there is nothing out there that says a gay couple cannot raise a child as good or better than a hetero couple ... so, if people (kids or adults) have a problem with it - then that is their problem ... it harkens back to previous barriers society has moved past ... we used to put black people in the back of a bus; not allow women to vote; etc ...
kids make fun of other kids all the time and none of them are for any good reasons ... so, if a kid is making fun of a kid from gay parents - u can blame the hetero parents that raised that kid ...
Thanks for driving my point home. The kid of two lesbians may not agree with the value system of their parents. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say there is a greater chance than not that they will disagree.
Did you completely miss my point in your effort to drive your own point home??? While immersed in your own value system, are you able to step outside of that and imagine the values of a person who was raised in a different way? At any rate, your opinion and reality are two different things. If one is going to have a same-sex relationship and raise children, one will be starting off with a non-traditional value system. To expect the children to be outside that doesn't make much sense to me. My cousins were raised in a woman-woman relationship and they are open-minded themselves, and have supported their mother's relationship through the years. They are 39 and up in age, now, too, and so have had awhile to come out with problems if they were there.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yeah, but the person would have to carry their lesbian parents baggage all through their life. This just doesn't affect them when their young.
It'd be little different if their mom was a whore and their dad a theif.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Personally if you ask me. Homosexuality isn't solely physiological, sure a person's genetics may predispose them to it, but there are environmental influences involved.
If you take a whole bunch of one species and throw them into a confined space, homosexuality occurs. If you put 4 or 5 into the same space, it's not likely to happen. It comes in numbers of high-population.
look at any american prison, previously 'straight' men engage in homosexual activites
its not the same. your are comparing clothes, which will come on go, parents dont
but are you saying that this family situation would be a negative because a kid would get made fun of?
i'm saying that kids get made fun of many reasons, and so what? that's what happens to kids. so one kid gets made fun of because he lives in a trailer, in a project (class change doesn't come so easily), one kid gets made fun of because he has a funny name, one kid gets made fun of because he doesn't have the newest gaming system.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
7 year olds dont have adult conversations about sexuality
its alot different when my daddy is a good business man or construction worker compared to why is you dad kissing that guy?....
If you are basing those statements on personal observation, then you have been subjected to one culture and a limited sample-size.
A 7+ year old does have questions. They ask about causality all the time. Parents often ignore this ability of their children, assuming their children don't know the difference between A and B.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
how do you define disease? i wish i had a dollar for every time i heard "i'm going back to men". this tells me you're not born with it. especially when i hear "i'm switching to women" by women. and women letting their dogs lick them goes far back in history.
my opinion is do what you want; just don't involve me.
You certainly do run with a strange crowd.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
This thread went from 1 page to 7 pages in about 20 minutes.
I'm going for a bit, I'll be back around page 15. :cool:
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i was hoping for more info on that i have never heard a lesbian say she'd go back to men. let's get real, who do you really think would be better orally?
sorry, it has been a long week.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
i'm saying that kids get made fun of many reasons, and so what? that's what happens to kids. so one kid gets made fun of because he lives in a trailer, in a project (class change doesn't come so easily), one kid gets made fun of because he has a funny name, one kid gets made fun of because he doesn't have the newest gaming system.
these are all things that can relate to any kid. where you live, your name, what you wear, these are arent as serious as seeing dad and dad hugging at a 8 year olds tee ball game
Of course I don't have a link. But how many people in the world if asked would say that they wouldn't mind if their parents were lesbians????? What do you think????? Would you not care if you were raised by two lesbians????
When I was growing up, I'd have to say that no, I would not wanted to have been raised by lesbians. Of course, I'm as old as the hills and things have changed a lot since then. Today, I wouldn't mind at all. I know one (straight) boy who is being raised by gay men, and he's very happy with his life.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Did you completely miss my point in your effort to drive your own point home??? While immersed in your own value system, are you able to step outside of that and imagine the values of a person who was raised in a different way? At any rate, your opinion and reality are two different things. If one is going to have a same-sex relationship and raise children, one will be starting off with a non-traditional value system. To expect the children to be outside that doesn't make much sense to me. My cousins were raised in a woman-woman relationship and they are open-minded themselves, and have supported their mother's relationship through the years. They are 39 and up in age, now, too, and so have had awhile to come out with problems if they were there.
Nearly the entire baby boomer generation rejected the value system of their parents. To expect a child to adhere to their parents value system regardless of how traditional it is or not doesn't make much sense to me - especially in this age.
Thanks for driving my point home. The kid of two lesbians may not agree with the value system of their parents. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say there is a greater chance than not that they will disagree.
Hahahaha .... has there ever been a child anywhere who always agreed with the value systems of their parents?!!?!
Do you actually KNOW any kids? Were you ever a kid yourself?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
i was hoping for more info on that i have never heard a lesbian say she'd go back to men. let's get real, who do you really think would be better orally?
sorry, it has been a long week.
Heh. You said long.
And I suppose the level to which the man has a lesbian fetish may effect the quality of his oral sex techniques.
And, for all those out there, there's also such a thing as bisexuality. If a "lesbian" says she's going back to men, she's not a lesbian.
i was hoping for more info on that i have never heard a lesbian say she'd go back to men. let's get real, who do you really think would be better orally?
sorry, it has been a long week.
Wait, and I thought you all were waiting to hear about the dog thing!!!!! Well, that's where I am at, at least!!!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i was hoping for more info on that i have never heard a lesbian say she'd go back to men. let's get real, who do you really think would be better orally?
I read through a few pages and I am pretty irritated by what has been said. Is it really necessary to label human beings, and care about who they have sex with or not? We live in a technologically evolving world, that is not going to change and go backwards to freaking pilgrim times.
Speaking as an adopted child, I will tell you that I am so thankful that I was chosen to be placed into my family. Otherwise I would have been raised by an alcoholic woman.
As a Registered Massage Therapist who works on pregnant women and infertile couples(reproductively challenged), I am appalled by what has been said. A wanted child is a blessing, not a curse. There are so many unwanted children in the world, who are adopted. If anything there should be mandatory birth control and parenting classes. If a couple, whether Gay or not wants a child to share their lives with, they have as much right to that opportunity as a "regular" couple. Love is love, care and patience, compassion. What does that have to do with who you have sex with?
Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's Soul remains Unawakened.
Anatole France
Nearly the entire baby boomer generation rejected the value system of their parents. To expect a child to adhere to their parents value system regardless of how traditional it is or not doesn't make much sense to me - especially in this age.
What I know is that I have a 24 year old and a 17 year old. They respect that they were raised in a family that did not sweep things under the rug with denial, contradiction and falsehood. Therefore, athough we had a ton of problems, including social ostracization/stigma for poverty and mental health issues, we've had a mentality of getting through it, and with openness and honesty and growth. Therefore my children did not need to rebel against such natural life-enhancing values. Other minorities sometimes learn similar lessons when faced with the ignorance of "traditional" values and the ugly judgments/stigma that stem from such "tradition". If you ask my kids if they would prefer to have been raised in a "normal" non-mental-illness-infested family, they would both say "no". My 24 year old daughter has, many times.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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kids make fun of other kids all the time and none of them are for any good reasons ... so, if a kid is making fun of a kid from gay parents - u can blame the hetero parents that raised that kid ...
its not the same. your are comparing clothes, which will come on go, parents dont
Yeah, but the person would have to carry their lesbian parents baggage all through their life. This just doesn't affect them when their young.
Say they meet a girl, and she doesn't want to have two lesbian mother-in-laws. Let's say she wants to have a grandmother and grandfather for her kids.
People almost invariably have different values than their parents.
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It'd be little different if their mom was a whore and their dad a theif.
7 year olds dont have adult conversations about sexuality
its alot different when my daddy is a good business man or construction worker compared to why is you dad kissing that guy?....
but are you saying that this family situation would be a negative because a kid would get made fun of?
i'm saying that kids get made fun of many reasons, and so what? that's what happens to kids. so one kid gets made fun of because he lives in a trailer, in a project (class change doesn't come so easily), one kid gets made fun of because he has a funny name, one kid gets made fun of because he doesn't have the newest gaming system.
cross the river to the eastside
If you are basing those statements on personal observation, then you have been subjected to one culture and a limited sample-size.
A 7+ year old does have questions. They ask about causality all the time. Parents often ignore this ability of their children, assuming their children don't know the difference between A and B.
I'm going for a bit, I'll be back around page 15. :cool:
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i was hoping for more info on that
sorry, it has been a long week.
cross the river to the eastside
it would create negative situations for the kid, yes
these are all things that can relate to any kid. where you live, your name, what you wear, these are arent as serious as seeing dad and dad hugging at a 8 year olds tee ball game
What baggae did you pick-up throughout your life that makes you assume what you do?
Do you question your sexuality?, and as a result, are you trying to figure out whether or not you should have kids with a potential partner?
(These are serious questions).
Nearly the entire baby boomer generation rejected the value system of their parents. To expect a child to adhere to their parents value system regardless of how traditional it is or not doesn't make much sense to me - especially in this age.
Do you actually KNOW any kids? Were you ever a kid yourself?
And I suppose the level to which the man has a lesbian fetish may effect the quality of his oral sex techniques.
And, for all those out there, there's also such a thing as bisexuality. If a "lesbian" says she's going back to men, she's not a lesbian.
No and no. These are serious answers.
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never mind ...
Oh indeed, especially regarding the last part.
cross the river to the eastside
well angelica, we all know that being gay leads to beastiality, so that didn't come as a surprise.
/sarcasm
cross the river to the eastside
oh bring it
cross the river to the eastside
Speaking as an adopted child, I will tell you that I am so thankful that I was chosen to be placed into my family. Otherwise I would have been raised by an alcoholic woman.
As a Registered Massage Therapist who works on pregnant women and infertile couples(reproductively challenged), I am appalled by what has been said. A wanted child is a blessing, not a curse. There are so many unwanted children in the world, who are adopted. If anything there should be mandatory birth control and parenting classes. If a couple, whether Gay or not wants a child to share their lives with, they have as much right to that opportunity as a "regular" couple. Love is love, care and patience, compassion. What does that have to do with who you have sex with?
Anatole France
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!