Is homosexuality a disease?

onelongsong

RainDog wrote:

And, if someone breaks into your home and steals things, we should lock you up?

Black kids got picked on every time they visited my all white town. Should they have painted themselves? Perhaps a law banning them past the town line - for their own protection?

in CA during the 70's bussing; the black kids beat up the white kids so i guess it depends where you lived.
if someone broke into my home they wouldn't live to tell about it.
who said anything about banning anything or anyone? i stated twice that i don't care. i'm just answering a question that i knew the answer for from experience.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

the divorce rate is 62% so divorced parents are the norn; or at least majority.
next; have you seen kids today? orange and blue hair. studs and all kinds of metal coming out of their bodies; pants falling off; tatoos of every imaginable subject. high schools are like the old freak shows.
i did hear someone ask another "what kind of reception do you get with those ears" so you may have a small point.

what is the point of all this? it just shows teens will be teens and will always find ways to criticize the different or seek out the similar. if kids are becoming more and more individual, wouldnt that mean gay parents matter less and less? times are changing. most people dont give a fuck about who your parents are anymore. we dont know if they're single, divorced, married, gay, child molestors, politicians, or what. and mostly it's not an issue.

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

kids also get laughed at for having divorced parents. or bad clothes. or a stupid haircut. or big ears. do we outlaw all of those? in the grand sceme of things, this is a weak argument. kids will always find reasons to insult each other.

you still dont get it. first of all, I certainly am not asking for anything to be outlawed.

second of all

40-50% of kids will have divorced parents. so I dont think this is a big issue with kids making fun of other kids.

bad clothes? can be changed

stupid haircut? it will grow back

big ears? yup, poor kid will be made fun of.


but having a bunch of the kid's peers see his dad and dad hugging at a tee ball game?

chances are, the kid, is the only one who has gay parents. chances are he will be made fun of. probably brutally. homophobia is huge in this country and many straight middle age dads will direct or indirectly teach their kids that gays arent "normal".

callen

Being homosexual or bisexual is indeed natural and normal. The disease is weakaphobia....it infects week humans that are insecure with their own sexuality. Cure? Time, another generation or two. This will happen...regardless of number of babies born to infected parents.

Abookamongstthemany

onelongsong wrote:

oppression; being teased by other kids; being outcast; getting beat up; being banned from pys ed showers b/c of complaints. things like that.
i'm not saying i agree; but those things happen.

And those things happen for all kinds of reasons except the showers thing. I haven't even heard of that one before which leads me to believe that is a rare occurance.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Why couldn't they explain that? And why should they have to? The answer is easy enough....because they love one another. Why should other children have a problem with that unless their parents have raised them to look down upon homosexuals? Maybe those children and their parents are the ones who should do the explaining.

not that easy to explain that to a bunch of immature pre teen children

RainDog

onelongsong wrote:

in CA during the 70's bussing; the black kids beat up the white kids so i guess it depends where you lived.
if someone broke into my home they wouldn't live to tell about it.
who said anything about banning anything or anyone? i stated twice that i don't care. i'm just answering a question that i knew the answer for from experience.

I thought we were discussing homosexual couples raising children; and that one of the reasons you don't think they should is because the kids would get picked on. Maybe you didn't say it should be banned - I can be a bit hyperbolic from time to time - but you certainly implied that they shouldn't.

Ahnimus

I think by teenage years children begin to question their parents motives. Where as before they just saw their parents as perfect models.

When a child asks what the causality is of their parents actions or opinions. They really need an answer. All too often parents will respond negatively, in a "leave me alone" manner. Teenagers then search elsewhere for the answers. As this happens more and more, they become disconnected and yet, the parents still want "control" over their teenage children.

So from the perspective of a teenager, your parents want to invoke their value judgements on you, yet can not explain to you why they have them.

Jeanie

NCfan wrote:

That being said, it would be nice if you addressed my point about it being unnatural for two women to raise a child.

Hands up if you were raised by two women? I think my Mum and my Nana did an excellent job and I'm sure I'm not the only one who was in this situation. Who cares who raises you, (two Dads, two Mum's, a Mum & a Dad, your Aunty, your brother, your foster parents, the whole bloody village!), as long as they do a good job. Two people of any sex wanting to be parents and going through all the trials and tribulations of becoming and being parents has got to be a better for a kid than boy screws girl, she get's pregnant, he can't cope, she can't abort, he pisses off, she struggles on alone, he comes back, she lets him, he's a drunken abuser or is just plain disinterested! WHATEVER!!! You need a licence to drive a car but any f***er can be a parent!!! :mad: Just because you have a mum and a dad who are married and fulfil all the "normal" "natural" "biblical" "traditional" requirements of "what nature intended" :mad: doesn't mean you are going to be any better off as a child. If gays, lesbians, infertile, heterosexual couples, single women, single men, want to be parents and they are well educated in their choice then they get my support. Hell, I'd support a monkey over some of the morons I've seen in straight married relationships!!!

callen

jlew24asu wrote:

chances are, the kid, is the only one who has gay parents. chances are he will be made fun of. probably brutally. homophobia is huge in this country and many straight middle age dads will direct or indirectly teach their kids that gays arent "normal".

but it is changing...exponentially so. Look at how progressive (Liberal) we are now compared to just a generation ago...we now have openly gay actors, politicians, police officers.....soldiers. Children now will see more and more how this isn't a problem and we'll move forward as a society. Oh and other western coutries...are even further along.

RainDog

jlew24asu wrote:

you still dont get it. first of all, I certainly am not asking for anything to be outlawed.

second of all

40-50% of kids will have divorced parents. so I dont think this is a big issue with kids making fun of other kids.

bad clothes? can be changed

stupid haircut? it will grow back

big ears? yup, poor kid will be made fun of.


but having a bunch of the kid's peers see his dad and dad hugging at a tee ball game?

chances are, the kid, is the only one who has gay parents. chances are he will be made fun of. probably brutally. homophobia is huge in this country and many straight middle age dads will direct or indirectly teach their kids that gays arent "normal".

See, I don't see the difference in any of this bullying.

"But having a bunch of the kid's peers see his dad and dad hugging at a tee ball game?" Chances are, the kid will grow up and leave all those ignorant jackasses behind - just like I did when I was bullied in high school (brutally, and not for having gay parents).

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

what is the point of all this? it just shows teens will be teens and will always find ways to criticize the different or seek out the similar. if kids are becoming more and more individual, wouldnt that mean gay parents matter less and less? times are changing. most people dont give a fuck about who your parents are anymore. we dont know if they're single, divorced, married, gay, child molestors, politicians, or what. and mostly it's not an issue.

the point is that today; the wierder or more outlandish you are; the more you fit in. blacks still don't have total equality because of generations of oppression. it will take a couple more generations of teaching equality to the populous before the stigma is removed.
did i mention i don't care?

Ahnimus

All this discussion of causality is really irrelevant concering the former discussion on "Free-Will".

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

but having a bunch of the kid's peers see his dad and dad hugging at a tee ball game?

chances are, the kid, is the only one who has gay parents. chances are he will be made fun of. probably brutally. homophobia is huge in this country and many straight middle age dads will direct or indirectly teach their kids that gays arent "normal".

so instead of trying to change people's minds by exposing them to it, forcing them to confront it, and showing them just how normal it can be, we should just accept their prejudices and let them continue to hold them? by that logic, we should never have bother overturning that separate but equal stuff. i mean, racism was huge in this country and many white middle age dads taught their kids that blacks arent as good. no need to have to rock their boat by being the nigger-loving family in the neighborhood.

Ahnimus

If there is one thing I'm certain of: You will never convince Mr. Bergis being homosexual or black is ok.

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

so instead of trying to change people's minds by exposing them to it, forcing them to confront it, and showing them just how normal it can be, we should just accept their prejudices and let them continue to hold them? by that logic, we should never have bother overturning that separate but equal stuff. i mean, racism was huge in this country and many white middle age dads taught their kids that blacks arent as good. no need to have to rock their boat by being the nigger-loving family in the neighborhood.

dont shoot the messenger. I'm simply stated what I see as a problem. I'm all for gay's raising kids.

VictoryGin

Jeanie wrote:

Hands up if you were raised by two women? I think my Mum and my Nana did an excellent job and I'm sure I'm not the only one who was in this situation. Who cares who raises you, (two Dads, two Mum's, a Mum & a Dad, your Aunty, your brother, your foster parents, the whole bloody village!), as long as they do a good job. Two people of any sex wanting to be parents and going through all the trials and tribulations of becoming and being parents has got to be a better for a kid than boy screws girl, she get's pregnant, he can't cope, she can't abort, he pisses off, she struggles on alone, he comes back, she lets him, he's a drunken abuser or is just plain disinterested! WHATEVER!!! You need a licence to drive a car but any f***er can be a parent!!! :mad: Just because you have a mum and a dad who are married and fulfil all the "normal" "natural" "biblical" "traditional" requirements of "what nature intended" :mad: doesn't mean you are going to be any better off as a child. If gays, lesbians, infertile, heterosexual couples, single women, single men, want to be parents and they are well educated in their choice then they get my support. Hell, I'd support a monkey over some of the morons I've seen in straight married relationships!!!

*standing ovation*

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

so instead of trying to change people's minds by exposing them to it, forcing them to confront it, and showing them just how normal it can be, we should just accept their prejudices and let them continue to hold them? by that logic, we should never have bother overturning that separate but equal stuff. i mean, racism was huge in this country and many white middle age dads taught their kids that blacks arent as good. no need to have to rock their boat by being the nigger-loving family in the neighborhood.

personally; i wouldn't want my kids to be the ones beat up until this transition is complete.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

dont shoot the messenger. I'm simply stated what I see as a problem. I'm all for gay's raising kids.

sure it might make a few waves in various places, but i doubt it would be a huge cultural upheaval. those guys making fun of the kid would change their tune when the kid is getting all the girls becos he's better dressed than all of them put together due to his parents' sense of style. plus, girls love gay men and flock to them, so they'd be all over hanging out with the kid and his parents. he would be a stone pimp and then those guys would be begging him to toss a few girls their way.

Ahnimus

My recommendation is for everyone to pick up a book on Dev. Psych, instead of speaking from personal experience.