Look, I used to think Homosexuality was all personal choice and immoral, You can easily find threads where I made similar statements. Since I've educated myself, I no longer see the linearity that you do.
wow. where have I ever said homosexuality was all personal choice, immoral, or anything to the effect of showing prejudice?
I came to conclusions that show quite the opposite without the use of a textbook.
i guess most of us don't catalog the things we see and read so that when challenged; we can go back and explain why we have the opinions we have.
i saw a story on the news where parents complained about a gay student showering with thier kids. another story was about the students complaining about having to shower with a gay girl stating that she is viewing them sexually and compared it to showering with a boy. i can't say when or where it was broadcast because i didn't know this thread would come up some time in the future.
That's little more than sensationalized news broadcasting.
See the major difference between personal experience and scientific research; Is that you have maybe known 10 gay people - if that, in your life. Maybe you saw it on the news a few times. But scientific research uses similar methods of observation, of course making sure to use control mechanisms like monozygous twins, and a sample-size of around 100,000 gay people.
Regardless of what you've observed in your life, within those 10 people you met, when you look at 100,000 people you see a different story. You weed out those percepts of only sampling a few people in the same culture or social environment.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
wow. where have I ever said homosexuality was all personal choice, immoral, or anything to the effect of showing prejudice?
I came to conclusions that show quite the opposite without the use of a textbook.
I didn't say you thought that, I thought that before. I'm saying that things aren't linear.
Two gay parents will not give rise to a gay child 100% of the time. In-fact the data polled from thousands of cases shows it to be very insignificant.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I came to that conclusion without the use of a book.
Ok, so you in an inefficient, highly-fallable way came to some percept. You also assume that it will affect a child's life in drastic ways, based on nothing but subjective transduction and no physical data or formal understanding of child psychology.
That's my point, you can go back and forth with this shit all day.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's little more than sensationalized news broadcasting.
See the major difference between personal experience and scientific research; Is that you have maybe known 10 gay people - if that, in your life. Maybe you saw it on the news a few times. But scientific research uses similar methods of observation, of course making sure to use control mechanisms like monozygous twins, and a sample-size of around 100,000 gay people.
Regardless of what you've observed in your life, within those 10 people you met, when you look at 100,000 people you see a different story. You weed out those percepts of only sampling a few people in the same culture or social environment.
and you think all these people read this research before forming an opinion? i had a neighbour who was arian nation. do you think he read the research first? can someone have an opinion based on just their feelings?
Ok, so you in an inefficient, highly-fallable way came to some percept. You also assume that it will affect a child's life in drastic ways, based on nothing but subjective transduction and no physical data or formal understanding of child psychology.
That's my point, you can go back and forth with this shit all day.
call me crazy but children being bullied, for whatever reason, has some effect on the child. I never said drastic
and I have no formal training on child psychology. damn I'm good
and you think all these people read this research before forming an opinion? i had a neighbour who was arian nation. do you think he read the research first? can someone have an opinion based on just their feelings?
Certainly you can, but you aren't allowing for dissonance. This is just back and forth, repatative horse shit that get's nothing accomplished but a waste of webspace.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Certainly you can, but you aren't allowing for dissonance. This is just back and forth, repatative horse shit that get's nothing accomplished but a waste of webspace.
we were having a great discussion until you came along
call me crazy but children being bullied, for whatever reason, has some effect on the child. I never said drastic
and I have no formal training on child psychology. damn I'm good
Bullying has different effects on different people. Bullying is an issue, but it's usually the result of problems at home for the BULLY, not the one being Bullied.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
See, the BULLY picks on kids for no reasons outside of his own life.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Certainly you can, but you aren't allowing for dissonance. This is just back and forth, repatative horse shit that get's nothing accomplished but a waste of webspace.
maybe i just wanted some attention today. i still think that 90% of the population shouldn't raise kids.
Tell your kid that there will always be bullies, because of the insecurities in their lives. Nothing to do with the kid being picked on.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.
maybe i just wanted some attention today. i still think that 90% of the population shouldn't raise kids.
A few months ago I would have agreed with you. Although I've realized that parents are typically very adept at raising children. Up until the teenage years anyway.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
hmmm can you show me some hard statistics to back this up? :rolleyes:
great dodge. person bullied will still be effected. either in a small way, large way, or none at all.
Yea, and that depends on how their parents have raised them. It's highly dynamical.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
hmmm can you show me some hard statistics to back this up? :rolleyes:
great dodge. person bullied will still be effected. either in a small way, large way, or none at all.
Ok, is anyone here saying that the potential teasing is grounds to deny homosexual couples the right to raise or adopt children? Because with that logic we all should be denied.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ok, is anyone here saying that the potential teasing is grounds to deny homosexual couples the right to raise or adopt children?
um no. but its an undesired potential side effect that child will have to deal with. lets face it, gay couples raising children is not the norm. there is a better chance of that kid being the only one as opposed to some kids having divorced parents.
um no. but its an undesired potential side effect that child will have to deal with. lets face it, gay couples raising children is not the norm. there is a better chance of that kid being the only one as opposed to some kids having divorced parents.
I see, you're a big fan of conformity and adjusting for it's sake.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I chimed in about page 8. then pages 10-15 I was rapping with ahmius
That would make an interesting rap song. Typically in rap music with more than one rap they are in agreeance.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
A few months ago I would have agreed with you. Although I've realized that parents are typically very adept at raising children. Up until the teenage years anyway.
a few months ago i would have disagreed. then i started working with abused children. i jumped on a foster parent for calling my now favorite a f'n retard. she is slightly retarded b/c her mother is a crack smoker. she was raped at 10 by her mothers boyfriend. the 15 yr old i'm working with was shot by her father along with her mother and brother. she was the only survivor. she crawled to the neighbours for help. it made the news; maybe you heard about it.
anyway; people have kids and leave their care to those of us with enough love in our hearts to care.
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wow. where have I ever said homosexuality was all personal choice, immoral, or anything to the effect of showing prejudice?
I came to conclusions that show quite the opposite without the use of a textbook.
That's little more than sensationalized news broadcasting.
See the major difference between personal experience and scientific research; Is that you have maybe known 10 gay people - if that, in your life. Maybe you saw it on the news a few times. But scientific research uses similar methods of observation, of course making sure to use control mechanisms like monozygous twins, and a sample-size of around 100,000 gay people.
Regardless of what you've observed in your life, within those 10 people you met, when you look at 100,000 people you see a different story. You weed out those percepts of only sampling a few people in the same culture or social environment.
I didn't say you thought that, I thought that before. I'm saying that things aren't linear.
Two gay parents will not give rise to a gay child 100% of the time. In-fact the data polled from thousands of cases shows it to be very insignificant.
I came to that conclusion without the use of a book.
Ok, so you in an inefficient, highly-fallable way came to some percept. You also assume that it will affect a child's life in drastic ways, based on nothing but subjective transduction and no physical data or formal understanding of child psychology.
That's my point, you can go back and forth with this shit all day.
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and you think all these people read this research before forming an opinion? i had a neighbour who was arian nation. do you think he read the research first? can someone have an opinion based on just their feelings?
call me crazy but children being bullied, for whatever reason, has some effect on the child. I never said drastic
and I have no formal training on child psychology. damn I'm good
Certainly you can, but you aren't allowing for dissonance. This is just back and forth, repatative horse shit that get's nothing accomplished but a waste of webspace.
you are so right about the bulliing. one comment can scar a kid for life.
I think this is appropriate viewing for this thread.
we were having a great discussion until you came along
Bullying has different effects on different people. Bullying is an issue, but it's usually the result of problems at home for the BULLY, not the one being Bullied.
maybe i just wanted some attention today. i still think that 90% of the population shouldn't raise kids.
A few months ago I would have agreed with you. Although I've realized that parents are typically very adept at raising children. Up until the teenage years anyway.
hmmm can you show me some hard statistics to back this up? :rolleyes:
great dodge. person bullied will still be effected. either in a small way, large way, or none at all.
Yea, and that depends on how their parents have raised them. It's highly dynamical.
Ok, is anyone here saying that the potential teasing is grounds to deny homosexual couples the right to raise or adopt children? Because with that logic we all should be denied.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
um no. but its an undesired potential side effect that child will have to deal with. lets face it, gay couples raising children is not the norm. there is a better chance of that kid being the only one as opposed to some kids having divorced parents.
Ummm, then what exactly is your point of arguing about this for 10+ pages? Would a thread about poor kids being teased go on for so long?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I see, you're a big fan of conformity and adjusting for it's sake.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I chimed in about page 8. then pages 10-15 I was rapping with ahmius
Ah.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I never said that should stop gay's from raising children. simply stating the potential cons.
That would make an interesting rap song. Typically in rap music with more than one rap they are in agreeance.
a few months ago i would have disagreed. then i started working with abused children. i jumped on a foster parent for calling my now favorite a f'n retard. she is slightly retarded b/c her mother is a crack smoker. she was raped at 10 by her mothers boyfriend. the 15 yr old i'm working with was shot by her father along with her mother and brother. she was the only survivor. she crawled to the neighbours for help. it made the news; maybe you heard about it.
anyway; people have kids and leave their care to those of us with enough love in our hearts to care.
we should start our own record label