i agree; but try to come up with something that 12% has believed for 4000 plus years that was later proven false. you then have to explain the miracles witnessed by many and explain them. how does a man with cancer and given a month to live go to loardes and walk down free of cancer? you're welcome to close your eyes to the signs but why must you attack (for lack of a better word) those who believe?
you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?
That's not true. Theists do attack atheists with statements like "Atheism is immoral"
And actually for thousands of years before Abraham people believed in multiple gods, and aliens. Their numbers have dwindled.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?
I don't think it is an attack on religion but an attack on those that try to force their religion upon non-believers.
I personally having nothing against any religion but when someone starts trying to shove their beliefs down my throat that is when my ire gets riled up.
The person who started this thread is doing exactly that. Hestarted this thread to promote his beliefs and put down the beliefs or lack of beleifs of others.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?
believers attack Atheists with their prayers...
stop thinking about me! stop hoping I go to church...
NOOOOOOOOO!
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because david karesh was teaching his own laws that went against the word of God. please, don't even compare Jesus and david karesh. it's a joke.
wasnt jesus teaching his own interpretation of old laws? turn the other cheek instead of eye for an eye? love the sinner hate the sin instead of stone the sinner? etc etc.?
I believe that's a statistical error. If asked "Do you believe in God?" that's open to interpretation, Spinoza's God? What God? 87% might believe in some form of a God, but is it the biblical God? not likely in all 87%.
Actually religious beliefs date back at least 10,000 years or more, I was strictly referring to the Abrahamic faiths with 4,000 years. So why are the Abrahamic faiths true and the 6,000 other's false?
There is much mystery of what happens when a person is legally brain dead, but some activity still occurs, delayed from reality by longer than Libet's 500 milliseconds. You may have been aware of some of these details prior to loss of conscious awareness. I'd say it's pretty inconclusive. I had a premonition once, saw the immediate future flash before me, yet, that does not serve as evidence for God to me.
Define soul. What does the soul experience and how does it differ from brain experiences?
now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.
i was unconscious hours before my death. and traveling to my family to a place i've never seen before yet being able to describe it in detail cannot be something i was aware of. it would be like you describing my office. it may not be proof of God but it proves life after death.
instead of defining soul; why not experience it? transendental meditation; asteral projection; and other methods will bring you the enlightenment. if all brains work the same; why are we different? why do we think differently? you can call upon DNA to identify a difference; but it doesn't explain it. DNA only identifies physical properties. if you were cloned; the clone will not think like you or believe what you believe. that myth has been discarded.
if you really need a deffinition; i'd say the soul is the part of you that makes you different from everyone else.
wasnt jesus teaching his own interpretation of old laws? turn the other cheek instead of eye for an eye? love the sinner hate the sin instead of stone the sinner? etc etc.?
I know the answer to this one too!
God in all of his perfection said things in such a way that people misinterpeted them. Such as "Eye for an Eye" then he sent Jesus down to say "No, it means 'Turn the other cheek'". It couldn't be that God changed his commands, that would imply imperfection on God's part. So it must be man that misinterpreted God's word. "Eye for an Eye" does not literally mean what it says, it means the opposite.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
First of all i don't it's "odd" or "asinine". Regardless of what you claim to have seen, i have known men who profess to be "gay" and all of them either have or would jump at the chance to have sex with very attractive women. And as far as women are concerned, it is also true that the vast majority of "gay" ones, have at least a dresser drawer full of fake cocks. WTF!? And i've said before the "face humiliation, discrimination, and degradation" argument simply doesn't hold water. "Gay" is fucking cool now. Its hip and popular. Beautiful women flock to be around gay men. i've heard them called "fag hags". Watch MTV for 5 freaking seconds. MTV is a fucking mirror of how pathetic pop culture really is. I firmly believe "gay" to be nothing more than a social construct.
i see... so you're taking mtv as your guide to gay culture. that's problematic. sure, there are a small handful of kids who say they're gay becos they want attention. but they're a small minority.
fact is, most gay men i know are downright grossed out by the thought of sex with women. i've heard them talk about it. they tried very hard, cos they didnt want to suffer the abuse of being gay. im dying to hear about these people you know who are gay and have "jumped at the chance" to sleep with women. most gay men i know have had sex with women at some point in an effort to be straight, but didnt like it.
and if you think being gay is cool, hip, and popular now, you're just plain insane and you yourself are living proof this is not the case. most states passed strong anti-gay constitutional amendments last election. they are still hated, feared, and abused by people like you every single day. it is no social construct. it's been present in human society for millenia and common throughout the animal kingdom as well... and they have no morality, only the desire to procreate and carry on the genes... yet they STILL have gay sex.
yes, there are "fag hags," but they hang out with the gay men becos they know they're the only men they can hang out with who aren't spending the entire time either thinking about or trying to fuck them. it sounds to me like you're jealous. that's ok, i occasionally hate gay people for hogging all the hotties too. but trust me, swallow your homophobia (not your homo friend), get in good with the gay men, and you will be swimming in pussy up to your ears.
long post short, yeah, your post was fucking ridiculous. it's the most out of touch thing i've ever read. mtv? THAT is your basis? jesus man, that's fucked up. if you believe everything you see on mtv, every 16 year old girl gets a million dollar birthday party and i've got some beautiful northwest ohio swampland to sell you.
now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.
If someone believes in a force in the universe that we don't yet understand, but don't think of it as a personal being, anything that you could call "him," don't think it's at all supernatural, and don't think it needs to be worshipped, what does that make them? Is that God? You may or may not think it is ... many people, particularly believers in the major religions, would not define such a force as "god," but if you ask the people who believe in it, they're going to say that yes, they believe in god, because that's what god is to them. You are presupposing that god is a being and must be worshipped, so right there you're biasing the question.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.
Okay, so Odin and Yahweh are the same God? The annunaki are really not multiple aliens, but one God? How do you rationalize that?
i was unconscious hours before my death. and traveling to my family to a place i've never seen before yet being able to describe it in detail cannot be something i was aware of. it would be like you describing my office. it may not be proof of God but it proves life after death.
Umm, white, or egg-shell walls, black or brown desk, probably with a hutch or some drawers, pen-holder, computer, keyboard, blotter, desk chair, window, plants, typical stuff you find in an office. Maybe I'll take a stab and suggest your mother was reading Cosmopolitan. Of course you'd know her better than me, if I was in a hospital dying, my mother wouldn't be reading a magazine, but if she were it'd be Cosmopolitan. Perhaps what you thought you saw was just your brain inferencing what might happen based on what it already knows. I would say that you are claiming some absolutes from something that is grey and largely unknown. Not surprisingly when I almost died, my brain just shut off and I had no experiences.
instead of defining soul; why not experience it? transendental meditation; asteral projection; and other methods will bring you the enlightenment. if all brains work the same; why are we different? why do we think differently? you can call upon DNA to identify a difference; but it doesn't explain it. DNA only identifies physical properties. if you were cloned; the clone will not think like you or believe what you believe. that myth has been discarded.
if you really need a deffinition; i'd say the soul is the part of you that makes you different from everyone else.
I'm really not interested in psychotic experiences. And I apologize, that is what I interpret them to be. The soul does not exists, the variation in experience and some level of randomness causes the variation in people. This mostly all been proven through socio-biology, neuroscience and psychology. But those books might be too new for you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If someone believes in a force in the universe that we don't yet understand, but don't think of it as a personal being, anything that you could call "him," don't think it's at all supernatural, and don't think it needs to be worshipped, what does that make them? Is that God? You may or may not think it is ... many people, particularly believers in the major religions, would not define such a force as "god," but if you ask the people who believe in it, they're going to say that yes, they believe in god, because that's what god is to them. You are presupposing that god is a being and must be worshipped, so right there you're biasing the question.
Yea polling is pretty much always bias. It's difficult to get a good statistic. Not even sure where this information is coming from, but I had the same initial thought.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I don't think it is an attack on religion but an attack on those that try to force their religion upon non-believers.
I personally having nothing against any religion but when someone starts trying to shove their beliefs down my throat that is when my ire gets riled up.
The person who started this thread is doing exactly that. Hestarted this thread to promote his beliefs and put down the beliefs or lack of beleifs of others.
I essentially agree. My mother, grandmother, many friends are very religious. I never have a problem with it until my mom starts her occasional preach session... then I get annoyed.
I also don't like when there is a (mostly) educated conversation going on with regards to something scientific and someone can only contribute.. "Gods work!"
I was raised a Catholic for 18 years. Went to classes, went to church every Sunday, altar boy, communion, confirmation... not once did I try to convert one of my friends who is of another religion. not once did i say "God says you are going to hell". not once did I say "I'm praying for you". They believe what they want when they are at home or in church, when we are together we just hang out... no matter our thoughts.
So please don't pray for me
don't tell me I'm going to hell because your God says so
don't tell me the Earth is round because God made it that way
don't tell me a book written by some guys a long time ago came right from the horses mouth.
and for the sake of all you religious people out there...
Peace be with you.
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you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?
i have seen anti-atheist threads, i've even participated in a few. believers do plenty of attacking. case in point: why am i not allowed to mock gays?
I essentially agree. My mother, grandmother, many friends are very religious. I never have a problem with it until my mom starts her occasional preach session... then I get annoyed.
Peace be with you.
and when athiests start preaching; the rest of us get annoyed.
sorry; my mistake. i haven't seen any. i've mostly seen athiest threads that try to convert others to their way of thinking.
you can mock gays all you want. we call them rope suckers here.
Please refrain
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and when athiests start preaching; the rest of us get annoyed.
I don't think stating the obvious equates to preaching.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i never said, "well, you're going to hell then." look back on my words and "I" didn't say that. i never said that i was the judge. if you believe there isn't a God, a heaven and a hell then you have nothing to worry about, right. i came here to add to this particular thread and you want to make me out to be a hater. that's not what i'm about. i don't wish the worst on people, and i don't care if you think that i'm that way or not.
I never said YOU were the judge. You believe in the word of god in the bible, the bible says those who don't believe etc. go to hell, therefore... you believe that someone like me (and many others here) will go to hell... So excuse me, your statements were more along the lines of "As per Gods word, you will be attending Hell and I believe Gods word".
Secondly, you are "wishing" the worst on people. you just aren't coming right out and saying it. You say you want to get along with everyone... then instead of saying "You are going to Hell because God says so and I believe Gods word" you are saying "Gods book states you those who dont believe will go to hell" same thing, just reworded. It boils down to this: You want to get along, yet when someone without your same beliefs speaks about not believing you tell them they are going to Hell.. and Hell for YOU is the worst place ever...
Thanks for the well wishes.
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what is obvious to you is utter bullshit to me; thus you are preaching bullshit to me.
If you abandon your thoughts. It would be obvious to you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I never said YOU were the judge. You believe in the word of god in the bible, the bible says those who don't believe etc. go to hell, therefore... you believe that someone like me (and many others here) will go to hell... So excuse me, your statements were more along the lines of "As per Gods word, you will be attending Hell and I believe Gods word".
Secondly, you are "wishing" the worst on people. you just aren't coming right out and saying it. You say you want to get along with everyone... then instead of saying "You are going to Hell because God says so and I believe Gods word" you are saying "Gods book states you those who dont believe will go to hell" same thing, just reworded. It boils down to this: You want to get along, yet when someone without your same beliefs speaks about not believing you tell them they are going to Hell.. and Hell for YOU is the worst place ever...
Thanks for the well wishes.
i thought hell was a modern concept. invented by dante. biblical hell is not entering the kingdom of God. it's not that you go somewhere; it's that you are excluded. i don't recall anyone wishing the worst on you. if you reject God; you will not be allowed in his kingdom. if you don't believe in the kingdom of God; no one wished anything upon you.
you're second paragraph is interesting. it shows hyprocracy at it's finest. you're preaching athiesm while condemning what others believe only because they do not agree with you.
that's annoying dude. extend them the same courtesy you are demanding of them.
If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
Besides that, they are in-fact wrong.
I personally don't care if saying they are wrong is annoying. It can't be any more annoying than listening to people mock homosexuality. Religion is obsolete, unfortunately these people still fall for it. Then again, maybe they need it to have any kind of understanding. It's quite obvious that even with it, they are still prejudice. Without it, they might be the most hateful people to live.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i thought hell was a modern concept. invented by dante. biblical hell is not entering the kingdom of God. it's not that you go somewhere; it's that you are excluded. i don't recall anyone wishing the worst on you. if you reject God; you will not be allowed in his kingdom. if you don't believe in the kingdom of God; no one wished anything upon you.
you're second paragraph is interesting. it shows hyprocracy at it's finest. you're preaching athiesm while condemning what others believe only because they do not agree with you.
Sweet, I don't want to go to the kingdom of God, Hell sounds like a good place.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"If you start thinking like me, it will be obvious to you"
no; sorry. he cannot think beyond the mind and frankly; he's not worth my time. i'll defend my right to believe what i choose; but athiesm just means less clowns in the next life. there's something i can promote.
that's annoying dude. extend them the same courtesy you are demanding of them.
common courtesy is a foreign concept to some people. I'm quite sure there's a scientific reason to hide behind why some of them can't be bothered extending it to others.
no; sorry. he cannot think beyond the mind and frankly; he's not worth my time. i'll defend my right to believe what i choose; but athiesm just means less clowns in the next life. there's something i can promote.
Cannot think beyond the mind? What does that mean, do you think with your arm?
Hey, as long as you can leave it for the next life, I'm happy. You can stop talking shit about homosexuality and just know you won't have to worry about them in your next life. That would be great, thanks.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i thought hell was a modern concept. invented by dante. biblical hell is not entering the kingdom of God. it's not that you go somewhere; it's that you are excluded. i don't recall anyone wishing the worst on you. if you reject God; you will not be allowed in his kingdom. if you don't believe in the kingdom of God; no one wished anything upon you.
you're second paragraph is interesting. it shows hyprocracy at it's finest. you're preaching athiesm while condemning what others believe only because they do not agree with you.
by you believing in something negative and saying I will go there... thats not wishing me well... I don't believe I will go there... that doesn't mean it wasn't meant negatively by the person who does believe it.
If i believe in a place called "no no" that is a very terrible place and say you are going there, whether you believe in that place or not I was essentially saying you're screwed and I'm not hoping the best for you.
i'm condemning people who thrust what they believe on me... like the "i'm praying for you" or "God says Hell for you" comments. i "believe" in science, if thats what you want to call it. You dont hear me saying "Oh, I'll go do a physics problem for you" or "trees will not grow because you will make a bad decomposer" when people talk about God. I just state that I don't believe it.
I'm not even sure of what I'm typing anymore, I've been sitting here for too long without nourishment... When I'm done I'll rise again up the steps and spread my word in this forum...
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common courtesy is a foreign concept to some people. I'm quite sure there's a scientific reason to hide behind why some of them can't be bothered extending it to others.
Onelongsong's view is prejudice and hateful. I may be bigoted, but I don't hate. There is a big difference here. My view doesn't actually hurt anyone, perhaps my aggressive method of discourse does, but I view that as a weakness on the receiving end.
I am not disgusted by homosexuality. Onelongsong is, he is speaking hate and I don't appreciate it. Especially when he denies actual evidence, not ancient fairy tales, but real fucking facts that are right under his nose. He's blind by his preconceived notions. Homosexuality is not a free-choice, nothing is. The sooner that is realized, the better off we will all be. Give it 15 years and you will be the minority, the numbers will reverse, atheism is growing as more and more people abandon the ancient school of thought. Within my lifetime I will see a major fall in Onelongsongs and haters alike. By 2030 we will know with absolute certainty that we are biological robots, the product of cellular automata. Many people already know this, the latest statistics show only 15% of the top thinkers believe in a God and they are mostly Einstein's God. Faith is a matter of ignorance.
I'm not going to hide the facts, sweep observable truth under the rug for someone's fantasy. Onelongsong's belief is based on nothing, absolutely nothing, but a history of reinforcement from his peers and a single subjective experience. Still it's more than what most religious fanatics base their beliefs on.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I personally don't care if saying they are wrong is annoying. It can't be any more annoying than listening to people mock homosexuality. Religion is obsolete, unfortunately these people still fall for it. Then again, maybe they need it to have any kind of understanding. It's quite obvious that even with it, they are still prejudice. Without it, they might be the most hateful people to live.
they think you are in-fact wrong. and neither of you has proof of it. so you're talking out your ass as much as they.
but yeah, justifying hate with religion is bad. im just saying, talk them out of the hateful interpretation of their religion, not the religion itself. that is for them to decide and has no impact on you.
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That's not true. Theists do attack atheists with statements like "Atheism is immoral"
And actually for thousands of years before Abraham people believed in multiple gods, and aliens. Their numbers have dwindled.
I don't think it is an attack on religion but an attack on those that try to force their religion upon non-believers.
I personally having nothing against any religion but when someone starts trying to shove their beliefs down my throat that is when my ire gets riled up.
The person who started this thread is doing exactly that. Hestarted this thread to promote his beliefs and put down the beliefs or lack of beleifs of others.
believers attack Atheists with their prayers...
stop thinking about me! stop hoping I go to church...
NOOOOOOOOO!
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wasnt jesus teaching his own interpretation of old laws? turn the other cheek instead of eye for an eye? love the sinner hate the sin instead of stone the sinner? etc etc.?
now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.
i was unconscious hours before my death. and traveling to my family to a place i've never seen before yet being able to describe it in detail cannot be something i was aware of. it would be like you describing my office. it may not be proof of God but it proves life after death.
instead of defining soul; why not experience it? transendental meditation; asteral projection; and other methods will bring you the enlightenment. if all brains work the same; why are we different? why do we think differently? you can call upon DNA to identify a difference; but it doesn't explain it. DNA only identifies physical properties. if you were cloned; the clone will not think like you or believe what you believe. that myth has been discarded.
if you really need a deffinition; i'd say the soul is the part of you that makes you different from everyone else.
I know the answer to this one too!
God in all of his perfection said things in such a way that people misinterpeted them. Such as "Eye for an Eye" then he sent Jesus down to say "No, it means 'Turn the other cheek'". It couldn't be that God changed his commands, that would imply imperfection on God's part. So it must be man that misinterpreted God's word. "Eye for an Eye" does not literally mean what it says, it means the opposite.
i see... so you're taking mtv as your guide to gay culture. that's problematic. sure, there are a small handful of kids who say they're gay becos they want attention. but they're a small minority.
fact is, most gay men i know are downright grossed out by the thought of sex with women. i've heard them talk about it. they tried very hard, cos they didnt want to suffer the abuse of being gay. im dying to hear about these people you know who are gay and have "jumped at the chance" to sleep with women. most gay men i know have had sex with women at some point in an effort to be straight, but didnt like it.
and if you think being gay is cool, hip, and popular now, you're just plain insane and you yourself are living proof this is not the case. most states passed strong anti-gay constitutional amendments last election. they are still hated, feared, and abused by people like you every single day. it is no social construct. it's been present in human society for millenia and common throughout the animal kingdom as well... and they have no morality, only the desire to procreate and carry on the genes... yet they STILL have gay sex.
yes, there are "fag hags," but they hang out with the gay men becos they know they're the only men they can hang out with who aren't spending the entire time either thinking about or trying to fuck them. it sounds to me like you're jealous. that's ok, i occasionally hate gay people for hogging all the hotties too. but trust me, swallow your homophobia (not your homo friend), get in good with the gay men, and you will be swimming in pussy up to your ears.
long post short, yeah, your post was fucking ridiculous. it's the most out of touch thing i've ever read. mtv? THAT is your basis? jesus man, that's fucked up. if you believe everything you see on mtv, every 16 year old girl gets a million dollar birthday party and i've got some beautiful northwest ohio swampland to sell you.
Okay, so Odin and Yahweh are the same God? The annunaki are really not multiple aliens, but one God? How do you rationalize that?
Umm, white, or egg-shell walls, black or brown desk, probably with a hutch or some drawers, pen-holder, computer, keyboard, blotter, desk chair, window, plants, typical stuff you find in an office. Maybe I'll take a stab and suggest your mother was reading Cosmopolitan. Of course you'd know her better than me, if I was in a hospital dying, my mother wouldn't be reading a magazine, but if she were it'd be Cosmopolitan. Perhaps what you thought you saw was just your brain inferencing what might happen based on what it already knows. I would say that you are claiming some absolutes from something that is grey and largely unknown. Not surprisingly when I almost died, my brain just shut off and I had no experiences.
I'm really not interested in psychotic experiences. And I apologize, that is what I interpret them to be. The soul does not exists, the variation in experience and some level of randomness causes the variation in people. This mostly all been proven through socio-biology, neuroscience and psychology. But those books might be too new for you.
Yea polling is pretty much always bias. It's difficult to get a good statistic. Not even sure where this information is coming from, but I had the same initial thought.
I essentially agree. My mother, grandmother, many friends are very religious. I never have a problem with it until my mom starts her occasional preach session... then I get annoyed.
I also don't like when there is a (mostly) educated conversation going on with regards to something scientific and someone can only contribute.. "Gods work!"
I was raised a Catholic for 18 years. Went to classes, went to church every Sunday, altar boy, communion, confirmation... not once did I try to convert one of my friends who is of another religion. not once did i say "God says you are going to hell". not once did I say "I'm praying for you". They believe what they want when they are at home or in church, when we are together we just hang out... no matter our thoughts.
So please don't pray for me
don't tell me I'm going to hell because your God says so
don't tell me the Earth is round because God made it that way
don't tell me a book written by some guys a long time ago came right from the horses mouth.
and for the sake of all you religious people out there...
Peace be with you.
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i have seen anti-atheist threads, i've even participated in a few. believers do plenty of attacking. case in point: why am i not allowed to mock gays?
sorry; my mistake. i haven't seen any. i've mostly seen athiest threads that try to convert others to their way of thinking.
you can mock gays all you want. we call them rope suckers here.
and when athiests start preaching; the rest of us get annoyed.
Please refrain
I don't think stating the obvious equates to preaching.
I never said YOU were the judge. You believe in the word of god in the bible, the bible says those who don't believe etc. go to hell, therefore... you believe that someone like me (and many others here) will go to hell... So excuse me, your statements were more along the lines of "As per Gods word, you will be attending Hell and I believe Gods word".
Secondly, you are "wishing" the worst on people. you just aren't coming right out and saying it. You say you want to get along with everyone... then instead of saying "You are going to Hell because God says so and I believe Gods word" you are saying "Gods book states you those who dont believe will go to hell" same thing, just reworded. It boils down to this: You want to get along, yet when someone without your same beliefs speaks about not believing you tell them they are going to Hell.. and Hell for YOU is the worst place ever...
Thanks for the well wishes.
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what is obvious to you is utter bullshit to me; thus you are preaching bullshit to me.
If you abandon your thoughts. It would be obvious to you.
And onelongsong will say something back like:
"If you start thinking like me, it will be obvious to you"
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that's annoying dude. extend them the same courtesy you are demanding of them.
i thought hell was a modern concept. invented by dante. biblical hell is not entering the kingdom of God. it's not that you go somewhere; it's that you are excluded. i don't recall anyone wishing the worst on you. if you reject God; you will not be allowed in his kingdom. if you don't believe in the kingdom of God; no one wished anything upon you.
you're second paragraph is interesting. it shows hyprocracy at it's finest. you're preaching athiesm while condemning what others believe only because they do not agree with you.
If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
Besides that, they are in-fact wrong.
I personally don't care if saying they are wrong is annoying. It can't be any more annoying than listening to people mock homosexuality. Religion is obsolete, unfortunately these people still fall for it. Then again, maybe they need it to have any kind of understanding. It's quite obvious that even with it, they are still prejudice. Without it, they might be the most hateful people to live.
Sweet, I don't want to go to the kingdom of God, Hell sounds like a good place.
no; sorry. he cannot think beyond the mind and frankly; he's not worth my time. i'll defend my right to believe what i choose; but athiesm just means less clowns in the next life. there's something i can promote.
common courtesy is a foreign concept to some people. I'm quite sure there's a scientific reason to hide behind why some of them can't be bothered extending it to others.
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Cannot think beyond the mind? What does that mean, do you think with your arm?
Hey, as long as you can leave it for the next life, I'm happy. You can stop talking shit about homosexuality and just know you won't have to worry about them in your next life. That would be great, thanks.
by you believing in something negative and saying I will go there... thats not wishing me well... I don't believe I will go there... that doesn't mean it wasn't meant negatively by the person who does believe it.
If i believe in a place called "no no" that is a very terrible place and say you are going there, whether you believe in that place or not I was essentially saying you're screwed and I'm not hoping the best for you.
i'm condemning people who thrust what they believe on me... like the "i'm praying for you" or "God says Hell for you" comments. i "believe" in science, if thats what you want to call it. You dont hear me saying "Oh, I'll go do a physics problem for you" or "trees will not grow because you will make a bad decomposer" when people talk about God. I just state that I don't believe it.
I'm not even sure of what I'm typing anymore, I've been sitting here for too long without nourishment... When I'm done I'll rise again up the steps and spread my word in this forum...
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Onelongsong's view is prejudice and hateful. I may be bigoted, but I don't hate. There is a big difference here. My view doesn't actually hurt anyone, perhaps my aggressive method of discourse does, but I view that as a weakness on the receiving end.
I am not disgusted by homosexuality. Onelongsong is, he is speaking hate and I don't appreciate it. Especially when he denies actual evidence, not ancient fairy tales, but real fucking facts that are right under his nose. He's blind by his preconceived notions. Homosexuality is not a free-choice, nothing is. The sooner that is realized, the better off we will all be. Give it 15 years and you will be the minority, the numbers will reverse, atheism is growing as more and more people abandon the ancient school of thought. Within my lifetime I will see a major fall in Onelongsongs and haters alike. By 2030 we will know with absolute certainty that we are biological robots, the product of cellular automata. Many people already know this, the latest statistics show only 15% of the top thinkers believe in a God and they are mostly Einstein's God. Faith is a matter of ignorance.
I'm not going to hide the facts, sweep observable truth under the rug for someone's fantasy. Onelongsong's belief is based on nothing, absolutely nothing, but a history of reinforcement from his peers and a single subjective experience. Still it's more than what most religious fanatics base their beliefs on.
they think you are in-fact wrong. and neither of you has proof of it. so you're talking out your ass as much as they.
but yeah, justifying hate with religion is bad. im just saying, talk them out of the hateful interpretation of their religion, not the religion itself. that is for them to decide and has no impact on you.