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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and you heard Jesus say this himself or....you are going by what some men claimed he said?

    and the day you were born, do you actually remember the day or are you going by what people claim?

    the Bible is God's Word, so yes, i've heard Jesus say it. :)
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PJammin' wrote:
    and the day you were born, do you actually remember the day or are you going by what people claim?

    the Bible is God's Word, so yes, i've heard Jesus say it. :)

    but i can prove i exist

    :D

    i'm not trying to attack you or your faith, i'm really not. i just don't understand how you know for certain yours is the true god/gospel? i don't think god would be that vain to think 'what, he called me buddha and not God!!?!? to hell w/ him!!!'

    out of curiousity...why are there different versions? like the king james version? why do ppl just put so much blind faith in god spoke to king james and told him the first edition had some typos or he changed his mind?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    El_Kabong wrote:
    but you said being gay is the work of the devil and you will go to hell....kinda sounds like you're making a judgement to me....now it has been a good while since i looked at this verse, but i remembered it as 'judge not...' not 'mock not...'

    i'll say it again in case you didn't understand. homosexuality is against God's word. anything that is against God's word is of the devil. take it as you may.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    El_Kabong wrote:
    but i can prove i exist

    :D

    i'm not trying to attack you or your faith, i'm really not. i just don't understand how you know for certain yours is the true god/gospel? i don't think god would be that vain to think 'what, he called me buddha and not God!!?!? to hell w/ him!!!'

    out of curiousity...why are there different versions? like the king james version? why do ppl just put so much blind faith in god spoke to king james and told him the first edition had some typos or he changed his mind?

    it doesn't matter if you attack my faith. it doesn't affect me. i know for certain that mine is the true God because Jesus Christ talked the talk and walked the walk. he came to bear the burden of everyone's sins. out of jealousy, he was treated like a criminal when all he wanted to do was heal people, spread love, and bring human beings back to God.

    there are original texts of the bible. the king james, catholic bible, etc., are different translations of the original texts. obviously the original texts weren't in english.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PJammin' wrote:
    i'll say it again in case you didn't understand. homosexuality is against God's word. anything that is against God's word is of the devil. take it as you may.


    i hope you don't eat pork or shellfish or shrimp....those were against his word, too, weren't they?

    oh, that's right...you'll say that was old testament and jesus replaced that...so where's the part of the new testament where jesus spoke about homosexuals?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PJammin' wrote:
    there are original texts of the bible. the king james, catholic bible, etc., are different translations of the original texts. obviously the original texts weren't in english.

    yes, but the king james version didn't just translate the original texts, changed actual words...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    it doesn't matter if you attack my faith. it doesn't affect me. i know for certain that mine is the true God because Jesus Christ talked the talk and walked the walk. he came to bear the burden of everyone's sins. out of jealousy, he was treated like a criminal when all he wanted to do was heal people, spread love, and bring human beings back to God.

    there are original texts of the bible. the king james, catholic bible, etc., are different translations of the original texts. obviously the original texts weren't in english.

    How do you know anything in the original texts is true?

    Also, how do you know that your english version is a true transcription of the original hebrew texts?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    El_Kabong wrote:
    yes, but the king james version didn't just translate the original texts, changed actual words...

    Such as Yam Suph (ים סוף)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    I'de better stay out of the Bible convo, because I'm just going to get really ticked off.
    I say, if it's man's (scientists, people have gone to college to learn about God) knowledge, it's crap.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    ForestBrain wrote:
    I'de better stay out of the Bible convo, because I'm just going to get really ticked off.
    I say, if it's man's (scientists, people have gone to college to learn about God) knowledge, it's crap.

    that sentence doesn't even make sense. so people that go to college to learn about the bible learn factual information to be relied upon, but people that go to college to learn physics learn... fake myths?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ForestBrain wrote:
    I'de better stay out of the Bible convo, because I'm just going to get really ticked off.
    I say, if it's man's (scientists, people have gone to college to learn about God) knowledge, it's crap.

    According to Daniel Denette, truth is counter-intuitive.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    El_Kabong wrote:
    so where's the part of the new testament where jesus spoke about homosexuals?

    if you know anything about God, Jesus is also included in the Old Testament since He existed before Abraham. you asked the question and here are the books, chapters, and verses. i doubt you'll check them out but i listed them anyway.

    Old Testament:

    Gen. 19:1-25
    Jdg. 19:13-20:48
    Lev. 18:22
    Lev. 20:13

    New Testament:

    Romans 1:24-32
    1 Timothy 1:9,10
    1 Corinthians 6:9
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    El_Kabong wrote:
    yes, but the king james version didn't just translate the original texts, changed actual words...

    the king james version translated the texts into the english language. just like someone translating something from spanish to english. so what.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PJammin' wrote:
    the king james version translated the texts into the english language. just like someone translating something from spanish to english. so what.


    go to a site like biblegateway.com and do a multi version search for different parts...words like witch to unclean, rape to lay with....
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    How do you know anything in the original texts is true?

    how do you know the owners manual for your car is true? the Bible is the owners manual for our lives. you trust someone who builds your car, but you don't trust the one who created you.
    Also, how do you know that your english version is a true transcription of the original hebrew texts?

    by having access to the original hebrew texts, and through scholars who devoted their lives to it. it's just like any other field where knowledge is passed down. people are more inclined to believe in their teachers in other earthly subjects, but they shun their true teacher in God and His kingdom.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    El_Kabong wrote:
    go to a site like biblegateway.com and do a multi version search for different parts...words like witch to unclean, rape to lay with....

    you're only trying to find ways to disprove the Bible. if you don't believe, you don't believe. the king james version was translated with a fine tooth comb. like i said, people are more likely to believe in their school books than the Bible. you'll never find truth if you always try to prove God wrong. why would He want to help someone who thinks that he knows more than Him. that's human pride. God's perfect. He made the mind. you'll NEVER know more than Him so don't be wise in your own eyes. just like it's said about people..."professing to be wise, they became fools." live your life the way you want. it's your soul at stake, not mine. :)
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    if you know anything about God, Jesus is also included in the Old Testament since He existed before Abraham. you asked the question and here are the books, chapters, and verses. i doubt you'll check them out but i listed them anyway.

    Old Testament:

    Gen. 19:1-25
    Jdg. 19:13-20:48
    Lev. 18:22
    Lev. 20:13

    New Testament:

    Romans 1:24-32
    1 Timothy 1:9,10
    1 Corinthians 6:9

    Did you get these from GodHatesFags.com?

    I agree God does hate fags, and partly that's why I hate God. Although hate is a strong word, I think it's fitting. I like the positive aspects of religion and the moral accountability a belief in God causes in humans. However, I feel these goals are attainable through empirics and would not have the same negatives.

    The underlying issue is that some people's wiring is a little messy and regardless of what they believe, their beliefs will always compliment their general nature or intuition. A person who is causally homicidal will still kill in the name of God even though the commandments say "Thou shalt not kill". A person who is causally homosexual could do the same, but chances are they will just choose a different belief system. I don't think the issue is what they believe, so much as what they are.

    I find it fascinating that people express themselves through fashion and state "This is who I am". Ask a goth, emo, punk, etc.. why they dress as they do and they will likely say "This is who I am". That style is representative somehow of their selves. We accept that, in terms of fashion, their is great diversity, subjectively people find pleasure in different colours. However, sexual preference is not unanimously granted the same diversity and the argument is "Where is the genetic basis?" so I ask "Where is the genetic basis for variation in fashion?" and if you ask a homosexual "Why do you date that way?" they will invariably say "This is who I am".

    Biblically speaking in terms of choice. There are two contradictory views, free-will and determinism. God's plan and your ability to choose God's path, retrospectively. Where is the line between what God planned and what was your own volition? It's a grey area. If a terrible disaster occurs, it's God's plan, if it's an extremely positive event, it's miraculous, again God's plan. Is it possible to choose our desires? If we can simply choose not to desire sex, why do priests occasionally do it? We can not turn off our desires. We can wean ourselves off chemical addictions such as alcohol or nicotine, and even biochemical addictions like love and hate, but we can't change our fundamental desires. I sat down and determined that pink is the most visually pleasing colour to me, it doesn't represent me in any way, I'm more of black/red or even blue guy, but I can't deny the fact that pink is the most pleasing colour to me. How do I change that? How do I tell myself that pink sucks, I fucking hate it, it makes me want to puke, and make it a reality?

    Here is a challenge. Make yourself gay, then change back, unless you find you want to remain gay. The claim is that gay people can change to straight, but they don't actually want to do that, those who have tried, failed. So perhaps a straight person who believes a person can change their sexual drive will change to being gay to prove it's possible. My suspicion is that they cannot even try. I doubt that anyone who makes these claims could even attempt to become gay. The thought would never cross the mind, and if it had, it would be dismissed promptly. I can't become disgusted with women. If I turned on a porn video, it would take some mental control to stop from getting an erection. Gay porn, I couldn't even watch it, it would probably cause a gag reflex. Anyway, just ranting on because I want to really make the point that sexual preference is not a preference, it's a drive.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • scw156
    scw156 Posts: 442
    PJammin' wrote:
    why would He want to help someone who thinks that he knows more than Him. He's perfect. He made the mind. you'll NEVER know more than Him so don't be wise in your own eyes.

    you are hardcore.







    but i can hit a curve ball...
    The Sentence Below Is True
    The Sentence Above Is False
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PJammin' wrote:
    you're only trying to find ways to disprove the Bible. if you don't believe, you don't believe. the king james version was translated with a fine tooth comb. like i said, people are more likely to believe in their school books than the Bible. you'll never find truth if you always try to prove God wrong. why would He want to help someone who thinks that he knows more than Him. that's human pride. God's perfect. He made the mind. you'll NEVER know more than Him so don't be wise in your own eyes. just like it's said about people..."professing to be wise, they became fools." live your life the way you want. it's your soul at stake, not mine. :)


    no, take this limited search for 1 example

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28%20;&version=31;51;50;48;15;

    Deuteronomy 22:28
    28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,

    28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered,

    28 “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out,
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    how do you know the owners manual for your car is true? the Bible is the owners manual for our lives. you trust someone who builds your car, but you don't trust the one who created you.

    There is no evidence that the biblical God built the universe. No more than the Mesapotamian God Gilgamish or the Sumerian Gods the Annunaki, Greek Gods, Roman Gods, Native American Spirits, etc.. etc..

    I can look on the back of my car where it says the brand name of the vehicle, look at the owner's manual with the brand and model on it. There are points of reference that tell me, this manual is for this car and it was built by this company. No example, cause I don't own a car. But the universe does not have a big logo on it saying "Built by Yahweh the God of Abraham". If it were so simple, there never would have been a Gilgamesh or Annunaki. Call the Bible history, but then on that same token, we have to accept all ancient texts as facts and they contradict each other. There is absolutely no basis for the belief but the belief it's self.
    by having access to the original hebrew texts, and through scholars who devoted their lives to it. it's just like any other field where knowledge is passed down. people are more inclined to believe in their teachers in other earthly subjects, but they shun their true teacher in God and His kingdom.

    There are known transcription errors in the King James Bible. Such as Yam Suph. The entire NAV is a transcription error.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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