There are many who'd say that It's this kind of thinking that's responsible for the fact that the U.S has experienced four high school shootings in the past week.
Have you never wondered why this shit doesn't occur anywhere else on the planet with such frequency? When was the last time a high school, or college kid walked into his school in England and shot the place up? Stabbing is a fashionable thing in England these days, but there's only ever one victim, not 5, and especially not 30.
Again, my point, what drove this guy to perform this act in the first place? Are you telling me it is impossible to get a hold of a gun in England if you were determined to do it legally or illegally? I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.
and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack
they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit
at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life
there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns
that's an actual life experience, argue that away
I agree with your stance on this one, Im Still Here, but I think you used a very bad example for the arguement. Mentally unstable people should not be around guns.
I agree with your stance on this one, Im Still Here, but I think you used a very bad example for the arguement. Mentally unstable people should not be around guns.
but that's a true life story of two individuals who were mentally disturbed and owned LOTS of guns and never did anything like this
to make a generalization that all people whose brain's aren't functioning properly shouldn't have 2nd amendment rights is just wrong
the 2nd amendment applies to all people, regardless of their mental capacity
these are people I thought all my life, "maybe they shouldn't own guns", and they were harmless
now I do agree that people under 21 should not be able to obtain guns, now how we go about that is a different story.........
but that's a true life story of two individuals who were mentally disturbed and owned LOTS of guns and never did anything like this
to make a generalization that all people whose brain's aren't functioning properly shouldn't have 2nd amendment rights is just wrong
the 2nd amendment applies to all people, regardless of their mental capacity
these are people I thought all my life, "maybe they shouldn't own guns", and they were harmless
now I do agree that people under 21 should not be able to obtain guns, now how we go about that is a different story.........
just cuz nothing happened with your relatives doesn't make it necessarily appropriate ... it's sort of like drinking and driving ... people do it every day because they get away with it ...
Lots of Americans have been scared out of their minds by our news media along with our government and have this incessant need to protect themselves. Till this fear ends we'll continue to hoard our weapons..folks that buy and own guns are more likely to be killed or kill their family members...so in the long run, maybe in a million years we'll have the fear gene eradicated..."Its evolution baby!"
Again, my point, what drove this guy to perform this act in the first place? Are you telling me it is impossible to get a hold of a gun in England if you were determined to do it legally or illegally? I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.
It's very difficult to get hold of a gun in England. Very difficult. And a college student who cracks, will not have the abilty to simply go and grab a gun and then go shooting people at random. It's just not possible over here. He would need to have his wits about him to find a gun. That's the difference. And it's a big difference.
I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.
It's both.
The main problem is the society part, but it IS way too easy to obtain a gun too. The laws on that definitively need to be changed somehow to make it more difficult.
It takes a gun to fire a steel bullet at 500 meters a second. A person without a gun, and hence, without a trigger, would be incapable of inflicting the kind of large scale damage that a person with a gun can inflict.
and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack
they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit
at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life
there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns
that's an actual life experience, argue that away
So, your logical deduction is that because not all mentally unstable people have committed a gun crime, mentally unstable people should be permitted to carry guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.
It takes a gun to fire a steel bullet at 500 meters a second. A person without a gun, and hence, without a trigger, would be incapable of inflicting the kind of large scale damage that a person with a gun can inflict.
So, your logical deduction is that because not all mentally unstable people have committed a gun crime, mentally unstable people should be permitted to carry guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.
so punish the masses for a small percentage of people?
that makes no sense either.......
does it?
face it we are not safe, no matter where you go or what you do our Government cannot protect you from everything
honestly I wouldn't want to live in a World like that, would you?
People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.
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so punish the masses for a small percentage of people?
that makes no sense either.......
does it?
face it we are not safe, no matter where you go or what you do our Government cannot protect you from everything
honestly I wouldn't want to live in a World like that, would you?
I'm not asking it to protect me from everything. I expect it to be able to protect a kid at school from being shot by an asshole with a gun. I'll ask it again. When does your right to get a gun whenever the hell you want trump the right for someone not to get shot?
I'm not asking it to protect me from everything. I expect it to be able to protect a kid at school from being shot by an asshole with a gun. I'll ask it again. When does your right to get a gun whenever the hell you want trump the right for someone not to get shot?
I'm not gonna continue with this
my opinion is if everyone was armed at that school this would not have happened
i will not post on this thread again out of respect for the families of these poor children
my opinion is if everyone was armed at that school this would not have happened
i will not post on this thread again out of respect for the families of these poor children
Go ahead and give college students guns. I can guarantee that accidental shootings and suicides will sky rocket. That's probably the worst plan someone could come up with. Seriously. I think you'd have to sit for a long time before you come up with something so ineffective and just plain dangerous than that.
And I don't give a shit if you ever comment anywhere again. Respect for the families. Next time you might not want to start a thread off with "Now, I'm a huge advocate for 2nd amendment rights BUT...blah blah blah." You care more about your guns than you do about anyone's life. Really. You really needed to add in that part about you getting a hard on for guns in a thread dedicated to families just affected by gun violence and expect people to take you seriously. Yea. respect.
so is there anything we can do to help you or the other pit members that are directly impacted from this tragedy?
I'm slightly detached, I graduated in '02. But I've been speaking with my fellow alumni over the course of the day and we all feel devastated. Someone told me today that it's fortunate that this didn't happen while we were there, but we feel like a part of us still there. And that part is deeply hurt. It doesn't matter who was there at the time. It still happened, and it's still a tragedy.
Cole Hall is a building that has two large lecture halls that host many General Education classes. It is safe to say that a large majority, if not close to all, current and former NIU students have had a class in the very room that this happened. And it's very creepy to hear the incident being described and be able to perfectly picture the room. I've had the thought in my head that these students were just innocently sitting in their chair, paying attention in class, and then they got shot. In chairs that I have sat in before. It hits close to home. REAL close.
The NIU Family of students, faculty, administration, and alumni is very large. And it is showing itself to be very strong during this difficult time.
The outpouring of support from around the nation is very inspiring. The messages I've heard from Virginia Tech people have been very supportive, and they are appreciated. I've heard on the radio that that campus and others around the country are expressing their support by wearing the colors of NIU, red and black.
Any way that you show this support is helpful. It helps the NIU Family know that people care and are sympathetic to us. We have each other, but it helps to know that we're not alone in our grief.
I'm saddened by what happened at my alma mater, but I'm prouder than ever to be a Huskie.
Thank you.
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if everyone was armed, then maybe the gunman would have thought twice about doing what he did... right?
the only difference here is he perhaps would not need to commit suicide after offing as many people as he could
Here's the problem with arming everyone, just on a college campus alone. Everyone knows that alcohol runs rampant on pretty much every college campus. Adding guns to a already dangerous mix of alcohol and being at an age when most of us feel like we're untouchable, unstoppable is going to raise accidental deaths past the number of people killed during a campus shooting by itself. Also, college is an extremely, extremely stressful time of life. Most people see the rest of their life riding on one semester or even one final. The depression and feeling of failure when someone doesn't make the grade overwhelms a lot of people and adding a firearm to that would mean that the suicide rate would raise the number of firearm deaths even more.
if everyone was armed, then maybe the gunman would have thought twice about doing what he did... right?
the only difference here is he perhaps would not need to commit suicide after offing as many people as he could
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Here's the problem with arming everyone, just on a college campus alone. Everyone knows that alcohol runs rampant on pretty much every college campus. Adding guns to a already dangerous mix of alcohol and being at an age when most of us feel like we're untouchable, unstoppable is going to raise accidental deaths past the number of people killed during a campus shooting by itself. Also, college is an extremely, extremely stressful time of life. Most people see the rest of their life riding on one semester or even one final. The depression and feeling of failure when someone doesn't make the grade overwhelms a lot of people and adding a firearm to that would mean that the suicide rate would raise the number of firearm deaths even more.
right... before the person had to kill themselves.... with everyone armed they wouldn't even have to do that....it would be an all out rampage
I didn't see this thread yesterday and heard about this in today's a.m. I send my warmest wishes into Grace and hope for a quik recovery to these students.....
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People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.
People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.
People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.
Brilliant. We should stigmatize people with mental illness - to the point of likening them to SEX OFFENDERS!! - and then expect them to come forward and get treatment. :rolleyes:
Maybe we should work on providing access to treatment for those who need it.
tonight on the news it was so sad........
the kid's dad was on asking the reporters to leave him alone because he was ill with diabetes and obviously distressed with all of this.
It gave me a whole different view of the whole situation than I had before; a different perspective than I ever really thought of until now although it is an obvious angle to think of ; the killer's parents.
it was so sad........i feel bad for the father, can you imagine the grief? the responsibility you fight within yourself for the killing his son did as well as the grief he feels for his son's suicide............wow.......
I hope the news reporters don't drag this to the point of repulsion. It is important news but after a while it becomes nauseating when they sensationalise all of it.
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People diagnosed with a mental illness should be required to register with local authorities, just like sex offenders. At least then the people doing background checks would have some sort of reference point to go off of.
sure.. shall we register everyone? How fucking ridiculous!
By the way...If you have been reportedly mentally ill you cannot get a "FOID" <firearms card> card in Illinois...
Your right to bear arms does...I bet if you banned handguns, school shootings would drop to 0.
But hey at least these kids are dying for your rights hey???
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it takes a person to pull the trigger
and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack
they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit
at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life
there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns
that's an actual life experience, argue that away
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but that's a true life story of two individuals who were mentally disturbed and owned LOTS of guns and never did anything like this
to make a generalization that all people whose brain's aren't functioning properly shouldn't have 2nd amendment rights is just wrong
the 2nd amendment applies to all people, regardless of their mental capacity
these are people I thought all my life, "maybe they shouldn't own guns", and they were harmless
now I do agree that people under 21 should not be able to obtain guns, now how we go about that is a different story.........
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Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
just cuz nothing happened with your relatives doesn't make it necessarily appropriate ... it's sort of like drinking and driving ... people do it every day because they get away with it ...
It's very difficult to get hold of a gun in England. Very difficult. And a college student who cracks, will not have the abilty to simply go and grab a gun and then go shooting people at random. It's just not possible over here. He would need to have his wits about him to find a gun. That's the difference. And it's a big difference.
The main problem is the society part, but it IS way too easy to obtain a gun too. The laws on that definitively need to be changed somehow to make it more difficult.
It takes a gun to fire a steel bullet at 500 meters a second. A person without a gun, and hence, without a trigger, would be incapable of inflicting the kind of large scale damage that a person with a gun can inflict.
So, your logical deduction is that because not all mentally unstable people have committed a gun crime, mentally unstable people should be permitted to carry guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.
so punish the masses for a small percentage of people?
that makes no sense either.......
does it?
face it we are not safe, no matter where you go or what you do our Government cannot protect you from everything
honestly I wouldn't want to live in a World like that, would you?
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I'm not asking it to protect me from everything. I expect it to be able to protect a kid at school from being shot by an asshole with a gun. I'll ask it again. When does your right to get a gun whenever the hell you want trump the right for someone not to get shot?
And what do you think it is about U.S society - as opposed to anywhere else - that makes this kind of thing happen?
I'm not gonna continue with this
my opinion is if everyone was armed at that school this would not have happened
i will not post on this thread again out of respect for the families of these poor children
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Go ahead and give college students guns. I can guarantee that accidental shootings and suicides will sky rocket. That's probably the worst plan someone could come up with. Seriously. I think you'd have to sit for a long time before you come up with something so ineffective and just plain dangerous than that.
And I don't give a shit if you ever comment anywhere again. Respect for the families. Next time you might not want to start a thread off with "Now, I'm a huge advocate for 2nd amendment rights BUT...blah blah blah." You care more about your guns than you do about anyone's life. Really. You really needed to add in that part about you getting a hard on for guns in a thread dedicated to families just affected by gun violence and expect people to take you seriously. Yea. respect.
the only difference here is he perhaps would not need to commit suicide after offing as many people as he could
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
I'm slightly detached, I graduated in '02. But I've been speaking with my fellow alumni over the course of the day and we all feel devastated. Someone told me today that it's fortunate that this didn't happen while we were there, but we feel like a part of us still there. And that part is deeply hurt. It doesn't matter who was there at the time. It still happened, and it's still a tragedy.
Cole Hall is a building that has two large lecture halls that host many General Education classes. It is safe to say that a large majority, if not close to all, current and former NIU students have had a class in the very room that this happened. And it's very creepy to hear the incident being described and be able to perfectly picture the room. I've had the thought in my head that these students were just innocently sitting in their chair, paying attention in class, and then they got shot. In chairs that I have sat in before. It hits close to home. REAL close.
The NIU Family of students, faculty, administration, and alumni is very large. And it is showing itself to be very strong during this difficult time.
The outpouring of support from around the nation is very inspiring. The messages I've heard from Virginia Tech people have been very supportive, and they are appreciated. I've heard on the radio that that campus and others around the country are expressing their support by wearing the colors of NIU, red and black.
Any way that you show this support is helpful. It helps the NIU Family know that people care and are sympathetic to us. We have each other, but it helps to know that we're not alone in our grief.
I'm saddened by what happened at my alma mater, but I'm prouder than ever to be a Huskie.
Thank you.
Eddie: I don't know whose idea it was but it was turned down.
Here's the problem with arming everyone, just on a college campus alone. Everyone knows that alcohol runs rampant on pretty much every college campus. Adding guns to a already dangerous mix of alcohol and being at an age when most of us feel like we're untouchable, unstoppable is going to raise accidental deaths past the number of people killed during a campus shooting by itself. Also, college is an extremely, extremely stressful time of life. Most people see the rest of their life riding on one semester or even one final. The depression and feeling of failure when someone doesn't make the grade overwhelms a lot of people and adding a firearm to that would mean that the suicide rate would raise the number of firearm deaths even more.
Ladies and Gentlemen welcome back to the Wild West.
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right... before the person had to kill themselves.... with everyone armed they wouldn't even have to do that....it would be an all out rampage
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Brilliant. We should stigmatize people with mental illness - to the point of likening them to SEX OFFENDERS!! - and then expect them to come forward and get treatment. :rolleyes:
Maybe we should work on providing access to treatment for those who need it.
the kid's dad was on asking the reporters to leave him alone because he was ill with diabetes and obviously distressed with all of this.
It gave me a whole different view of the whole situation than I had before; a different perspective than I ever really thought of until now although it is an obvious angle to think of ; the killer's parents.
it was so sad........i feel bad for the father, can you imagine the grief? the responsibility you fight within yourself for the killing his son did as well as the grief he feels for his son's suicide............wow.......
I hope the news reporters don't drag this to the point of repulsion. It is important news but after a while it becomes nauseating when they sensationalise all of it.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
sure.. shall we register everyone? How fucking ridiculous!
By the way...If you have been reportedly mentally ill you cannot get a "FOID" <firearms card> card in Illinois...
Your right to bear arms does...I bet if you banned handguns, school shootings would drop to 0.
But hey at least these kids are dying for your rights hey???
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