Is homosexuality a disease?

onelongsong

angelica wrote:

Wait, and I thought you all were waiting to hear about the dog thing!!!!! Well, that's where I am at, at least!!!

ellen degenerates partner said she's going back to men; and did. and frank zappa didn't make up the dog thing on his own. several books mention it throughout history.
bisexuals; hummmm; how does that fit in? is that like the missing link or are they born halfway between hetro and gay?
like i said; i don't care.
animals are triggered by scent. and as time has proven with humans; a horny person will screw anything.

RainDog

onelongsong wrote:

ellen degenerates partner said she's going back to men; and did. and frank zappa didn't make up the dog thing on his own. several books mention it throughout history.
bisexuals; hummmm; how does that fit in? is that like the missing link or are they born halfway between hetro and gay?
like i said; i don't care.
animals are triggered by scent. and as time has proven with humans; a horny person will screw anything.

If you're talking about Anne Heche, going gay for a career move doesn't count either. Or have you never heard the term "gay for pay" (though, that's usually reserved for porn - of course, I've seen her Wild Side and parts of it are close)?

Bisexuality is something different, I believe; and can pretty much come from anywhere. For some, I'm sure it's a fetish (or perversion, if you prefer) for a person who's otherwise gay or straight, for others it really is just an either or type thing. For some, maybe it's conditional. Who knows?

onelongsong

RainDog wrote:

Who knows?

thank you. that's what i was looking for. no one has the answers.

VictoryGin

onelongsong wrote:

bisexuals; hummmm; how does that fit in? is that like the missing link or are they born halfway between hetro and gay?

i'm not sure it's halfway so much as a spot on a spectrum that could be fluid.

RainDog

onelongsong wrote:

thank you. that's what i was looking for. no one has the answers.

But the families themselves - they have the answers. And they're all different.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

animals are triggered by scent

Olfactory senses to be specific.

Abookamongstthemany

angelica wrote:

What I know is that I have a 24 year old and a 17 year old. They respect that they were raised in a family that did not sweep things under the rug with denial, contradiction and falsehood. Therefore, athough we had a ton of problems, including social ostracization/stigma for poverty and mental health issues, we've had a mentality of getting through it, and with openness and honesty and growth. Therefore my children did not need to rebel against such natural life-enhancing values. Other minorities sometimes learn similar lessons when faced with the ignorance of "traditional" values and the ugly judgments/stigma that stem from such "tradition". If you ask my kids if they would prefer to have been raised in a "normal" non-mental-illness-infested family, they would both say "no". My 24 year old daughter has, many times.

Exactly. All you need is love, no matter how played out that line is. What makes a homosexual environment a bad one to raise children in? I'm just not getting it.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Olfactory senses to be specific.

yes; and when i milked cows; we knew when a cow was in heat when another cow jumped on it. not homosexuality; reaction to scent. that's how we knew to call the vet for artificial insemination.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Exactly. All you need is love, no matter how played out that line is. What makes a homosexual environment a bad one to raise children in? I'm just not getting it.

for the most part nothing. it just puts the child in a situation where that cant explain why daddy and daddy are holding hands.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

yes; and when i milked cows; we knew when a cow was in heat when another cow jumped on it. not homosexuality; reaction to scent. that's how we knew to call the vet for artificial insemination.

I think it's absolutely fascinating how the Vomeronasal Organ decodes the pheramones. Maybe that's a sick fascination to have.

It was disputed for a long time if humans have VNO Organs or other Olfactory senses, but, it's no longer disputed that humans have Olfactory senses. If it's in the form of VNO, who knows?

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

because kids are mean. the kid might get laughed at for having "weird" parents. or 2 mommies.

kids also get laughed at for having divorced parents. or bad clothes. or a stupid haircut. or big ears. do we outlaw all of those? in the grand sceme of things, this is a weak argument. kids will always find reasons to insult each other.

onelongsong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Exactly. All you need is love, no matter how played out that line is. What makes a homosexual environment a bad one to raise children in? I'm just not getting it.

oppression; being teased by other kids; being outcast; getting beat up; being banned from pys ed showers b/c of complaints. things like that.
i'm not saying i agree; but those things happen.

norm

onelongsong wrote:

oppression; being teased by other kids; being outcast; getting beat up; being banned from pys ed showers b/c of complaints. things like that.
i'm not saying i agree; but those things happen.

Those things happen anyway. It shouldn't be a reason to prohibit homosexuals from raising children.

soulsinging

chromiam wrote:

So what's your point??? Children of straight parents and homosexual parents may not agree with their parents values..... I don't see any difference so why deny a group from raising kids???

precisely. though id amend it and say kids dont really question their parents' values, nor are they even aware of them for the most part. teenagers will disagree with every value their parents hold just to rebel. hell, for a while there i half hoped id become gay just to fuck with my parents for taking the views NCfan is expressing here. i thought they were old-fashoined and intolerant.

RainDog

onelongsong wrote:

oppression; being teased by other kids; being outcast; getting beat up; being banned from pys ed showers b/c of complaints. things like that.
i'm not saying i agree; but those things happen.

And, if someone breaks into your home and steals things, we should lock you up?

Black kids got picked on every time they visited my all white town. Should they have painted themselves? Perhaps a law banning them past the town line - for their own protection?

angelica

cutback wrote:

Those things happen anyway. It shouldn't be a reason to prohibit homosexuals from raising children.

I agree. The ugliness of humanity is what it is. I don't let it run my life--and I teach my children that the ugliness of others is about the ugly "others". We don't own that. It's amazing what kids can let roll off them when they know this. I'd rather teach them that, and teach them about tolerance and compassion. And I did. Both of my kids well know that when someone is coming at them harshly, it is not about them.

1970RR

onelongsong wrote:

oppression; being teased by other kids; being outcast; getting beat up; being banned from pys ed showers b/c of complaints. things like that.
i'm not saying i agree; but those things happen.

Where have you heard of these things happening? And does it happen on a scale that would make raising kids in this environment wrong?
Or are we actually talking about isolated incidents that are blown out of proportion in order to be used against gays who want to raise kids & be parents like everyone else.

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

kids also get laughed at for having divorced parents. or bad clothes. or a stupid haircut. or big ears. do we outlaw all of those? in the grand sceme of things, this is a weak argument. kids will always find reasons to insult each other.

the divorce rate is 62% so divorced parents are the norn; or at least majority.
next; have you seen kids today? orange and blue hair. studs and all kinds of metal coming out of their bodies; pants falling off; tatoos of every imaginable subject. high schools are like the old freak shows.
i did hear someone ask another "what kind of reception do you get with those ears" so you may have a small point.

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

precisely. though id amend it and say kids dont really question their parents' values, nor are they even aware of them for the most part. teenagers will disagree with every value their parents hold just to rebel. hell, for a while there i half hoped id become gay just to fuck with my parents for taking the views NCfan is expressing here. i thought they were old-fashoined and intolerant.

I think the main reason kids rebel is their parents lack of explanation.

Teenagers will look for causality and understanding. When the parents say things like "Because I said so!" doesn't provide much understanding.

That's what teenagers rebel against IMO.

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

for the most part nothing. it just puts the child in a situation where that cant explain why daddy and daddy are holding hands.

Why couldn't they explain that? And why should they have to? The answer is easy enough....because they love one another. Why should other children have a problem with that unless their parents have raised them to look down upon homosexuals? Maybe those children and their parents are the ones who should do the explaining.