I'd actually like to see some figures of how many of the gun deaths in the U.S. were by Illegals or by people defending their life or property.
Not all gun deaths are suicidal maniacs, or even criminals.
There is such a thing as Justifiable Homicide........
and what about all the crimes that were avoided just because someone saw the business end of a rifle or pistol. No one could possibly keep statistics of this.
there's so many variables, I just don't think it's as simple as ban the guns and it will fix it.........
I'd actually like to see some figures of how many of the gun deaths in the U.S. were by Illegals or by people defending their life or property.
Not all gun deaths are suicidal maniacs, or even criminals.
There is such a thing as Justifiable Homicide........
and what about all the crimes that were avoided just because someone saw the business end of a rifle or pistol. No one could possibly keep statistics of this.
there's so many variables, I just don't think it's as simple as ban the guns and it will fix it.........
in 1997 we banned handguns... since that date not one person has been killed by one.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
1. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 richest industrialized countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)
2. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14)
3. The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04).
Firearm-related Deaths
* Of all violent child deaths, a firearm was involved in 1,107 cases.
* Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20% as suicides; 22% unintentional; and, 3% undetermined intention.
* 86% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the U.S. The rate in the U.S. was 12 times the rate of all other countries combined.
* The rate for firearms-related homicide was 16 times higher in the U.S., the rate for firearms suicide was 11 times higher, and the rate for unintentional firearm deaths was nine times higher.
* Rates among other countries varied substantially, for example, there were no firearm-related deaths in five of the 26 countries. One of which was Scotland.
even wearing your "america is no.1" t-shirt and waving your flag around cant you see that the US has a huge gun problem... cant you see that? please answer this question with honesty for me.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
1. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 richest industrialized countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)
2. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14)
3. The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04).
Firearm-related Deaths
* Of all violent child deaths, a firearm was involved in 1,107 cases.
* Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20% as suicides; 22% unintentional; and, 3% undetermined intention.
* 86% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the U.S. The rate in the U.S. was 12 times the rate of all other countries combined.
* The rate for firearms-related homicide was 16 times higher in the U.S., the rate for firearms suicide was 11 times higher, and the rate for unintentional firearm deaths was nine times higher.
* Rates among other countries varied substantially, for example, there were no firearm-related deaths in five of the 26 countries. One of which was Scotland.
even wearing your "america is no.1" t-shirt and waving your flag around cant you see that the US has a huge gun problem... cant you see that? please answer this question with honesty for me.
that report is 6 years old, it also says no-one was killed with a handgun... it also gives examples of air-gun crime, which is something we lump in with all gun crime..
trust me.. not one single one of those deaths was caused by a handgun... thats government fact... and as people who know me on here will attest.. i work for the Scottish Government.. i know this.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
that report is 6 years old, it also says no-one was killed with a handgun... it also gives examples of air-gun crime, which is something we lump in with all gun crime..
trust me.. not one single one of those deaths was caused by a handgun... thats government fact... and as people who know me on here will attest.. i work for the Scottish Government.. i know this.
you cant ever answer the points i put up.... which were from a report by your own country on the deaths of kids aged 1-15.. therefore yet again Scotland wins... i've beat you.. your retorts are weak and puny.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I know that the kid that did the shooting was very messed up and caused a lot of fear and grief, but that said, I thought it was sad that the news clip said that his body was already cremated and the quote was, "there will be no memorial to celebrate his life".
I could only think of the fact that when he was born he had to have a family
be overjoyed. And when he was a little boy he had to have parents who played with him and songs he sang and the things he wanted to be when he grew up. etc. I just couldn't help but wonder when he fell off the face of the earth so to speak and become a killer.
I know he was a murderer and again, I know that he did horrible things but he was a young man, and although for all I know he was a nutcase, but is it tragic for someone to be him as well as the victims?
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I know that the kid that did the shooting was very messed up and caused a lot of fear and grief, but that said, I thought it was sad that the news clip said that his body was already cremated and the quote was, "there will be no memorial to celebrate his life".
I could only think of the fact that when he was born he had to have a family
be overjoyed. And when he was a little boy he had to have parents who played with him and songs he sang and the things he wanted to be when he grew up. etc. I just couldn't help but wonder when he fell off the face of the earth so to speak and become a killer.
I know he was a murderer and again, I know that he did horrible things but he was a young man, and although for all I know he was a nutcase, but is it tragic for someone to be him as well as the victims?
I'm with you here. And this is why I'm against the death penalty. Although even to begin mentioning the death penalty is getting off track.
To back-step, I'm with you. Nothing is black and white.
I understand your perspective.
I think it it comes down to the urge to reach out and catch that person before they fall off the edge of the cliff...a bit like holden caulfield saving Pheobe in 'The catcher in the Rye'...or maybe I'm stretching things?
Anyway It's presumptuousness to paint anybody in any particular colour too quickly.
Nobody was born either good or evil. And personally I regard both terms as non-sensical..absurd, even.
In my opinion it comes down to ignorance...and/or up-bringing. I don't think anyone's inherently bad...just deluded/misinformed.
Except certain Republicans/Conservatives...These pigs should be castrated, and flogged like rabid whart hogs, before being covered in peanut butter and chicken feed, and thrown into Tralagar Square to be summarily pecked to death by pigeons.
...but then, that's just my humble opinion.
I'm with you here. And this is why I'm against the death penalty. Although even to begin mentioning the death penalty is getting off track.
To back-step, I'm with you. Nothing is black and white.
I understand your perspective.
I think it it comes down to the urge to reach out and catch that person before they fall off the edge of the cliff...a bit like holden caulfield saving Pheobe in 'The catcher in the Rye'...or maybe I'm stretching things?
Anyway It's presumptuousness to paint anybody in any particular colour too quickly.
Nobody was born either good or evil. And personally I regard both terms as non-sensical..absurd, even.
In my opinion it comes down to ignorance...and/or up-bringing. I don't think anyone's inherently bad...just deluded/misinformed.
Except certain Republicans/Conservatives...These pigs should be castrated, and flogged like rabid whart hogs, before being covered in peanut butter and chicken feed, and thrown into Tralagar Square to be summarily pecked to death by pigeons.
...but then, that's just my humble opinion.
yeah, all of the story is a loss........and a waste of such young lives. I also think the mental health community needs to take a look at thier own system because the news reported that the shooter was hospitalized for mental health problems at least once (from the info I saw). I understand that we can all "snap" at any time, I can't help but wonder whether or not the dr's that helped him knew about the tendencies he had toward violence.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Lord beer me strength....
to not fight with people on a message board when they say ridiculous things. C'mon 'I'm still here', i lived in Australia for 24 years, show me a reputable link where you found the information stating that in Australia, crime has increased by 200% and ALL guns are banned. Show me.
hey PJ_Gurl........
you will lose your spelling bee title with spelling like that.......
(kidding dear friend.........really)
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack
they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit
at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life
there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns
that's an actual life experience, argue that away
I totally hear you and understand what you are saying; that you have ACTUAL experience with people that were mentally unstable and also had guns but did not do such things. I know that you are speaking from a place of knowledge not hypothetical issues so I respect that you know what you are talking about.
But after I have said that, I still cannot help but think of all teenagers when I am concerned about them taking their own lives, without the NIU drama of taking others out with them; just the suicide factor. How can I know what will make an otherwise stable person snap and kill themselves? And how can we be sure that someone that is just acting out isn't truly moving quickly toward killing themselves? I can't make that discernment.
As well, I can't say that I am 100% sure that any other people will be as safe as your uncles were to trust with a gun.
Granted I am speaking from a place of ignorance; a true place of not knowing what you know, but I just wonder how we can be sure that others won't do like he did.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
you cant ever answer the points i put up.... which were from a report by your own country on the deaths of kids aged 1-15.. therefore yet again Scotland wins... i've beat you.. your retorts are weak and puny.
I own an Armalite AR-50.
I just thought I'd tell you that.
I don't expect you to know what that is or even be interested enought to look it up.
I just wanted to let you know how deeply I respect the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and the protections it grants our citizens.
I don't expect you to know what that is or even be interested enought to look it up.
I just wanted to let you know how deeply I respect the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and the protections it grants our citizens.
i dont give a fuck what you own.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
in 1997 we banned handguns... since that date not one person has been killed by one.
what was the murder rate in england before that? im willing to bet it was still significantly lower than the US.
guns are only a factor here. the fact is, america is a violent society. the problem runs far deeper. banning guns will not stop the violence of this society.
what was the murder rate in england before that? im willing to bet it was still significantly lower than the US.
guns are only a factor here. the fact is, america is a violent society. the problem runs far deeper. banning guns will not stop the violence of this society.
No, and banning nuclear weapons won't stop all the violence in the world, but it'll prevent the world disappearing in a mushroom cloud.
Nobodys walked into a school or college and murdered 35 people with their bare hands, or with a knife.
what was the murder rate in england before that? im willing to bet it was still significantly lower than the US.
guns are only a factor here. the fact is, america is a violent society. the problem runs far deeper. banning guns will not stop the violence of this society.
I live in Scotland amigo... i have no figures for England
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
in 1997 we banned handguns... since that date not one person has been killed by one.
I dont think that is true. There was a story in the paper the other day about a killing that happened not far from me and it was three people being shot with handguns in a gang attack and one of them died. That's just one, i can think of a few others as well though.
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
I dont think that is true. There was a story in the paper the other day about a killing that happened not far from me and it was three people being shot with handguns in a gang attack and one of them died. That's just one, i can think of a few others as well though.
were those actual handgun murders? cos the stats on the number of homicides by a handgun always show as 0 (in terms of like a colt 45 type handgun) ... i get figures coming up for airguns (of all types) as well as shotguns, etc... but actual handguns i get nothing?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
were those actual handgun murders? cos the stats on the number of homicides by a handgun always show as 0 (in terms of like a colt 45 type handgun) ... i get figures coming up for airguns (of all types) as well as shotguns, etc... but actual handguns i get nothing?
No, and banning nuclear weapons won't stop all the violence in the world, but it'll prevent the world disappearing in a mushroom cloud.
Nobodys walked into a school or college and murdered 35 people with their bare hands, or with a knife.
that's assuming people still can't get guns. fact is, it's a helluva lot easier to control the UK's borders than ours. last i checked, we had a little bit more coastline. we also share very long borders with mexico and canada (a country that has as many guns per capita, yet somehow far fewer deaths). if 19 year olds can bring booze back from canada regularly and people can bring drugs in huge quantities across the mexican border, i doubt it would make too dramatic a difference to ban gun sales. on top of that, there are so many here right now we could keep them circulating for a good long while. trying to repossess them would be a nightmare.
ps. dunk... dont act like england/scotland makes a difference to us. all you UK'ers are the same in any way that matters
quite happy to be corrected my friend... the Scottish Governements stats only go up to 2004.. this happened after that i believe.
and all you americans couldnt point to the UK on a map nevermind know the countries that make it up
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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Not all gun deaths are suicidal maniacs, or even criminals.
There is such a thing as Justifiable Homicide........
and what about all the crimes that were avoided just because someone saw the business end of a rifle or pistol. No one could possibly keep statistics of this.
there's so many variables, I just don't think it's as simple as ban the guns and it will fix it.........
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
in 1997 we banned handguns... since that date not one person has been killed by one.
2. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14)
3. The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04).
Firearm-related Deaths
* Of all violent child deaths, a firearm was involved in 1,107 cases.
* Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20% as suicides; 22% unintentional; and, 3% undetermined intention.
* 86% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the U.S. The rate in the U.S. was 12 times the rate of all other countries combined.
* The rate for firearms-related homicide was 16 times higher in the U.S., the rate for firearms suicide was 11 times higher, and the rate for unintentional firearm deaths was nine times higher.
* Rates among other countries varied substantially, for example, there were no firearm-related deaths in five of the 26 countries. One of which was Scotland.
even wearing your "america is no.1" t-shirt and waving your flag around cant you see that the US has a huge gun problem... cant you see that? please answer this question with honesty for me.
that is a lie
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/2413223.stm
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
source?
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
that report is 6 years old, it also says no-one was killed with a handgun... it also gives examples of air-gun crime, which is something we lump in with all gun crime..
trust me.. not one single one of those deaths was caused by a handgun... thats government fact... and as people who know me on here will attest.. i work for the Scottish Government.. i know this.
http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm
that explains everything
you are part of the problem
'nuff said
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
yeah whatever man.. . fuck this shit argument..
you cant ever answer the points i put up.... which were from a report by your own country on the deaths of kids aged 1-15.. therefore yet again Scotland wins... i've beat you.. your retorts are weak and puny.
I could only think of the fact that when he was born he had to have a family
be overjoyed. And when he was a little boy he had to have parents who played with him and songs he sang and the things he wanted to be when he grew up. etc. I just couldn't help but wonder when he fell off the face of the earth so to speak and become a killer.
I know he was a murderer and again, I know that he did horrible things but he was a young man, and although for all I know he was a nutcase, but is it tragic for someone to be him as well as the victims?
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I'm with you here. And this is why I'm against the death penalty. Although even to begin mentioning the death penalty is getting off track.
To back-step, I'm with you. Nothing is black and white.
I understand your perspective.
I think it it comes down to the urge to reach out and catch that person before they fall off the edge of the cliff...a bit like holden caulfield saving Pheobe in 'The catcher in the Rye'...or maybe I'm stretching things?
Anyway It's presumptuousness to paint anybody in any particular colour too quickly.
Nobody was born either good or evil. And personally I regard both terms as non-sensical..absurd, even.
In my opinion it comes down to ignorance...and/or up-bringing. I don't think anyone's inherently bad...just deluded/misinformed.
Except certain Republicans/Conservatives...These pigs should be castrated, and flogged like rabid whart hogs, before being covered in peanut butter and chicken feed, and thrown into Tralagar Square to be summarily pecked to death by pigeons.
...but then, that's just my humble opinion.
yeah, all of the story is a loss........and a waste of such young lives. I also think the mental health community needs to take a look at thier own system because the news reported that the shooter was hospitalized for mental health problems at least once (from the info I saw). I understand that we can all "snap" at any time, I can't help but wonder whether or not the dr's that helped him knew about the tendencies he had toward violence.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
hey PJ_Gurl........
you will lose your spelling bee title with spelling like that.......
(kidding dear friend.........really)
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
sounds like a very frightening movie.......
thank God we all seem to manage somehow as times change........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I totally hear you and understand what you are saying; that you have ACTUAL experience with people that were mentally unstable and also had guns but did not do such things. I know that you are speaking from a place of knowledge not hypothetical issues so I respect that you know what you are talking about.
But after I have said that, I still cannot help but think of all teenagers when I am concerned about them taking their own lives, without the NIU drama of taking others out with them; just the suicide factor. How can I know what will make an otherwise stable person snap and kill themselves? And how can we be sure that someone that is just acting out isn't truly moving quickly toward killing themselves? I can't make that discernment.
As well, I can't say that I am 100% sure that any other people will be as safe as your uncles were to trust with a gun.
Granted I am speaking from a place of ignorance; a true place of not knowing what you know, but I just wonder how we can be sure that others won't do like he did.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
so, again, how would we know? I am truly asking you; not challenging you please know.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Thanks for making me smile!
I own an Armalite AR-50.
I just thought I'd tell you that.
I don't expect you to know what that is or even be interested enought to look it up.
I just wanted to let you know how deeply I respect the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and the protections it grants our citizens.
i dont give a fuck what you own.
Is that a technical term for a penis extension?
what was the murder rate in england before that? im willing to bet it was still significantly lower than the US.
guns are only a factor here. the fact is, america is a violent society. the problem runs far deeper. banning guns will not stop the violence of this society.
No, and banning nuclear weapons won't stop all the violence in the world, but it'll prevent the world disappearing in a mushroom cloud.
Nobodys walked into a school or college and murdered 35 people with their bare hands, or with a knife.
I just think it's kind of funny it was invented by a Stoner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner
I know it's not cool, but I actually like the M14.
I live in Scotland amigo... i have no figures for England
I dont think that is true. There was a story in the paper the other day about a killing that happened not far from me and it was three people being shot with handguns in a gang attack and one of them died. That's just one, i can think of a few others as well though.
were those actual handgun murders? cos the stats on the number of homicides by a handgun always show as 0 (in terms of like a colt 45 type handgun) ... i get figures coming up for airguns (of all types) as well as shotguns, etc... but actual handguns i get nothing?
This is the story here.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.2072751.0.0.php
There was also a guy shot dead with a handgun near Cardonald College in Glasgow not too long ago from what i remember.
someone just got bitch slapped with the facts.
ps. dunk... dont act like england/scotland makes a difference to us. all you UK'ers are the same in any way that matters
that's assuming people still can't get guns. fact is, it's a helluva lot easier to control the UK's borders than ours. last i checked, we had a little bit more coastline. we also share very long borders with mexico and canada (a country that has as many guns per capita, yet somehow far fewer deaths). if 19 year olds can bring booze back from canada regularly and people can bring drugs in huge quantities across the mexican border, i doubt it would make too dramatic a difference to ban gun sales. on top of that, there are so many here right now we could keep them circulating for a good long while. trying to repossess them would be a nightmare.
quite happy to be corrected my friend... the Scottish Governements stats only go up to 2004.. this happened after that i believe.
and all you americans couldnt point to the UK on a map nevermind know the countries that make it up