There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.
it'll take some looking; but i'll find where a scientist proved the existance of the soul.
the idea of a soul does not come from the bible. the idea existed long before that. maybe you should study some theology before entering a theological debate. i believe the idea of a soul predates the egyption book of the dead.
i feel i have a soul. and as you know i am an atheist. so where does that leave me? because clearly my ideas of soul are not sustained by the bible. though i will not deny they originated there as per my living in a secular christian society. but then surely if one denies God, they must deny the soul, right?
What does your soul feel like?
Let's begin there. But I suggest finding another word, I'd prefer to retain the original definition of the term soul, to avoid confusion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's an easy one to answer. Because God only works through man and his actions. This belief in God has everything to do woith teh actions and consequences of men who act in the name of God. You cannpt separate the two by saying, " but God is not like that". He is, that's all he is. He does not exist except in teh actions of men. Men who lie and cheat, and steal and kill and rape and plunder , all in the name of God.
How else can you haev a discussion about God ??
Bizarre !!
that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
that's absurd.
it'll take some looking; but i'll find where a scientist proved the existance of the soul.
the idea of a soul does not come from the bible. the idea existed long before that. maybe you should study some theology before entering a theological debate. i believe the idea of a soul predates the egyption book of the dead.
I'm not talking about music.
Define soul. You can say you have and you feel it, but if you can't describe it to me, it's pretty much useless.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
that's absurd.
Why do men go against his law?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
that's absurd.
God is absurd, the whole concept of gos is absurd. Why would he swet us up to fail so badly at his rules, tehn punish us for so failing ?? Becasue he is insane that is why, I do believe I said that in one of my first posts on teh moving Train.
Who told me that, well there are all these religions out there all claiming to be doing God's work, have been for a few thousand years now. I know, Iknow, you are going to say that religions are not God, but in reality mate, when your ass is nailed to the cross, or the falmes are licking around your feet, there is no difference.
Wake up to yourself !!
20 hail marys and a splash of holy water
won't save you from the east lake stalkin' firestarter
it's hard to, admit the way I flow just bothers ya
lodges in ya, try to grab it but it dodges ya
you rappers fill your flows with hodgepodge, spice em up with sewage
rhymes so old you need embalming fluids
who is, the dude who do this, the dude who deliver dial-in diatribes, ducking mile-high piles of MCs commiting suicide, a bunch of illiterate, illigitimate, inferiority-filled fools, who fail to, fail to, fail to
man, they fail to whitness this, whitness that, an MC who's not afraid to spit fact, whitness this, whitness that, an MC who lays it down man just like that!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
soul,
1. spiritual or immaterial part of man, held to survive death.
2. moral and emotional part of man
3. intellectual part of man, vital principle and mental powers of animals including man
4. animating or or essential part, person viewed as this
5. person viewed as embodying moral or intellectual qualities
6. emotional or intellectual energy e.g. as revealed in work of art
7. (of person) personification or pattern of the ~ of honor, person incapable of dishonorable conduct
soul,
1. spiritual or immaterial part of man, held to survive death.
2. moral and emotional part of man
3. intellectual part of man, vital principle and mental powers of animals including man
4. animating or or essential part, person viewed as this
5. person viewed as embodying moral or intellectual qualities
6. emotional or intellectual energy e.g. as revealed in work of art
7. (of person) personification or pattern of the ~ of honor, person incapable of dishonorable conduct
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I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
God is absurd, the whole concept of gos is absurd. Why would he swet us up to fail so badly at his rules, tehn punish us for so failing ?? Becasue he is insane that is why, I do believe I said that in one of my first posts on teh moving Train.
Who told me that, well there are all these religions out there all claiming to be doing God's work, have been for a few thousand years now. I know, Iknow, you are going to say that religions are not God, but in reality mate, when your ass is nailed to the cross, or the falmes are licking around your feet, there is no difference.
Wake up to yourself !!
and that is only your opinion. and you are nobody. a speck of dirt on the arse of the world.
man is flawed. man has greed. the prisons are full of men and women that cannot obey the law.
Why can't they obey the law?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
go to a prison and ask them. i have no trouble obeying the law.
So, then you really have no idea.
Seems your knowledge is quite limited.
I got
Men can't obey God's law
Because they are imperfect
Because you don't know why
That's pretty limited knowledge. Or is this to avoid the obvious answer that God created man imperfect? And thus he is responsible.
Either way, I still think you are wrong, there are much more complicated and sophisticated causal chains of bad behavior than that.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
why would God give you a second thought? a wee bit arrogant are we?
NAh ya tube, I'm paraphrasing the thoughts of teh Judeo-CHristian religions. As if I think that an entity powerful enough to create the universe cares whether I have a wank or not. I doubt that an entity that powerful could even percievie me, in their time-space referecen. It would be like me trying to spot a grain of sand from a fast moving car, never gonna happen.
Just another reason to deduce that god does not exist, not an actual thought. You are teh one arrogant enough to think that God can be botehred to percieive you. Rememeber, every sparrwo falling etc etc, and all that crap !!
HOe else is going to judge my entry to heaven though, compare me to a freaking camel ???
Men can't obey God's law
Because they are imperfect
Because you don't know why
That's pretty limited knowledge. Or is this to avoid the obvious answer that God created man imperfect? And thus he is responsible.
Either way, I still think you are wrong, there are much more complicated and sophisticated causal chains of bad behavior than that.
you didn't accept my answer that man is flawed so what more do you want? you've admitted many times that man is flawed. are you changing horses now? you've admitted you are nothing. if you have no soul; you are only water and dust. nothing more; nothing less. worthless dust. by your own admission. and that admission made in almost every thread you post on.
mans purpose is to attain perfection and overcome the physical world. you were made with flaws for a reason.
you didn't accept my answer that man is flawed so what more do you want? you've admitted many times that man is flawed. are you changing horses now? you've admitted you are nothing. if you have no soul; you are only water and dust. nothing more; nothing less. worthless dust. by your own admission. and that admission made in almost every thread you post on.
mans purpose is to attain perfection and overcome the physical world. you were made with flaws for a reason.
I accept that humans are flawed, but I don't accept your reason why. You didn't say why, you simply said go ask the prison inmates.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
NAh ya tube, I'm paraphrasing the thoughts of teh Judeo-CHristian religions. As if I think that an entity powerful enough to create the universe cares whether I have a wank or not. I doubt that an entity that powerful could even percievie me, in their time-space referecen. It would be like me trying to spot a grain of sand from a fast moving car, never gonna happen.
Just another reason to deduce that god does not exist, not an actual thought. You are teh one arrogant enough to think that God can be botehred to percieive you. Rememeber, every sparrwo falling etc etc, and all that crap !!
HOe else is going to judge my entry to heaven though, compare me to a freaking camel ???
and that's where you lost the plot mate. God isn't bothered to perceive me; i strive to attain oneness with him. we are but a speck of dust in this vehicle.
and that's where you lost the plot mate. God isn't bothered to perceive me; i strive to attain oneness with him. we are but a speck of dust in this vehicle.
You are "striving to attain oneness" with the dude who whipped up teh Cone nebula, and you reckon that I have lost the plot ansd suffer from arrogance ?? That's nice , dear !!
Hey , tell me, just what doe "striving to attain oneness" mean in non space cadet talk anyway ??
I mean, I'm sure that I am too spirtually stunted to get it, being from a lower plane and all, but give it a go !!
read my last sentence. we are flawed so we can strive to attain perfection.
That may be the purpose, but what is the cause?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think it would be very helpful in these discussions if everyone would define what they mean when they use the word "god." Every single one of these threads that we've had, people are talking right past one another because they all define god differently. If I'm talking about Yahweh and you're talking about a pantheon of pagan gods and someone else is talking about a force of nature, the conversation is never going to make any sense at all. People here are arguing about the rules in the bible with people who say their spirituality has little or nothing to do with the bible. What is the point in that? By the same token, if you're going to talk about something other than the god of Abraham, then it's up to you so clearly state what you mean, because the biblical god is what people in the west commonly think of when they hear the word.
I believe there's much more to the universe(s) than the dimensions we can perceive measured in linear time, but I hesitate to use the word "god" for just this reason ... it leads to confusion.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I think it would be very helpful in these discussions if everyone would define what they mean when they use the word "god." Every single one of these threads that we've had, people are talking right past one another because they all define god differently. If I'm talking about Yahweh and you're talking about a pantheon of pagan gods and someone else is talking about a force of nature, the conversation is never going to make any sense at all. People here are arguing about the rules in the bible with people who say their spirituality has little or nothing to do with the bible. What is the point in that? By the same token, if you're going to talk about something other than the god of Abraham, then it's up to you so clearly state what you mean, because the biblical god is what people in the west commonly think of when they hear the word.
I believe there's much more to the universe(s) than the dimensions we can perceive measured in linear time, but I hesitate to use the word "god" for just this reason ... it leads to confusion.
Why do you believe that "there's much more to the universe"?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You are "striving to attain oneness" with the dude who whipped up teh Cone nebula, and you reckon that I have lost the plot ansd suffer from arrogance ?? That's nice , dear !!
Hey , tell me, just what doe "striving to attain oneness" mean in non space cadet talk anyway ??
I mean, I'm sure that I am too spirtually stunted to get it, being from a lower plane and all, but give it a go !!
i bought a 3 year old filly that was never worked with. my goal is to train that horse to do the work i need done perfectly. she; like my other horses will obey voice commands and when she reaches the point of perfection; she will anticipate my needs and i won't need to make those voice commands. at that point; i am one with the horse. we ride as one; we work as one.
can you understand that?
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it'll take some looking; but i'll find where a scientist proved the existance of the soul.
the idea of a soul does not come from the bible. the idea existed long before that. maybe you should study some theology before entering a theological debate. i believe the idea of a soul predates the egyption book of the dead.
What does your soul feel like?
Let's begin there. But I suggest finding another word, I'd prefer to retain the original definition of the term soul, to avoid confusion.
that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
that's absurd.
I'm not talking about music.
Define soul. You can say you have and you feel it, but if you can't describe it to me, it's pretty much useless.
Why do men go against his law?
God is absurd, the whole concept of gos is absurd. Why would he swet us up to fail so badly at his rules, tehn punish us for so failing ?? Becasue he is insane that is why, I do believe I said that in one of my first posts on teh moving Train.
Who told me that, well there are all these religions out there all claiming to be doing God's work, have been for a few thousand years now. I know, Iknow, you are going to say that religions are not God, but in reality mate, when your ass is nailed to the cross, or the falmes are licking around your feet, there is no difference.
Wake up to yourself !!
won't save you from the east lake stalkin' firestarter
it's hard to, admit the way I flow just bothers ya
lodges in ya, try to grab it but it dodges ya
you rappers fill your flows with hodgepodge, spice em up with sewage
rhymes so old you need embalming fluids
who is, the dude who do this, the dude who deliver dial-in diatribes, ducking mile-high piles of MCs commiting suicide, a bunch of illiterate, illigitimate, inferiority-filled fools, who fail to, fail to, fail to
man, they fail to whitness this, whitness that, an MC who's not afraid to spit fact, whitness this, whitness that, an MC who lays it down man just like that!
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1. spiritual or immaterial part of man, held to survive death.
2. moral and emotional part of man
3. intellectual part of man, vital principle and mental powers of animals including man
4. animating or or essential part, person viewed as this
5. person viewed as embodying moral or intellectual qualities
6. emotional or intellectual energy e.g. as revealed in work of art
7. (of person) personification or pattern of the ~ of honor, person incapable of dishonorable conduct
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man is flawed. man has greed. the prisons are full of men and women that cannot obey the law.
and that is only your opinion. and you are nobody. a speck of dirt on the arse of the world.
Why can't they obey the law?
That's right, and yet God is so fascinated by my every thought and action, yeah right !!
go to a prison and ask them. i have no trouble obeying the law.
why would God give you a second thought? a wee bit arrogant are we?
So, then you really have no idea.
Seems your knowledge is quite limited.
I got
Men can't obey God's law
Because they are imperfect
Because you don't know why
That's pretty limited knowledge. Or is this to avoid the obvious answer that God created man imperfect? And thus he is responsible.
Either way, I still think you are wrong, there are much more complicated and sophisticated causal chains of bad behavior than that.
NAh ya tube, I'm paraphrasing the thoughts of teh Judeo-CHristian religions. As if I think that an entity powerful enough to create the universe cares whether I have a wank or not. I doubt that an entity that powerful could even percievie me, in their time-space referecen. It would be like me trying to spot a grain of sand from a fast moving car, never gonna happen.
Just another reason to deduce that god does not exist, not an actual thought. You are teh one arrogant enough to think that God can be botehred to percieive you. Rememeber, every sparrwo falling etc etc, and all that crap !!
HOe else is going to judge my entry to heaven though, compare me to a freaking camel ???
you didn't accept my answer that man is flawed so what more do you want? you've admitted many times that man is flawed. are you changing horses now? you've admitted you are nothing. if you have no soul; you are only water and dust. nothing more; nothing less. worthless dust. by your own admission. and that admission made in almost every thread you post on.
mans purpose is to attain perfection and overcome the physical world. you were made with flaws for a reason.
I accept that humans are flawed, but I don't accept your reason why. You didn't say why, you simply said go ask the prison inmates.
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and that's where you lost the plot mate. God isn't bothered to perceive me; i strive to attain oneness with him. we are but a speck of dust in this vehicle.
read my last sentence. we are flawed so we can strive to attain perfection.
You are "striving to attain oneness" with the dude who whipped up teh Cone nebula, and you reckon that I have lost the plot ansd suffer from arrogance ?? That's nice , dear !!
Hey , tell me, just what doe "striving to attain oneness" mean in non space cadet talk anyway ??
I mean, I'm sure that I am too spirtually stunted to get it, being from a lower plane and all, but give it a go !!
That may be the purpose, but what is the cause?
I believe there's much more to the universe(s) than the dimensions we can perceive measured in linear time, but I hesitate to use the word "god" for just this reason ... it leads to confusion.
Why do you believe that "there's much more to the universe"?
i bought a 3 year old filly that was never worked with. my goal is to train that horse to do the work i need done perfectly. she; like my other horses will obey voice commands and when she reaches the point of perfection; she will anticipate my needs and i won't need to make those voice commands. at that point; i am one with the horse. we ride as one; we work as one.
can you understand that?
why do you believe there isn't?