I have to fix it for you ....it's going to be a problem for yourself that you've just created.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
O.k fine. I'll replace the word racism with another 'vocabulary word'; 'Xenophobia'. There, how's that? I hope you feel better now?
Not at all, Byrnzie. I have no problem with the arabs or their religion or culture. Arabs live all around us here and it doesn't bother me at all.
But, I do know that blaming the west for their problems only adds to their problems, and it's exactly what their leaders want them to do so that they remain easily controlled. You either don't know this or don't care. Either way, your avoidance of that aspect of their situation would explain why you have to rely on empty assumptions about my personality in order to explain the contrast between our opinions.
I don't know what kind of wedding parties or orphanages you've been to, but I venture to guess that the average attendance at either one of those is well above the 10-15 people that your links cite.
Not to mention, some of the larger numbers were never confirmed by NATO.
I guess that's why you felt like you needed to pump up the big picture with that fantastical percentage representing the supposed "unreported" deaths. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but you might want to ask yourself why you are so eager to take a stance that carries little basis.
It a bloody good war I'd say. Fucking excellent really. I say more casualties...nothing irks me more than a pussy low casualty war...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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OMFG!!! LMAO!!!
i would be furious if someone came into my home and flattened and it and then offered to rebuild it. especially considering it was not a given that my house needed to be flattened in the first place. is this like that vietnamese war saying, we had to destroy the village to save it.
it would take me some time to get over the vehemence i felt towards the marauders before i could even look at them let alone work with them.
and excuse me but but to say that the iraqis have nothing to complain about purely because the US deigned NOT to drop a couple of nukes on them is out of line. the entire country is fucked. as for your comment on superior culture and moral fibre i cant even address that right now. that is just so eurocentric its not funny. do you even know any middle eastern history lucy?
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What is making you say that the entire country is fucked?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Fine. I am going to go as far as to say that you are racist, whether you believe you are or not. I will go as far as to say that you are ignorant of Middle Eastern culture and politics. This is perfectly understandable given the constant daily attempted brainwashing we receive by our biased and self serving media.
And the Americans didn't rebuild Japan. The Japanese rebuilt Japan. They didn't just lay down their arms and invite the Americans in as friends and benefactors because of some superior moral fibre.
My analogy with Palestine/Israel was obvious.
We are now looking at Palestinian in-fighting, and as with Iraq, I hear a lot of people now talking about the problems of the Middle east being due to some innate barbarous/uncivilized/unmoral quaility. I find it a tad disgusting really.
**For the benefit of the mods. Just in case there's any confusion**:
rac·ism /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Yeah, I know plenty of history, but how is praising the Japanese eurocentric ??
Thw whole of Japan was fucked too. HAve you ever seen pics fmro that time. Iwent to teh war museum in Canberra once, and saw stuff from Hiroshima. It was chilling !!
I unnderstaand that the Iraqis were pissed, but it's time to get over that. The Yanks were pissed after 9/11 too, but you seem to think they should be over that now.
I didn't say they should be grateful, just that further violence against their own people is not helpful and that getting involved inragther than hinderding reconstruction might be helpful
superfluous hyperbole.
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No. They came with gifts of bread and flowers.
Please give an example of an aspect of middle eastern culture/politics that proves otherwise. Point in fact is that an understanding of middle-eastern culture politics would only support said "racism" and "ignorance".
Japan rebuilt Japan with US financing. The US also eliminated the mini-business "factions" that existed prior to the war. This enabled large industry to exist without being eroded from within through internal power struggles as had occurred prior to the war.
The new factories that were built with US dollars consisted of the most modern production and tooling equipment, which enabled Japan to build superior cars and cameras. Had Japan still had the pre-wwII business systems and factories, it would never have become as economically successful as it became. That is, we wouldn't be driving toyotas and hondas.
What is disgusting is your inability to really counter any of it.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
you are evaluating culture from a eurocentric point of view. you see japan as a success. why is that? because of the fabulous decision to drop nukes on them and the resultant 'recovery.'
you went to the war museum once? well congratulations.
how long does it take to get over being invaded. when should one start to feel grateful for such a fantastic opportuntity? when have i ever said the americans should be over 9/11. jesus christ, i'm not even over 9/11 and im not even american. so i can only imagine what it is like for those directly affected.
its not 'their own' people. why are you seeing iraqis, or the middle east for that matter, has one homogenous blob? the borders defined in the middle east were drawn without regard to traditional or tribal alliances. they were drawn purely for the benefit of the imperialists.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I think one of the major differences between Japan and Iraq (appart from the culture (and let's be honest you're thinking religion) and the food) : Japan did not have neighbouring countries willing to fuck things up. Iraq has Iran and Syria very much happy to make sure tension stays fierce there. I stated in another thread that I think that this war benefits everyone around except the US and that I'm sure most of these countries make sure that the chaos continues. That is one big difference.
edit : so just to be clear thats :
japan today = $us + japanese will
iraq today = $us + usbombs + iranbombs + syriabombs + crazy people who come from all the surrounding countries + strong neighbouring influence + lots of oil no one really controls + iraqi will
You're asking me to give an example of an aspect of middle eastern culture which proves why we shouldn't be racist towards them?
No. I'll just let your words speak for themselves instead and let everyone who reads them draw their own conclusions.
So you're saying that it's disgusting that I have failed to counter your racism? O.k, fine. I've failed.
Somehow though, I don't care what you think. In the big scheme of things your personal prejudices seem somewhat irrelevant.
How long were British and American interests supporting puppet governments and extracting oil from beneath Japan?
The answer is real simple:
Japan = Japanese
Iraq = Not Japanese
Hail, Hail!!!
The United States dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and would have easily dropped more. Japan didn't have much choice in the matter.
Iraqis are standing up for themselves a bit, but even though it's not the government doing it. The two aren't comparable at all.
Sweet Jesus, tell me you're kidding. Get over what ?!?....its STILL happening. Every week an errant American bomb wipes out a wedding party or an orphanage full of kids. In some parts of Iraq there is still only 2-3 hours of electricity a day. Security is negligible. There is now a low-grade civil war going on. 1.5 - 2 million Iraqis have now fled the country. Another 2-3 million have been displaced.
All this and much, much more because the U.S. lied its face off to go to war with Iraq. I have a better idea......lets start bombing the liars of this world, and the people in counties who condone this type of shit. And I know exactly where to start....
I guess you didn't notice that I put the words racist and ignorance in quotations so as to help you understand how my response related to your blatherings.
It isn't a matter of racism; it's a matter of understanding their culture. It's an understanding that you haven't even remotely begun to demonstrate.
Instead, in your typical fashion, you play the race card and try to act as though whatever empty accusations you make are somehow going to be magically supported by some invisible audience.
You apparently don't understand the topic at hand, but you know enough vocabulary words to make it sound as though you've developed some well thought out point of view on the issue. Too bad.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
In fact, the iraqis hate the violence and destruction of infrastructure so much that they do it to themselves on a daily basis and on an even greater scale. LMAO...talk about shifting the focus the problem. And when was the last time a US bomb killed an entire gathering of people? Weekly basis? You should change your name to exaggerationmonger.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
O.k fine. I'll replace the word racism with another 'vocabulary word'; 'Xenophobia'. There, how's that? I hope you feel better now?
This sounds like the majority of America and the rest of the world to me....lol
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Iraq: US Data on Civilian Casualties Raises Serious Concerns
April 12, 2007) – US government documents made public by court order raise serious concerns about the number of civilian casualties caused by American soldiers and contractors in Iraq and the standards under which it pays compensation to Iraqi victims, Human Rights Watch said today
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/04/12/iraq15687.htm
British forces killed 15 civilians - May 26, 2007
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1309712.php/Iraqi_deputy_claims_US_British_forces_killed_15_civilians__Roundup_
Civilian deaths 'deeply shame' US - 8 May 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6636343.stm
40 Civilians killed in U.S air strike - 11 May 2007
http://wsws.org/articles/2007/may2007/afgh-m11.shtml
Nato forces kill 'up to 85' civilians in Afghan attack - 27 October 2006
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1932719.ece
US troops kill 6 civilians in Baqubah - 2007-06-16
http://pressesc.com/01182020647_baqubah_bus_strike
Attack that killed kids targeted al-Qaida leader - June 19th, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19318805/
I wonder how many civilian deaths at the hands of U.S troops are not reported? I'd hazard a guess and say that 99% them go unreported.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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It was getting so bad in Afghanistan alone that Karzai got fed up and denounced the bombings against his people. And this was Karzai !! But then another happened. And then another. And then another. I think he gave up trying to chastise the Americans for their actions. Between Afghanistan and Iraq, ya, it happens on an almost weekly basis. Its disgusting.
Both were offered reconstruction.
Both of these countries were flattened by US military action.
Both were offered reconstruction.
in all cases human beings were involved. culture, circumstances are irrelevant
I don't know what kind of wedding parties or orphanages you've been to, but I venture to guess that the average attendance at either one of those is well above the 10-15 people that your links cite.
Not to mention, some of the larger numbers were never confirmed by NATO.
I guess that's why you felt like you needed to pump up the big picture with that fantastical percentage representing the supposed "unreported" deaths. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but you might want to ask yourself why you are so eager to take a stance that carries little basis.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
That usually only happens in my house when hyperactive children run around doing foolish things. But if you do break it, plan on fixing it....and if I have to fix it for you ....it's going to be a problem for yourself that you've just created.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Not at all, Byrnzie. I have no problem with the arabs or their religion or culture. Arabs live all around us here and it doesn't bother me at all.
But, I do know that blaming the west for their problems only adds to their problems, and it's exactly what their leaders want them to do so that they remain easily controlled. You either don't know this or don't care. Either way, your avoidance of that aspect of their situation would explain why you have to rely on empty assumptions about my personality in order to explain the contrast between our opinions.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
It a bloody good war I'd say. Fucking excellent really. I say more casualties...nothing irks me more than a pussy low casualty war...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Iraq will never cooperate with the reconstruction effort because of religious differences between their citizens.
It was easier for Japan to cooperate because they are all one religion and shared a common goal to rebuild their country.
7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula. 5-10-2024 Portland. 5-30-2024 Seattle.
so its religions fault or the american and british government ?