Yeah, I totally know what you mean. I think anyone could become desperate or "crazy" given the right circumstances. I think any one of us could commit murder if pushed to the breaking point - whatever point that is for each of us. The question, I guess, is how that point gets defined so differently for different people.
I feel like we're brought up to believe in justice and fairness and hard work paying off. And then it turns out that life's not fair. I think for some people it seems hopeless at times, especially because of the consumer culture in the U.S.
Too bad income isn't in direct proportion to how hard you work or how valuable that work is. My mom's a teacher and she makes shit. Always has; always will - it's the American way. Donald Trump on the other hand - well I don't really know what he does, but he makes like a million times more than my mom. Does he work a million times harder? Is his work a million times more valuable? Of course not.
I can see where kids - or adults - could become disillusioned with the system after being told (by society or the media or whoever) that they are supposed to live like Donald Trump and that he is valuable because he is rich, and then realizing that they will never achieve that level no matter how hard they work. I could see where they could become depressed. I could see where they might just say "Fuck it" to the ideas of justice and fairness and hard work paying off, and to the idea that life is valuable. :( (To be clear, I'm not saying that this line of reasoning is appropriate.)
(Of course, I'm just talking about the closed system of this country. If we looked at the world as a whole, all Americans probably actually have wealth beyond what might be considered our share. But our consumer culture only shows us what we don't - and supposedly should - have, not what we do have.)
I had another thought that might include some of our mental health problems and the possible reason that we are mentally fucked up............
It occurred to me how hard it is for people to take responsibility for pretty much anything that happens in life.......... I know we could point to our parents or certain tragedies that have been inflicted upon certain individuals that have been hard to deal with,I am sure ,but I mean the fact the a lot of people treat tv stars, musicians, comedians, etc. like they are the people responsible for the raising of their kids not the parents themselves. That seems to be happening a lot in general........no can take their own responsibilities as their own.
just a thought..........
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Together we will float like angels.........
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It's the fourth shooting at an American school in a week. The others were:
Feb. 12: A 14-year-old boy shot a 15-year-old boy in a classroom at E.O. Green Junior High School in Oxnard, Calif. The victim was declared brain dead at hospital.
Feb. 11: A 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically injuring a student during gym class at Mitchell High School in Memphis, Tenn.
Feb. 8: A nursing student opened fire at the Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge, killing two students before killing herself.
can you stop quoting HOMICIDE RATES??? this thread is about gun crime and gun control.. and on that point alone Scotland beats the US hands down.. no contest, 100% fact and not opinion at all.
and i'm saying we are better than you at not killing each other with A GUN!!!.. and if i have to repeat YET AGAIN that the figures you are quoting are for ALL TYPES OF HOMICIDE and NOT GUN RELATED then i'll explode.. stick to the topic of this thread!!! if you want to start a new one giving facts about high stabbing rates in the UK then feel free... but this aint the right thread.
we have a high murder rate (although if you breakdown those stats you'll see that about 80-90% of all scottish homicides occur in the 2 cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh) but our gun crime rate is fantastically lower than yours... fantastically... its about 0.06% per 100,000 people.. the US is about 5.5% per 100,000... thats a huge difference... its vast
So you're saying it's ok to kill people as long as you don't use a gun?
So you're saying it's ok to kill people as long as you don't use a gun?
hahahahahahaha
.....and that makes sense?
cant you read?
does scotland have a high murder rate = yes
does scotland have a problem with gang culture = yes
is there an issue with deaths caused by knives = yes
do people in scotland see this as an issue = yes
are we doing something about it? = yes
how many people have died as a result of a handgun since 1997 = 0
in 1997 scotland banned handguns... why? = some gay pedophile shot 16 tiny kids in a school because he was a mental fuckwit.
so since that date not one person has been killed by a handgun = no.. not one
but you do have a problem with other crime/drugs/etc = yes, this is not Utopia
but Scotland is awesome isnt it Dunk? why is this? - cos i fucking live there
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
the NRA's response was about as ridiculous as they come, basically that gun laws should be MORE liberal, allowing MORE people to carry them, so that they could have DEFENDED themselves against the gunman. yeah, that's EXACTLY what i want on the college campus i send my kid to: more hormone-driven frat boys packing heat, so there can be a wild west shoot out on the frisbee field. :rolleyes:
isn't that what we pay police to do? aren't the costs of security personnel and security measures a part of our ever-rising tuition costs? let's face it, this sort of thing cannot be 100% predicted OR prevented, but i feel a whole lot safer sending my son to a college that has decent security than knowing that his classmates are the ones we're counting on to defend him in the one in a million chance that some loser will decide to rampage the campus to avenge some love triangle/frat slighting/teacher's comment, etc etc.
i feel very, very sad for the families of those killed. but as a society, we need to realize that there will always be screwballs in the world. we need to accept that and take whatever measures we can to be safe, then carry on with life.
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I am glad that people are able to express their opinions here- no matter what those opinions may be. I just hope that you are able to act upon them, and find a way to create something positive out of this negative.
With that being said, I am here at NIU, waiting to go back to class on Monday. I feel overwhelmed at how this community has come together, and the outpouring of emotions expressed by so many people. Thank you.
Please cherish and respect those you love, but more importantly, find it in your heart to extend this to the strangers that surround you everyday of your life.
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does scotland have a high murder rate = yes
does scotland have a problem with gang culture = yes
is there an issue with deaths caused by knives = yes
do people in scotland see this as an issue = yes
are we doing something about it? = yes
how many people have died as a result of a handgun since 1997 = 0
in 1997 scotland banned handguns... why? = some gay pedophile shot 16 tiny kids in a school because he was a mental fuckwit.
so since that date not one person has been killed by a handgun = no.. not one
but you do have a problem with other crime/drugs/etc = yes, this is not Utopia
but Scotland is awesome isnt it Dunk? why is this? - cos i fucking live there
what's next, are you gonna ban knives in Scotland?
I am glad that people are able to express their opinions here- no matter what those opinions may be. I just hope that you are able to act upon them, and find a way to create something positive out of this negative.
With that being said, I am here at NIU, waiting to go back to class on Monday. I feel overwhelmed at how this community has come together, and the outpouring of emotions expressed by so many people. Thank you.
Please cherish and respect those you love, but more importantly, find it in your heart to extend this to the strangers that surround you everyday of your life.
Well said. I'm so sorry you and your community have had to endure such tragedy. :(
what's next, are you gonna ban knives in Scotland?
That wouldn't be a bad idea. Why should teenagers be allowed to walk the streets carrying knives? Khife crime in Britain - especially in London is a big problem right now. Practically every week now a kid gets stabbed to death over here.
Example:
A murder inquiry has begun after a boy was stabbed to death, becoming the fifth teenager to be killed in London this year.
The 16-year-old was found with fatal stab wounds in Invermore Place, Woolwich, south-east London on Tuesday.
Officers were called to the scene on Tuesday at 1615 GMT. It is thought the victim was involved in a row with a group before he died.
Police said they had an open mind about a motive for the killing.
A Met spokeswoman said: "At this early stage it is believed the male may have been in an altercation with a group of black males prior to receiving his injuries."
Paul Whisker, who called the emergency services, said he had found the boy bleeding heavily when he was on his way home.
He said he had tried to stem the bleeding, along with another member of the public, before the emergency services arrived.
Witnesses spoke of how they saw up to four youths running from the scene after the attack.
Other residents said the estate was "deadly" and there had been a series of serious incidents in recent weeks.
But Mr Whisker, who has lived in the are for 19 years, added: "It is normally quite good around here, this is the worst we've had around this area."
A large area has been cordoned off around the scene, between Invermore Place and Villas Road, with forensic examiners working in a tent erected over where the boy died.
A post-mortem examination of the victim's body is yet to be carried out.
well if you ban knives I'd like to see you eat steak or make a meal
oh you mean actually use the knife for the purpose its designed for... whats wrong with that? and you want to have a gun for what reason? to kill people, which is what it was designed to do...
people are banned from walking around the streets carrying knives already.. kids under 16 are banned from buying knives.
you are just routinely and blatantly ignoring every good point i make and then make one small point, which i always answer i might add, just to try and trip me up....
here's the facts (which of course you and others like you will ignore.. .as usual)
1. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)
2. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14)
3. The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04).
Firearm-related Deaths
* Of all violent child deaths, a firearm was involved in 1,107 cases.
* Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20% as suicides; 22% unintentional; and, 3% undetermined intention.
* 86% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the U.S. The rate in the U.S. was 12 times the rate of all other countries combined.
* The rate for firearms-related homicide was 16 times higher in the U.S., the rate for firearms suicide was 11 times higher, and the rate for unintentional firearm deaths was nine times higher.
* Rates among other countries varied substantially, for example, there were no firearm-related deaths in five of the 26 countries. One of which was Scotland.
ignore as usual...
Scotland > America
we have:-
Free Healthcare for everyone
Free Transport for over 65's
Free Education for anyone born in Scotland right upto and including University
Free Eye Tests for everybody
Free glasses for those aged upto 16
Free Dental Care up to the age of 16 and for those in further education
Since 1997 not one person has died from a handgun
just keep on ignoring all of this though... go and search for a link that shows Scotland has 3 drug dealers or something.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh you mean actually use the knife for the purpose its designed for... whats wrong with that? and you want to have a gun for what reason? to kill people, which is what it was designed to do...
people are banned from walking around the streets carrying knives already.. kids under 16 are banned from buying knives.
you are just routinely and blatantly ignoring every good point i make and then make one small point, which i always answer i might add, just to try and trip me up....
here's the facts (which of course you and others like you will ignore.. .as usual)
1. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)
2. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14)
3. The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04).
Firearm-related Deaths
* Of all violent child deaths, a firearm was involved in 1,107 cases.
* Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20% as suicides; 22% unintentional; and, 3% undetermined intention.
* 86% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the U.S. The rate in the U.S. was 12 times the rate of all other countries combined.
* The rate for firearms-related homicide was 16 times higher in the U.S., the rate for firearms suicide was 11 times higher, and the rate for unintentional firearm deaths was nine times higher.
* Rates among other countries varied substantially, for example, there were no firearm-related deaths in five of the 26 countries. One of which was Scotland.
ignore as usual...
Scotland > America
we have:-
Free Healthcare for everyone
Free Transport for over 65's
Free Education for anyone born in Scotland right upto and including University
Free Eye Tests for everybody
Free glasses for those aged upto 16
Free Dental Care up to the age of 16 and for those in further education
Since 1997 not one person has died from a handgun
just keep on ignoring all of this though... go and search for a link that shows Scotland has 3 drug dealers or something.
How can you possibly compare any other Country with the good old U.S. of A.?
We are a breed all our own.........
Anyway Americans love their guns, good luck tryin to ban guns here, we're not like your Country, we actually fought for our Independence.
How can you possibly compare any other Country with the good old U.S. of A.?
We are a breed all our own.........
Anyway Americans love their guns, good luck tryin to ban guns here, we're not like your Country, we actually fought for our Independence.
he he it is funny what you are proud of.. we fought for our independance? We ran away and then took advantage of our enourmous good fortune by finding a great land inhabited by peope we could easy pillage...
be proud of the pretence we have to grow on because we are giant cowards afraid of the truth.
We are a giant infant holding dangerous weapone.. well will be easily defeated - they all just sit waiting for enough mistakes and they will come in a pillage us as we did native americans.. and we will deserve it for our brutality and ignorance..
but be proud - we got to kill a bunch of Iraqis while we did hold the most weapons.
he he it is funny what you are proud of.. we fought for our independance? We ran away and then took advantage of our enourmous good fortune by finding a great land inhabited by peope we could easy pillage...
be proud of the pretence we have to grow on because we are giant cowards afraid of the truth.
We are a giant infant holding dangerous weapone.. well will be easily defeated - they all just sit waiting for enough mistakes and they will come in a pillage us as we did native americans.. and we will deserve it for our brutality and ignorance..
but be proud - we got to kill a bunch of Iraqis while we did hold the most weapons.
American citizens own 70 million guns (not the military)
the only way anyone will attack us is with a missile, and maybe you haven't realized but we have a missile shield in place
we are even putting a missile shield in Poland
maybe you should do some more research
btw: I do not support Bush or his Illegal War
maybe you should read some of my post before you go shooting your mouth off
oh we sure will be attacked.. if it were only that simple ... we make blunder after blunder and are so much more vulnerable to a series of small attacks that will weaken and we will few allies - as we are murderous animals
That wouldn't be a bad idea. Why should teenagers be allowed to walk the streets carrying knives? Khife crime in Britain - especially in London is a big problem right now. Practically every week now a kid gets stabbed to death over here.
Example:
A murder inquiry has begun after a boy was stabbed to death, becoming the fifth teenager to be killed in London this year.
The 16-year-old was found with fatal stab wounds in Invermore Place, Woolwich, south-east London on Tuesday.
Officers were called to the scene on Tuesday at 1615 GMT. It is thought the victim was involved in a row with a group before he died.
Police said they had an open mind about a motive for the killing.
A Met spokeswoman said: "At this early stage it is believed the male may have been in an altercation with a group of black males prior to receiving his injuries."
Paul Whisker, who called the emergency services, said he had found the boy bleeding heavily when he was on his way home.
He said he had tried to stem the bleeding, along with another member of the public, before the emergency services arrived.
Witnesses spoke of how they saw up to four youths running from the scene after the attack.
Other residents said the estate was "deadly" and there had been a series of serious incidents in recent weeks.
But Mr Whisker, who has lived in the are for 19 years, added: "It is normally quite good around here, this is the worst we've had around this area."
A large area has been cordoned off around the scene, between Invermore Place and Villas Road, with forensic examiners working in a tent erected over where the boy died.
A post-mortem examination of the victim's body is yet to be carried out.
Its crazy what's happening in London at the moment, although i find the lack of media interest in the fact that its been happening in Glasgow for years rather strange, but that's a whole different issue. Last week there was a news flash on Sky news about a fight in London between a group of teenagers and two were stabbed but survived. The next day i was talking to someone in work who knew a teenager who'd been stabbed to death not far from where i stay on the same day of the Sky news flash. Dont think i even saw anything in the local news that day!!
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
the only way anyone will attack us is with a missile, and maybe you haven't realized but we have a missile shield in place
we are even putting a missile shield in Poland
maybe you should do some more research
btw: I do not support Bush or his Illegal War
maybe you should read some of my post before you go shooting your mouth off
funny again .. you don't support him and his illegal war - but are strong for "right to bear arms" which likely drove you to vote for that infant even for his second term..
say you are against it and you are absolved of the sin?
That wouldn't be a bad idea. Why should teenagers be allowed to walk the streets carrying knives? Khife crime in Britain - especially in London is a big problem right now. Practically every week now a kid gets stabbed to death over here.
that's bad as well, but at least person can escape from knife more easily than a gun
How can you possibly compare any other Country with the good old U.S. of A.?
quite easily.. i count the number of dead and compare that against the number of dead PER CAPITA in my country and we absolutely fucking destroy you in that regard.. we win easily.. no contest... so thats how easy it is to compare... do you think america is incomparable? get a reality check...
Anyway Americans love their guns, good luck tryin to ban guns here, we're not like your Country, we actually fought for our Independence.
thanks for ignoring all the things we are better at than your country.. my country fought for its independence long before America was 'discovered'
willful ignorance
1. (idiomatic), also called vincible ignorance is a bad faith decision to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
It's very difficult to get hold of a gun in England. Very difficult. And a college student who cracks, will not have the abilty to simply go and grab a gun and then go shooting people at random. It's just not possible over here. He would need to have his wits about him to find a gun. That's the difference. And it's a big difference.
I honestly dont think its as difficult as you make out. Its not as easy as the US, but its not difficult.
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
I honestly dont think its as difficult as you make out. Its not as easy as the US, but its not difficult.
dude you live in Glasgow, the give a gun away with 6 tokens from the Daily Record
seriously.. it might be easier in Manchester, London or Glasgow.. but nationally... its pretty much impossible to try and get a gun..
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
dude you live in Glasgow, the give a gun away with 6 tokens from the Daily Record
seriously.. it might be easier in Manchester, London or Glasgow.. but nationally... its pretty much impossible to try and get a gun..
Yeah, that's what i mean, mainly in cities its not that difficult. If you wanted one you could get one. Thankfully the kids about here just stab each other for fun rather than shoot each other!!
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
we are, we are a mixture of every nationality on Earth
exactly the same as the UK then.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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I had another thought that might include some of our mental health problems and the possible reason that we are mentally fucked up............
It occurred to me how hard it is for people to take responsibility for pretty much anything that happens in life.......... I know we could point to our parents or certain tragedies that have been inflicted upon certain individuals that have been hard to deal with,I am sure ,but I mean the fact the a lot of people treat tv stars, musicians, comedians, etc. like they are the people responsible for the raising of their kids not the parents themselves. That seems to be happening a lot in general........no can take their own responsibilities as their own.
just a thought..........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
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So you're saying it's ok to kill people as long as you don't use a gun?
hahahahahahaha
.....and that makes sense?
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INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
cant you read?
does scotland have a high murder rate = yes
does scotland have a problem with gang culture = yes
is there an issue with deaths caused by knives = yes
do people in scotland see this as an issue = yes
are we doing something about it? = yes
how many people have died as a result of a handgun since 1997 = 0
in 1997 scotland banned handguns... why? = some gay pedophile shot 16 tiny kids in a school because he was a mental fuckwit.
so since that date not one person has been killed by a handgun = no.. not one
but you do have a problem with other crime/drugs/etc = yes, this is not Utopia
but Scotland is awesome isnt it Dunk? why is this? - cos i fucking live there
isn't that what we pay police to do? aren't the costs of security personnel and security measures a part of our ever-rising tuition costs? let's face it, this sort of thing cannot be 100% predicted OR prevented, but i feel a whole lot safer sending my son to a college that has decent security than knowing that his classmates are the ones we're counting on to defend him in the one in a million chance that some loser will decide to rampage the campus to avenge some love triangle/frat slighting/teacher's comment, etc etc.
i feel very, very sad for the families of those killed. but as a society, we need to realize that there will always be screwballs in the world. we need to accept that and take whatever measures we can to be safe, then carry on with life.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
With that being said, I am here at NIU, waiting to go back to class on Monday. I feel overwhelmed at how this community has come together, and the outpouring of emotions expressed by so many people. Thank you.
Please cherish and respect those you love, but more importantly, find it in your heart to extend this to the strangers that surround you everyday of your life.
You can never know
Just where to put all your faith
And how will it grow
Charlotte '96, Raleigh '98, Charlotte '00, Raleigh/Charlotte/DC '03, Asheville '04, Chicago I & II '06, Chicago II '09, Chicago I '16...
what's next, are you gonna ban knives in Scotland?
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INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
Well said. I'm so sorry you and your community have had to endure such tragedy. :(
That wouldn't be a bad idea. Why should teenagers be allowed to walk the streets carrying knives? Khife crime in Britain - especially in London is a big problem right now. Practically every week now a kid gets stabbed to death over here.
Example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7253896.stm
Wednesday, 20 February 2008, 05:39 GMT
Murder inquiry after youth killed
A murder inquiry has begun after a boy was stabbed to death, becoming the fifth teenager to be killed in London this year.
The 16-year-old was found with fatal stab wounds in Invermore Place, Woolwich, south-east London on Tuesday.
Officers were called to the scene on Tuesday at 1615 GMT. It is thought the victim was involved in a row with a group before he died.
Police said they had an open mind about a motive for the killing.
A Met spokeswoman said: "At this early stage it is believed the male may have been in an altercation with a group of black males prior to receiving his injuries."
Paul Whisker, who called the emergency services, said he had found the boy bleeding heavily when he was on his way home.
He said he had tried to stem the bleeding, along with another member of the public, before the emergency services arrived.
Witnesses spoke of how they saw up to four youths running from the scene after the attack.
Other residents said the estate was "deadly" and there had been a series of serious incidents in recent weeks.
But Mr Whisker, who has lived in the are for 19 years, added: "It is normally quite good around here, this is the worst we've had around this area."
A large area has been cordoned off around the scene, between Invermore Place and Villas Road, with forensic examiners working in a tent erected over where the boy died.
A post-mortem examination of the victim's body is yet to be carried out.
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INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
oh you mean actually use the knife for the purpose its designed for... whats wrong with that? and you want to have a gun for what reason? to kill people, which is what it was designed to do...
people are banned from walking around the streets carrying knives already.. kids under 16 are banned from buying knives.
you are just routinely and blatantly ignoring every good point i make and then make one small point, which i always answer i might add, just to try and trip me up....
here's the facts (which of course you and others like you will ignore.. .as usual)
1. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)
2. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14)
3. The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04).
Firearm-related Deaths
* Of all violent child deaths, a firearm was involved in 1,107 cases.
* Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20% as suicides; 22% unintentional; and, 3% undetermined intention.
* 86% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the U.S. The rate in the U.S. was 12 times the rate of all other countries combined.
* The rate for firearms-related homicide was 16 times higher in the U.S., the rate for firearms suicide was 11 times higher, and the rate for unintentional firearm deaths was nine times higher.
* Rates among other countries varied substantially, for example, there were no firearm-related deaths in five of the 26 countries. One of which was Scotland.
ignore as usual...
Scotland > America
we have:-
Free Healthcare for everyone
Free Transport for over 65's
Free Education for anyone born in Scotland right upto and including University
Free Eye Tests for everybody
Free glasses for those aged upto 16
Free Dental Care up to the age of 16 and for those in further education
Since 1997 not one person has died from a handgun
just keep on ignoring all of this though... go and search for a link that shows Scotland has 3 drug dealers or something.
Nah that just doesn't sound right... only works with certain kinds of people on people who want things or are a tiny bit annoyed about something.
How can you possibly compare any other Country with the good old U.S. of A.?
We are a breed all our own.........
Anyway Americans love their guns, good luck tryin to ban guns here, we're not like your Country, we actually fought for our Independence.
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
he he it is funny what you are proud of.. we fought for our independance? We ran away and then took advantage of our enourmous good fortune by finding a great land inhabited by peope we could easy pillage...
be proud of the pretence we have to grow on because we are giant cowards afraid of the truth.
We are a giant infant holding dangerous weapone.. well will be easily defeated - they all just sit waiting for enough mistakes and they will come in a pillage us as we did native americans.. and we will deserve it for our brutality and ignorance..
but be proud - we got to kill a bunch of Iraqis while we did hold the most weapons.
American citizens own 70 million guns (not the military)
bring it on buddy
we love our guns
........try again
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
those 70 million vote - and therefore control the military until the military is needed to protect us from the inevitable attack..
you ready to fight against F22s with your automatic hand guns?
"bring it on"
your quote is cute.... follow your infant leader - you will not be wronged when raped, tortured and murdered
the only way anyone will attack us is with a missile, and maybe you haven't realized but we have a missile shield in place
we are even putting a missile shield in Poland
maybe you should do some more research
btw: I do not support Bush or his Illegal War
maybe you should read some of my post before you go shooting your mouth off
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
oh we sure will be attacked.. if it were only that simple ... we make blunder after blunder and are so much more vulnerable to a series of small attacks that will weaken and we will few allies - as we are murderous animals
Its crazy what's happening in London at the moment, although i find the lack of media interest in the fact that its been happening in Glasgow for years rather strange, but that's a whole different issue. Last week there was a news flash on Sky news about a fight in London between a group of teenagers and two were stabbed but survived. The next day i was talking to someone in work who knew a teenager who'd been stabbed to death not far from where i stay on the same day of the Sky news flash. Dont think i even saw anything in the local news that day!!
say you are against it and you are absolved of the sin?
thank god i don't live in US, phew. and if i ever have kids i'll advise them not to go there too, unless they ban guns.
that's bad as well, but at least person can escape from knife more easily than a gun
quite easily.. i count the number of dead and compare that against the number of dead PER CAPITA in my country and we absolutely fucking destroy you in that regard.. we win easily.. no contest... so thats how easy it is to compare... do you think america is incomparable? get a reality check...
thanks for ignoring all the things we are better at than your country.. my country fought for its independence long before America was 'discovered'
willful ignorance
1. (idiomatic), also called vincible ignorance is a bad faith decision to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.
I honestly dont think its as difficult as you make out. Its not as easy as the US, but its not difficult.
Some people need to read their history. "We are a breed of our own" is particularly funny.
dude you live in Glasgow, the give a gun away with 6 tokens from the Daily Record
seriously.. it might be easier in Manchester, London or Glasgow.. but nationally... its pretty much impossible to try and get a gun..
Yeah, that's what i mean, mainly in cities its not that difficult. If you wanted one you could get one. Thankfully the kids about here just stab each other for fun rather than shoot each other!!
we are, we are a mixture of every nationality on Earth
c'mon
black, white, purple, green, orange, red, yellow
oh damn that's microdot acid, sorry...........
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
exactly the same as the UK then.