I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Now that I've answered the question "Why is that true?"
You can aswer that question too.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i bought a 3 year old filly that was never worked with. my goal is to train that horse to do the work i need done perfectly. she; like my other horses will obey voice commands and when she reaches the point of perfection; she will anticipate my needs and i won't need to make those voice commands. at that point; i am one with the horse. we ride as one; we work as one.
can you understand that?
Ok, but how does that relate to your relationship with god. Dies this mean that you are gogin to anticipate god's thoughts and moves, or that you will be perfectly trained by him , or him by you.
I have done a bit of horse trianing, and you can certainly train a horse to respond to teh most imperceptible of cues, and teach them repeatable routines etc, but I'm not sure that it consdtitututes a "oneness", or you would be as responsive to her directions as she is to yours.
Are you really suggesting that you will be an equal peer to teh creator of teh Univerese ???
so your science is flawed. look back 200 years. what did science know? by the way you're talking; you would have put all your faith in the science of the time. so what science of the day cannot see; does not exist. that is what you portray to us.
Why do you believe that "there's much more to the universe"?
Several reasons. The main one is that the universe that we know of is so vast, so incredible, so full of surprises, and that's just the stuff we know are facts. I don't think we're all THAT smart, and our senses are very limited. There's gotta be plenty more to it.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Several reasons. The main one is that the universe that we know of is so vast, so incredible, so full of surprises, and that's just the stuff we know are facts. I don't think we're all THAT smart, and our senses are very limited. There's gotta be plenty more to it.
So, speculation then?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so your science is flawed. look back 200 years. what did science know? by the way you're talking; you would have put all your faith in the science of the time. so what science of the day cannot see; does not exist. that is what you portray to us.
This isn't 200 years ago. Your science goes back 4,000 years. What did it know then? How to walk 40 years through a desert, it shouldn't have taken 40 years, but hey, that's why we have science now.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Oh yeah, I don't claim to have any proof, and I don't encourage anyone to agree with me. Just my personal hunch, nothing more
Ok, just asking, glad you can give a causal explanation. So, you wouldn't use this speculation of a more expansive nature to argue a point about abortion or homosexuality, right?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, just asking, glad you can give a causal explanation. So, you wouldn't use this speculation of a more expansive nature to argue a point about abortion or homosexuality, right?
Absolutely not. The closest thing to "god" that I believe in does not have a personality, does not meddle in our affairs, doesn't make up silly rules. It is not in any way supernatural, doesn't read minds, doesn't answer prayers, and so on and so forth. That's why I'm hesitant to use the word, most people would totally misunderstand what I'm talking about. I'm not sure I could adequately explain what I'm talking about myself, lol. I may try one of these days, but I'd take my time about doing it because I would want to be very precise. It's much simpler to explain what I'm NOT talking about.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Absolutely not. The closest thing to "god" that I believe in does not have a personality, does not meddle in our affairs, doesn't make up silly rules. It is not in any way supernatural, doesn't read minds, doesn't answer prayers, and so on and so forth. That's why I'm hesitant to use the word, most people would totally misunderstand what I'm talking about. I'm not sure I could adequately explain what I'm talking about myself, lol. I may try one of these days, but I'd take my time about doing it because I would want to be very precise. It's much simpler to explain what I'm NOT talking about.
Sounds like you are talking about human ignorance, or the unknown, the unexplained, that which we do not know we do not know.
If OLS would answer my "Why?" questions, we'd learn that his belief is speculative as well.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, but how does that relate to your relationship with god. Dies this mean that you are gogin to anticipate god's thoughts and moves, or that you will be perfectly trained by him , or him by you.
I have done a bit of horse trianing, and you can certainly train a horse to respond to teh most imperceptible of cues, and teach them repeatable routines etc, but I'm not sure that it consdtitututes a "oneness", or you would be as responsive to her directions as she is to yours.
Are you really suggesting that you will be an equal peer to teh creator of teh Univerese ???
oneness is an expression. i've had horses protect me and on one occasion a couple months ago; a buffalo protected me. i have a wild turkey that will come and sit by me and let me hold it. i guess it's a oneness with nature.
as far as God; you must find God within yourself. that's the only place you will find him. and i use the word "him" for lack of a better adjective. God made us in his image; but not the human image you see here. it's the image that goes on when we shed these bodies.
anyway; i don't have the time to get into a long drawn out explaination of how we got here with religion. it's basically because early man couldn't comprehend so they envisioned God as an old man sitting on a throne. they made it into something they could understand. the modern church does the same thing. which; i suppose; is the reason you denounce it.
oneness is an expression. i've had horses protect me and on one occasion a couple months ago; a buffalo protected me. i have a wild turkey that will come and sit by me and let me hold it. i guess it's a oneness with nature.
as far as God; you must find God within yourself. that's the only place you will find him. and i use the word "him" for lack of a better adjective. God made us in his image; but not the human image you see here. it's the image that goes on when we shed these bodies.
anyway; i don't have the time to get into a long drawn out explaination of how we got here with religion. it's basically because early man couldn't comprehend so they envisioned God as an old man sitting on a throne. they made it into something they could understand. the modern church does the same thing. which; i suppose; is the reason you denounce it.
Speculation. Not a good basis for discrimination.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
We both know that isn't going to happen. Their ignorance strongly impacts me. On the Canadian Charter of Human Rights "Whereas Canada was founded under the supremecy of god..." In the Canadian National Anthem "God keep our land..." in our courts "...so help me God."
Even on this forum, if we discuss abortion, homosexuality or anything, we invariably get a swarm of bible-thumpers proclaiming the word of God, fuck that. I'm through with that shit.
does that stuff in the human rights thing really bother or affect you outside of you being annoyed by it? but yes, they do use it to meddle in politics, but show them you respect their religion and maybe they'll be a bit more willing to talk about their stances on the issues reasonably.
Sounds like you are talking about human ignorance, or the unknown, the unexplained, that which we do not know we do not know.
If OLS would answer my "Why?" questions, we'd learn that his belief is speculative as well.
if OLS had the time; he'd get into it with you. you speak of ignorance; isn't that what you're guilty of? look at it: you say that the only things that exist are what science can prove now. that is ignorance. pure ignorance. to say nothing more exists because we can't prove it. or rather science can't prove it. so what of tomorrow? should science stop now? are you saying science has gone as far as it possably can? and what becomes of tomorrows discoveries? it's so hard to debate with a closed mind. i'm so glad science doesn't hold your views. it never would have advanced had it believed there is nothing more.
if OLS had the time; he'd get into it with you. you speak of ignorance; isn't that what you're guilty of? look at it: you say that the only things that exist are what science can prove now. that is ignorance. pure ignorance. to say nothing more exists because we can't prove it. or rather science can't prove it. so what of tomorrow? should science stop now? are you saying science has gone as far as it possably can? and what becomes of tomorrows discoveries? it's so hard to debate with a closed mind. i'm so glad science doesn't hold your views. it never would have advanced had it believed there is nothing more.
I never said that. I said that which science cannot prove is mere speculation and not a good basis for moral argument or any argument really. You discriminate against homosexuality because of speculation, it's fucking ridiculous, you are a hater.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
does that stuff in the human rights thing really bother or affect you outside of you being annoyed by it? but yes, they do use it to meddle in politics, but show them you respect their religion and maybe they'll be a bit more willing to talk about their stances on the issues reasonably.
lol, the problem is, even if you do respect religious beliefs, your gonna get the zealots that don't budge, and then your debate is pointless. I'd rather we don't have a speculative debate and go with that which is objectively observable, such as there is a 50% concordance of sexual preference between monozygotic twins (Bailey & Pillard) that means a lot more to me than because some fucking Fairy said so. I'm not gonna debate what the fairy godmother says about Chinese politics, it really doesn't matter.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I never said that. I said that which science cannot prove is mere speculation and not a good basis for moral argument or any argument really. You discriminate against homosexuality because of speculation, it's fucking ridiculous, you are a hater.
i've never once discriminated against homosexuality. where the hell are you getting that from? i don't agree with it but that doesn't mean i discriminate. i'll make jokes just as i have to listen to polish jokes; but if we can't laugh at ourselves; who can we laugh at?
got to go. let's pick this up tomorrow.
i've never once discriminated against homosexuality. where the hell are you getting that from? i don't agree with it but that doesn't mean i discriminate. i'll make jokes just as i have to listen to polish jokes; but if we can't laugh at ourselves; who can we laugh at?
got to go. let's pick this up tomorrow.
Interesting, I've never heard a polish joke before and probably wouldn't find it funny anyway. I know a polish guy that says there are a lot of polish jokes, but I'm thinking it's the pols that make up these jokes.
Kind of like newfies, the mass of newfie jokes came out of newfoundland. They did it to themselves in a way. But I can't post a joke about black people on her, firstly it's not even that funny. It's only funny from the perspective that people are stereotypical.
But none-the-less you do argue that homosexuality is immoral, which is discrimination in my opinion. But then again, religion claims a monopoly on morality, so that makes me immoral aswell.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
oneness is an expression. i've had horses protect me and on one occasion a couple months ago; a buffalo protected me. i have a wild turkey that will come and sit by me and let me hold it. i guess it's a oneness with nature.
as far as God; you must find God within yourself. that's the only place you will find him. and i use the word "him" for lack of a better adjective. God made us in his image; but not the human image you see here. it's the image that goes on when we shed these bodies.
anyway; i don't have the time to get into a long drawn out explaination of how we got here with religion. it's basically because early man couldn't comprehend so they envisioned God as an old man sitting on a throne. they made it into something they could understand. the modern church does the same thing. which; i suppose; is the reason you denounce it.
So this is more interesting. You have an approach to life which is quite similar to mine, in that you fit into teh natural world around you and find enrichment and fulfillment in that. I have had similar experiences, and they are some of my most teasured memories.
You are right, when I say that I don't like anything about teh way religion, modern or otherwise makes God out to be some stern bloke in a roeb who will fry you in hell for breaking their rules etc etc etc.
What i don't get is how you get from your oneness with nature, which I do easily underssand and appreciate, to a concept of a monotheistic god.
I am contenet that teh world can exist,and that dolphins jumping out of a wave in front of me can put a grin you could lose a truck in on my face.
No god needed to explain or justify that for me.
BTW, did you see the pic of my colt sitting on a bean bag ???
Interesting, I've never heard a polish joke before and probably wouldn't find it funny anyway. I know a polish guy that says there are a lot of polish jokes, but I'm thinking it's the pols that make up these jokes.
Kind of like newfies, the mass of newfie jokes came out of newfoundland. They did it to themselves in a way. But I can't post a joke about black people on her, firstly it's not even that funny. It's only funny from the perspective that people are stereotypical.
But none-the-less you do argue that homosexuality is immoral, which is discrimination in my opinion. But then again, religion claims a monopoly on morality, so that makes me immoral aswell.
delusion, n. imposing or being imposed on; false impression or opinion, esp. as a symptom or form of madness.
of grandeur, hallicinatory exaggeration of one's own personality or status.
Main Entry: de·lu·sion
Pronunciation: di-'lü-zh&n, dE-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
- de·lu·sion·al /-'lüzh-n&l, -'lü-zh&-n&l/ adjective
- de·lu·sion·ary /-zh&-"ner-E/ adjective
synonyms DELUSION, ILLUSION, HALLUCINATION, MIRAGE mean something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal. DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind <delusions of persecution>. ILLUSION implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines <an illusion of safety>. HALLUCINATION implies impressions that are the product of disordered senses, as because of mental illness or drugs <suffered from terrifying hallucinations>. MIRAGE in its extended sense applies to an illusory vision, dream, hope, or aim <claimed a balanced budget is a mirage>.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
lol, the problem is, even if you do respect religious beliefs, your gonna get the zealots that don't budge, and then your debate is pointless. I'd rather we don't have a speculative debate and go with that which is objectively observable, such as there is a 50% concordance of sexual preference between monozygotic twins (Bailey & Pillard) that means a lot more to me than because some fucking Fairy said so. I'm not gonna debate what the fairy godmother says about Chinese politics, it really doesn't matter.
so? so they don't budge? you dont have to convince all the zealots. only enough to get a majority vote
Don't you think it's interesting that we all seem to share more commanalities than we might first seem to think?
It would be much better I think, if we could accept other peoples differences, but at the very least, I think we could all learn to at least be more tolerant of diversity of opinion.
are we sure there's no repressed homosexuality going on here? cause watching you two 'debate' is like watching some weird mating ritual.
haha nice one!
I'm not operationally gay, but the thought of fucking a man has crossed my mind, it was quickly trashed though. And hey, I'm not afraid to say that. But, I'm also not homophobic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The definition of delusional is wrong, or at least incomplete.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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Because there is no evidence for it.
Now that I've answered the question "Why is that true?"
You can aswer that question too.
Ok, but how does that relate to your relationship with god. Dies this mean that you are gogin to anticipate god's thoughts and moves, or that you will be perfectly trained by him , or him by you.
I have done a bit of horse trianing, and you can certainly train a horse to respond to teh most imperceptible of cues, and teach them repeatable routines etc, but I'm not sure that it consdtitututes a "oneness", or you would be as responsive to her directions as she is to yours.
Are you really suggesting that you will be an equal peer to teh creator of teh Univerese ???
so your science is flawed. look back 200 years. what did science know? by the way you're talking; you would have put all your faith in the science of the time. so what science of the day cannot see; does not exist. that is what you portray to us.
So, speculation then?
This isn't 200 years ago. Your science goes back 4,000 years. What did it know then? How to walk 40 years through a desert, it shouldn't have taken 40 years, but hey, that's why we have science now.
Ok, just asking, glad you can give a causal explanation. So, you wouldn't use this speculation of a more expansive nature to argue a point about abortion or homosexuality, right?
Sounds like you are talking about human ignorance, or the unknown, the unexplained, that which we do not know we do not know.
If OLS would answer my "Why?" questions, we'd learn that his belief is speculative as well.
oneness is an expression. i've had horses protect me and on one occasion a couple months ago; a buffalo protected me. i have a wild turkey that will come and sit by me and let me hold it. i guess it's a oneness with nature.
as far as God; you must find God within yourself. that's the only place you will find him. and i use the word "him" for lack of a better adjective. God made us in his image; but not the human image you see here. it's the image that goes on when we shed these bodies.
anyway; i don't have the time to get into a long drawn out explaination of how we got here with religion. it's basically because early man couldn't comprehend so they envisioned God as an old man sitting on a throne. they made it into something they could understand. the modern church does the same thing. which; i suppose; is the reason you denounce it.
Speculation. Not a good basis for discrimination.
does that stuff in the human rights thing really bother or affect you outside of you being annoyed by it? but yes, they do use it to meddle in politics, but show them you respect their religion and maybe they'll be a bit more willing to talk about their stances on the issues reasonably.
if OLS had the time; he'd get into it with you. you speak of ignorance; isn't that what you're guilty of? look at it: you say that the only things that exist are what science can prove now. that is ignorance. pure ignorance. to say nothing more exists because we can't prove it. or rather science can't prove it. so what of tomorrow? should science stop now? are you saying science has gone as far as it possably can? and what becomes of tomorrows discoveries? it's so hard to debate with a closed mind. i'm so glad science doesn't hold your views. it never would have advanced had it believed there is nothing more.
I never said that. I said that which science cannot prove is mere speculation and not a good basis for moral argument or any argument really. You discriminate against homosexuality because of speculation, it's fucking ridiculous, you are a hater.
lol, the problem is, even if you do respect religious beliefs, your gonna get the zealots that don't budge, and then your debate is pointless. I'd rather we don't have a speculative debate and go with that which is objectively observable, such as there is a 50% concordance of sexual preference between monozygotic twins (Bailey & Pillard) that means a lot more to me than because some fucking Fairy said so. I'm not gonna debate what the fairy godmother says about Chinese politics, it really doesn't matter.
i've never once discriminated against homosexuality. where the hell are you getting that from? i don't agree with it but that doesn't mean i discriminate. i'll make jokes just as i have to listen to polish jokes; but if we can't laugh at ourselves; who can we laugh at?
got to go. let's pick this up tomorrow.
Interesting, I've never heard a polish joke before and probably wouldn't find it funny anyway. I know a polish guy that says there are a lot of polish jokes, but I'm thinking it's the pols that make up these jokes.
Kind of like newfies, the mass of newfie jokes came out of newfoundland. They did it to themselves in a way. But I can't post a joke about black people on her, firstly it's not even that funny. It's only funny from the perspective that people are stereotypical.
But none-the-less you do argue that homosexuality is immoral, which is discrimination in my opinion. But then again, religion claims a monopoly on morality, so that makes me immoral aswell.
of grandeur, hallicinatory exaggeration of one's own personality or status.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
So this is more interesting. You have an approach to life which is quite similar to mine, in that you fit into teh natural world around you and find enrichment and fulfillment in that. I have had similar experiences, and they are some of my most teasured memories.
You are right, when I say that I don't like anything about teh way religion, modern or otherwise makes God out to be some stern bloke in a roeb who will fry you in hell for breaking their rules etc etc etc.
What i don't get is how you get from your oneness with nature, which I do easily underssand and appreciate, to a concept of a monotheistic god.
I am contenet that teh world can exist,and that dolphins jumping out of a wave in front of me can put a grin you could lose a truck in on my face.
No god needed to explain or justify that for me.
BTW, did you see the pic of my colt sitting on a bean bag ???
Peace
You might be Polish.
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Main Entry: de·lu·sion
Pronunciation: di-'lü-zh&n, dE-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
- de·lu·sion·al /-'lüzh-n&l, -'lü-zh&-n&l/ adjective
- de·lu·sion·ary /-zh&-"ner-E/ adjective
synonyms DELUSION, ILLUSION, HALLUCINATION, MIRAGE mean something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal. DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind <delusions of persecution>. ILLUSION implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines <an illusion of safety>. HALLUCINATION implies impressions that are the product of disordered senses, as because of mental illness or drugs <suffered from terrifying hallucinations>. MIRAGE in its extended sense applies to an illusory vision, dream, hope, or aim <claimed a balanced budget is a mirage>.
spot on
so? so they don't budge? you dont have to convince all the zealots. only enough to get a majority vote
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It would be much better I think, if we could accept other peoples differences, but at the very least, I think we could all learn to at least be more tolerant of diversity of opinion.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
haha nice one!
I'm not operationally gay, but the thought of fucking a man has crossed my mind, it was quickly trashed though. And hey, I'm not afraid to say that. But, I'm also not homophobic.
The definition of delusional is wrong, or at least incomplete.
the definition of its use in the idiom 'delusions of grandeur' is spot on.