by you believing in something negative and saying I will go there... thats not wishing me well... I don't believe I will go there... that doesn't mean it wasn't meant negatively by the person who does believe it.
If i believe in a place called "no no" that is a very terrible place and say you are going there, whether you believe in that place or not I was essentially saying you're screwed and I'm not hoping the best for you.
i'm condemning people who thrust what they believe on me... like the "i'm praying for you" or "God says Hell for you" comments. i "believe" in science, if thats what you want to call it. You dont hear me saying "Oh, I'll go do a physics problem for you" or "trees will not grow because you will make a bad decomposer" when people talk about God. I just state that I don't believe it.
I'm not even sure of what I'm typing anymore, I've been sitting here for too long without nourishment... When I'm done I'll rise again up the steps and spread my word in this forum...
all i said is if you reject God; you will not enter his kingdom. i don't believe in a place called hell so i don't know what you're talking about. i believe you will enter a form of solitary confinement. that; or be reborn to this earth. or maybe both. but i wish nothing on you. you made your choices and you will live and die with them. you are nothing to me and i don't care what happens to you.
they think you are in-fact wrong. and neither of you has proof of it. so you're talking out your ass as much as they.
but yeah, justifying hate with religion is bad. im just saying, talk them out of the hateful interpretation of their religion, not the religion itself. that is for them to decide and has no impact on you.
i work with a gay guy who makes fun of himself for being gay. i make fun of him, but b/c he is a dumbass. i always leave the gay part out of it. it sort of came naturally to not make fun of him for being gay. i wonder what that means.
why can't we just follow this,... it's jesus' main message, or even epictetus,...
"do unto others as you would have them do to you"
don't make fun of gay people. don't make fun of people with religion. even if they act like bitches, don't say anything,...
you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy
they think you are in-fact wrong. and neither of you has proof of it. so you're talking out your ass as much as they.
but yeah, justifying hate with religion is bad. im just saying, talk them out of the hateful interpretation of their religion, not the religion itself. that is for them to decide and has no impact on you.
We both know that isn't going to happen. Their ignorance strongly impacts me. On the Canadian Charter of Human Rights "Whereas Canada was founded under the supremecy of god..." In the Canadian National Anthem "God keep our land..." in our courts "...so help me God."
Even on this forum, if we discuss abortion, homosexuality or anything, we invariably get a swarm of bible-thumpers proclaiming the word of God, fuck that. I'm through with that shit.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Even on this forum, if we discuss abortion, homosexuality or anything, we invariably get a swarm of bible-thumpers proclaiming the word of God, fuck that. I'm through with that shit.
you mean some people have different points of view and approach ideas differently??? That is bad. :rolleyes:
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
"Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler were good men and I agree with everything they were about." Does that statement warrant the same respect that you expect me to grant the crusaders?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you mean some people have different points of view and approach ideas differently??? That is bad. :rolleyes:
When their views are based on nothing, they mean nothing.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
pontificate ~ play the pontiff, pretend to infalability; be pompously dogmatic.
Phenomenologically
of or relating to phenomenology
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
When their views are based on nothing, they mean nothing.
and people insist that christians are the closed minded ones. Just a few pages ago you said there was no proof for or against God which means it may or may not be nothing. Which means the view you're holding goes against your previous statement. In order for you to know it IS nothing you have to know everything, which you don't...nor does anyone. Just insert the word I think into your statements and you'll get further than making blanket statements such as the above.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
and people insist that christians are the closed minded ones. Just a few pages ago you said there was no proof for or against God which means it may or may not be nothing. Which means the view you're holding goes against your previous statement. In order for you to know it IS nothing you have to know everything, which you don't...nor does anyone. Just insert the word I think into your statements and you'll get further than making blanket statements such as the above.
he's always talking out of both sides of his mouth. everything twisted just a bit in his favour. but it's fun to watch him chase his tail so don't let on that you know.
he's always talking out of both sides of his mouth. everything twisted just a bit in his favour. but it's fun to watch him chase his tail so don't let on that you know.
thanks for the heads up
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
and people insist that christians are the closed minded ones. Just a few pages ago you said there was no proof for or against God which means it may or may not be nothing. Which means the view you're holding goes against your previous statement. In order for you to know it IS nothing you have to know everything, which you don't...nor does anyone. Just insert the word I think into your statements and you'll get further than making blanket statements such as the above.
There is evidence against the biblical god, such as the bible is wrong. Anaesthesia causes a loss of consciousness, not to mention brain damage. We've objectively proven that consciousness is some how the product of the brain, and absent consciousness we have no experience and thus after-life is impossible. That's actually a proven fact, but with 87% or whatever living an illusion, they aren't going to accept the results, largely because they don't understand the experiments. Faith is a matter of ignorance. Knowing is a matter of knowledge.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
megalomania ~ insanity of self-exaltation, passion for grandiose things.
Delusional ~ something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There is evidence against the biblical god, such as the bible is wrong. Anaesthesia causes a loss of consciousness, not to mention brain damage. We've objectively proven that consciousness is some how the product of the brain, and absent consciousness we have no experience and thus after-life is impossible. That's actually a proven fact, but with 87% or whatever living an illusion, they aren't going to accept the results, largely because they don't understand the experiments. Faith is a matter of ignorance. Knowing is a matter of knowledge.
that's evidence??? I love the thought process..there is evidence against the biblical God b/c the bible is wrong...that, my friend, is not evidence it's an opinion that you believe to be true.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
megalomania ~ insanity of self-exaltation, passion for grandiose things.
You know what I think is megalomaniacal, is believing that humans are worlds away from animals. That we are somehow special, this entire universe was created for us and we have ultimate control over our own experiences, we live on after death while animals do not. That is megalomaniacal, it's grandiosity at it's purest form.
Are animals conscious, yes. I feel pain consciously, without the conscious experience of pain, I would not feel pain, consciousness is the way in which I feel pain. If a dog feels pain, it is the same thing, a conscious experience of pain. We have a more convoluted cortex, a more brain-focused evolutionary history, that's all, we are no better or worse, we've had just as long to evolve as influenza.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There is evidence against the biblical god, such as the bible is wrong. Anaesthesia causes a loss of consciousness, not to mention brain damage. We've objectively proven that consciousness is some how the product of the brain, and absent consciousness we have no experience and thus after-life is impossible. That's actually a proven fact, but with 87% or whatever living an illusion, they aren't going to accept the results, largely because they don't understand the experiments. Faith is a matter of ignorance. Knowing is a matter of knowledge.
the problem once again is zeroing in on biblical. the bible was written by man; so using a book written by man to dispute the existance of God is insane. and how does science's inability to measure the activity of the soul proof that there is no afterlife? i think it only proves science is very limited and it's inabilities prove nothing other than its fallability.
that's evidence??? I love the thought process..there is evidence against the biblical God b/c the bible is wrong...that, my friend, is not evidence it's an opinion that you believe to be true.
So.. if the bible is wrong, God still exists, that doesn't make any sense, since the basis for God is the bible. It's all circular logic, God exists because God says he exists in ths book written by man. That makes no sense. Explain that logic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
the problem once again is zeroing in on biblical. the bible was written by man; so using a book written by man to dispute the existance of God is insane. and how does science's inability to measure the activity of the soul proof that there is no afterlife? i think it only proves science is very limited and it's inabilities prove nothing other than its fallability.
There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
all i said is if you reject God; you will not enter his kingdom. i don't believe in a place called hell so i don't know what you're talking about. i believe you will enter a form of solitary confinement. that; or be reborn to this earth. or maybe both. but i wish nothing on you. you made your choices and you will live and die with them. you are nothing to me and i don't care what happens to you.
this little conversation was about PJammin' essentially saying I (and people who think like me) are going to hell. I had thought you were defending that point. So I was still more discussing what PJammin' was saying and not what your opinion was. So the whole thing said wasn't directed to what your belief was on Hell.
I'm glad I'm nothing to you and I don't care what happens to you either. I don't wish you harm however.
The Sentence Below Is True
The Sentence Above Is False
"Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler were good men and I agree with everything they were about." Does that statement warrant the same respect that you expect me to grant the crusaders?
while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.
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hold my hand
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this little conversation was about PJammin' essentially saying I (and people who think like me) are going to hell. I had though you were defending that point. So I was still more discussing what PJammin' was saying and not what your opinion was. So the whole thing said wasn't directed to what your belief was on Hell.
I'm glad I'm nothing to you and I don't care what happens to you either. I don't wish you harm however.
now i understand. i don't wish you or anyone else harm or hardship. the true kingdom is within yourself. some find it; some don't. that's just life. i wish you and everyone (except my ex) all the best of everything.
There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.
i feel i have a soul. and as you know i am an atheist. so where does that leave me? because clearly my ideas of soul are not sustained by the bible. though i will not deny they originated there as per my living in a secular christian society. but then surely if one denies God, they must deny the soul, right?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.
Esp that self-deluded weirdo who started the children's crusade, and led several thousand children to their death through hypothermia and starvation.
God will provide !!
while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.
i agree with you cate. what i don't understand is why every discussion about God is centred on what man has done. the crusaders were men acting in the name of God. which is no different than me killing athiests in the name of God. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH; NOR IS IT SANCTIONED BY GOD. God doesn't work that way.
i agree with you cate. what i don't understand is why every discussion about God is centred on what man has done. the crusaders were men acting in the name of God. which is no different than me killing athiests in the name of God. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH; NOR IS IT SANCTIONED BY GOD. God doesn't work that way.
That's an easy one to answer. Because God only works through man and his actions. This belief in God has everything to do woith teh actions and consequences of men who act in the name of God. You cannpt separate the two by saying, " but God is not like that". He is, that's all he is. He does not exist except in teh actions of men. Men who lie and cheat, and steal and kill and rape and plunder , all in the name of God.
How else can you haev a discussion about God ??
Bizarre !!
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all i said is if you reject God; you will not enter his kingdom. i don't believe in a place called hell so i don't know what you're talking about. i believe you will enter a form of solitary confinement. that; or be reborn to this earth. or maybe both. but i wish nothing on you. you made your choices and you will live and die with them. you are nothing to me and i don't care what happens to you.
Ah. The voice of reason. Thank you.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
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why can't we just follow this,... it's jesus' main message, or even epictetus,...
"do unto others as you would have them do to you"
don't make fun of gay people. don't make fun of people with religion. even if they act like bitches, don't say anything,...
~Ron Burgundy
We both know that isn't going to happen. Their ignorance strongly impacts me. On the Canadian Charter of Human Rights "Whereas Canada was founded under the supremecy of god..." In the Canadian National Anthem "God keep our land..." in our courts "...so help me God."
Even on this forum, if we discuss abortion, homosexuality or anything, we invariably get a swarm of bible-thumpers proclaiming the word of God, fuck that. I'm through with that shit.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
you mean some people have different points of view and approach ideas differently??? That is bad. :rolleyes:
When their views are based on nothing, they mean nothing.
Phenomenologically
of or relating to phenomenology
and people insist that christians are the closed minded ones. Just a few pages ago you said there was no proof for or against God which means it may or may not be nothing. Which means the view you're holding goes against your previous statement. In order for you to know it IS nothing you have to know everything, which you don't...nor does anyone. Just insert the word I think into your statements and you'll get further than making blanket statements such as the above.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
there is a great incubus song called megalomaniac
~Ron Burgundy
you're no f-ing elvis
he's always talking out of both sides of his mouth. everything twisted just a bit in his favour. but it's fun to watch him chase his tail so don't let on that you know.
thanks for the heads up
There is evidence against the biblical god, such as the bible is wrong. Anaesthesia causes a loss of consciousness, not to mention brain damage. We've objectively proven that consciousness is some how the product of the brain, and absent consciousness we have no experience and thus after-life is impossible. That's actually a proven fact, but with 87% or whatever living an illusion, they aren't going to accept the results, largely because they don't understand the experiments. Faith is a matter of ignorance. Knowing is a matter of knowledge.
Delusional ~ something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
that's evidence??? I love the thought process..there is evidence against the biblical God b/c the bible is wrong...that, my friend, is not evidence it's an opinion that you believe to be true.
You know what I think is megalomaniacal, is believing that humans are worlds away from animals. That we are somehow special, this entire universe was created for us and we have ultimate control over our own experiences, we live on after death while animals do not. That is megalomaniacal, it's grandiosity at it's purest form.
Are animals conscious, yes. I feel pain consciously, without the conscious experience of pain, I would not feel pain, consciousness is the way in which I feel pain. If a dog feels pain, it is the same thing, a conscious experience of pain. We have a more convoluted cortex, a more brain-focused evolutionary history, that's all, we are no better or worse, we've had just as long to evolve as influenza.
the problem once again is zeroing in on biblical. the bible was written by man; so using a book written by man to dispute the existance of God is insane. and how does science's inability to measure the activity of the soul proof that there is no afterlife? i think it only proves science is very limited and it's inabilities prove nothing other than its fallability.
So.. if the bible is wrong, God still exists, that doesn't make any sense, since the basis for God is the bible. It's all circular logic, God exists because God says he exists in ths book written by man. That makes no sense. Explain that logic.
There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.
self~abuse, (1) reviling of oneself, (2) masturbation
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
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this little conversation was about PJammin' essentially saying I (and people who think like me) are going to hell. I had thought you were defending that point. So I was still more discussing what PJammin' was saying and not what your opinion was. So the whole thing said wasn't directed to what your belief was on Hell.
I'm glad I'm nothing to you and I don't care what happens to you either. I don't wish you harm however.
The Sentence Above Is False
while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
now i understand. i don't wish you or anyone else harm or hardship. the true kingdom is within yourself. some find it; some don't. that's just life. i wish you and everyone (except my ex) all the best of everything.
i feel i have a soul. and as you know i am an atheist. so where does that leave me? because clearly my ideas of soul are not sustained by the bible. though i will not deny they originated there as per my living in a secular christian society. but then surely if one denies God, they must deny the soul, right?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Esp that self-deluded weirdo who started the children's crusade, and led several thousand children to their death through hypothermia and starvation.
God will provide !!
i agree with you cate. what i don't understand is why every discussion about God is centred on what man has done. the crusaders were men acting in the name of God. which is no different than me killing athiests in the name of God. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH; NOR IS IT SANCTIONED BY GOD. God doesn't work that way.
That's an easy one to answer. Because God only works through man and his actions. This belief in God has everything to do woith teh actions and consequences of men who act in the name of God. You cannpt separate the two by saying, " but God is not like that". He is, that's all he is. He does not exist except in teh actions of men. Men who lie and cheat, and steal and kill and rape and plunder , all in the name of God.
How else can you haev a discussion about God ??
Bizarre !!