Gunman opens fire at US college

godpt3

Im still here wrote:

so punish the masses for a small percentage of people?

that makes no sense either.......

does it?

welcome to the "real world" kid. Life ain't fair, so get used to it.

godpt3

People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.

Vedderlution_Baby

Im still here wrote:

so punish the masses for a small percentage of people?

that makes no sense either.......

does it?

face it we are not safe, no matter where you go or what you do our Government cannot protect you from everything

honestly I wouldn't want to live in a World like that, would you?

I'm not asking it to protect me from everything. I expect it to be able to protect a kid at school from being shot by an asshole with a gun. I'll ask it again. When does your right to get a gun whenever the hell you want trump the right for someone not to get shot?

Byrnzie

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.

And what do you think it is about U.S society - as opposed to anywhere else - that makes this kind of thing happen?

Im still here

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I'm not asking it to protect me from everything. I expect it to be able to protect a kid at school from being shot by an asshole with a gun. I'll ask it again. When does your right to get a gun whenever the hell you want trump the right for someone not to get shot?

I'm not gonna continue with this

my opinion is if everyone was armed at that school this would not have happened

i will not post on this thread again out of respect for the families of these poor children

Vedderlution_Baby

Im still here wrote:

I'm not gonna continue with this

my opinion is if everyone was armed at that school this would not have happened

i will not post on this thread again out of respect for the families of these poor children

Go ahead and give college students guns. I can guarantee that accidental shootings and suicides will sky rocket. That's probably the worst plan someone could come up with. Seriously. I think you'd have to sit for a long time before you come up with something so ineffective and just plain dangerous than that.

And I don't give a shit if you ever comment anywhere again. Respect for the families. Next time you might not want to start a thread off with "Now, I'm a huge advocate for 2nd amendment rights BUT...blah blah blah." You care more about your guns than you do about anyone's life. Really. You really needed to add in that part about you getting a hard on for guns in a thread dedicated to families just affected by gun violence and expect people to take you seriously. Yea. respect.

bharQ

if everyone was armed, then maybe the gunman would have thought twice about doing what he did... right?

the only difference here is he perhaps would not need to commit suicide after offing as many people as he could

vedhead011

stuckinline wrote:

so is there anything we can do to help you or the other pit members that are directly impacted from this tragedy?

I'm slightly detached, I graduated in '02. But I've been speaking with my fellow alumni over the course of the day and we all feel devastated. Someone told me today that it's fortunate that this didn't happen while we were there, but we feel like a part of us still there. And that part is deeply hurt. It doesn't matter who was there at the time. It still happened, and it's still a tragedy.

Cole Hall is a building that has two large lecture halls that host many General Education classes. It is safe to say that a large majority, if not close to all, current and former NIU students have had a class in the very room that this happened. And it's very creepy to hear the incident being described and be able to perfectly picture the room. I've had the thought in my head that these students were just innocently sitting in their chair, paying attention in class, and then they got shot. In chairs that I have sat in before. It hits close to home. REAL close.

The NIU Family of students, faculty, administration, and alumni is very large. And it is showing itself to be very strong during this difficult time.

The outpouring of support from around the nation is very inspiring. The messages I've heard from Virginia Tech people have been very supportive, and they are appreciated. I've heard on the radio that that campus and others around the country are expressing their support by wearing the colors of NIU, red and black.

Any way that you show this support is helpful. It helps the NIU Family know that people care and are sympathetic to us. We have each other, but it helps to know that we're not alone in our grief.

I'm saddened by what happened at my alma mater, but I'm prouder than ever to be a Huskie.

Thank you.

Vedderlution_Baby

bharQ wrote:

if everyone was armed, then maybe the gunman would have thought twice about doing what he did... right?

the only difference here is he perhaps would not need to commit suicide after offing as many people as he could

Here's the problem with arming everyone, just on a college campus alone. Everyone knows that alcohol runs rampant on pretty much every college campus. Adding guns to a already dangerous mix of alcohol and being at an age when most of us feel like we're untouchable, unstoppable is going to raise accidental deaths past the number of people killed during a campus shooting by itself. Also, college is an extremely, extremely stressful time of life. Most people see the rest of their life riding on one semester or even one final. The depression and feeling of failure when someone doesn't make the grade overwhelms a lot of people and adding a firearm to that would mean that the suicide rate would raise the number of firearm deaths even more.

Its Evolution Baby

bharQ wrote:

if everyone was armed, then maybe the gunman would have thought twice about doing what he did... right?

the only difference here is he perhaps would not need to commit suicide after offing as many people as he could

Ladies and Gentlemen welcome back to the Wild West.

Yeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaawwwwwww.

Cmon we've evolved slightly haven't we???

bharQ

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Here's the problem with arming everyone, just on a college campus alone. Everyone knows that alcohol runs rampant on pretty much every college campus. Adding guns to a already dangerous mix of alcohol and being at an age when most of us feel like we're untouchable, unstoppable is going to raise accidental deaths past the number of people killed during a campus shooting by itself. Also, college is an extremely, extremely stressful time of life. Most people see the rest of their life riding on one semester or even one final. The depression and feeling of failure when someone doesn't make the grade overwhelms a lot of people and adding a firearm to that would mean that the suicide rate would raise the number of firearm deaths even more.

right... before the person had to kill themselves.... with everyone armed they wouldn't even have to do that....it would be an all out rampage

bharQ

lol i think we all agree here... i wasn't supporting arming everyone

melodious

I didn't see this thread yesterday and heard about this in today's a.m. I send my warmest wishes into Grace and hope for a quik recovery to these students.....

callen

godpt3 wrote:

People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.

fk that....

Im still here

godpt3 wrote:

People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.

are you a socialist or a communist?

or maybe even a fascist?

just askin......

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godpt3 wrote:

People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.

Brilliant. We should stigmatize people with mental illness - to the point of likening them to SEX OFFENDERS!! - and then expect them to come forward and get treatment. :rolleyes:

Maybe we should work on providing access to treatment for those who need it.

writersu

tonight on the news it was so sad........
the kid's dad was on asking the reporters to leave him alone because he was ill with diabetes and obviously distressed with all of this.
It gave me a whole different view of the whole situation than I had before; a different perspective than I ever really thought of until now although it is an obvious angle to think of ; the killer's parents.

it was so sad........i feel bad for the father, can you imagine the grief? the responsibility you fight within yourself for the killing his son did as well as the grief he feels for his son's suicide............wow.......

I hope the news reporters don't drag this to the point of repulsion. It is important news but after a while it becomes nauseating when they sensationalise all of it.

KosmicJelli

It was very sad to see the shooters dad cry...

KosmicJelli

godpt3 wrote:

People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.

sure.. shall we register everyone? How fucking ridiculous!

By the way...If you have been reportedly mentally ill you cannot get a "FOID" <firearms card> card in Illinois...

pushmepullme

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what gives them the right to just shoot people?

Your right to bear arms does...I bet if you banned handguns, school shootings would drop to 0.

But hey at least these kids are dying for your rights hey???