If some dude is whipping up bombs in his basement next door or laundering cash to support his upcoming terrorist attack then you can bet your ass I want his life interferred with.
I believe activities such as the above were always illegal? Patriot act didn't make them any MORE illegal, did it?
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If you don't want to be "affected" by the patriot act, then get your ass of the grid.
Simple.
Nice! :rolleyes:
Ultimatums, eh?
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if you dont know the answer then stop promoting suppositions
Yes, cos just cos the government don't release figures of how many they got wrong, we shouldn't question it?
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that may be the case... but that person will most likely never know... the FBI might be reading this very page... but our lives have not been changed in way or form.
Or on the other hand people, especially immigrants, might be held in detention indefinitely, or people might have their houses searched without their knowledge or permission.
I don't know about you but an act that allows authorities to come into my house and search my house without my knowledge or permission is a step too far.
I believe activities such as the above were always illegal? Patriot act didn't make them any MORE illegal, did it?
Do you understand what the Patriot Act even is?
If the dude next door is suspect of making bombs in his basement or laundering cash, then the gov't can wire tap him, check his computer, basically they have free access to anything involving anysort of communication. Including credit card bills, library cards, etc.
Without the Patriot Act this is illegal and not submissable in court.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Or on the other hands people, especially immigrants might be held in detention indefinitely, or people might have their houses searched without their knowledge or permission.
I don't know about you but an act that allows authorities to come into my house and search my house without my knowledge or permission is a step too far.
see dunk mightn't know much about that... but that kinda shit was happening in Northern Ireland until recently! I know plenty of people that happened to (having their houses searched). Internment was proven to be a pile of bollox by the situation in the north... but hey, if these people wanna learn their own lessons, let them... just not at my expense
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Do you understand what the Patriot Act even is?
If the dude next door is suspect of making bombs in his basement or laundering cash, then the gov't can wire tap him, check his computer, basically they have free access to anything involving anysort of communication. Including credit card bills, library cards, etc.
Without the Patriot Act this is illegal and not submissable in court.
Ah, yes but what exactly makes a person a "suspect." That's the part you should be looking into.
People stand up now. This isn't a new thing, it's how the world has operated for a very long time. The rich and powerful have always controlled the masses. The difficult thing for them now is that we've all been brought up in Western culture to believe we are individuals and that we all have the ability to succeed at anything. So the pyramid got fat in the middle and now they're trying to force all the masses back down into the bottom of the pyramid. This recession we're going into will force a lot of change. And far too late? Sorry spiral but far too late? What does that even mean? The only time it's too late is when you're dead and we all have to die some day. Society will go on after we are gone.
I have no doubt society will go on long after we are gone. Far too late to save ourselves right now is what i mean. Thing are going to get a lot worse before they get better and a lot of people will suffer in that time.
We are heading for a global recession and hopefully it will bring about change, i would like to see change in peoples attitudes, maybe a little less selfishness and little more caring for our fellow man, but hell that's going to take another few thousand years, I'm sure.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Do you understand what the Patriot Act even is?
If the dude next door is suspect of making bombs in his basement or laundering cash, then the gov't can wire tap him, check his computer, basically they have free access to anything involving anysort of communication. Including credit card bills, library cards, etc.
Without the Patriot Act this is illegal and not submissable in court.
FANTASTIC and how does he become a suspect? See my above post... your neighbour doesn't like you or thinks you're acting unpatriotically... you report him for being unpatriotic. This could be the result of a simple disagreement between neighbours.
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That may be so, but because of it your life can be interfered with or altered. The possibility is there and you can't do anything about it.
I think that if a law, an act, a treaty or whatever can affect someone, if it does infringe upon someone's rights, even if it's only one person, it is a threat to me too.
I pretty sure that many Arab-Americans are heavily affected but I'm not one nor is there a big concern in my little town/community. And that's all that matters to me is the little community that I live in.
I love the eye roll. No, really, I do.
Was I issuing an ultimatum? lol
It is a simple fact.
Yeh I know... isn't that what I've been saying? If I wanna live the life I've always lived I have to accept that bullshit. I don't know how you can use that as a positive
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I didn't vote for them. For many many reasons! And yes, I know you work for the government... what is it you do again? Make maps? Ah yes... I see how you would then be so much more informed about all of this! :rolleyes:
i make maps.
i also plot the movement of nuclear shipments.. contribute to my departments papers and reports that go to straight to Scottish Parliament... i've worked on e-planning forums that will directly affect the poorest people of Scotland and how they get a house in the future... blah blah de blah.
point is... i work for the government... nothing we do is covert or in anyway snoops into your life... MI5 might do that .. but i'm pretty sure MI5 have a staff of about 4000 people and i dont think they see me as much of a threat.. so they concentrate on snooping on idiots who believe 49 virgins await them.. or russian mafia bosses who live in london and pay no tax and have men killed...
as exciting as your life may be.. i dont think your secret service will be wasting much time on you
anyway.. shouldnt you be making coffee for your boss?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
We are heading for a global recession and hopefully it will bring about change, i would like to see change in peoples attitudes, maybe a little less selfishness and little more caring for our fellow man, but hell that's going to take another few thousand years, I'm sure.
I agree... hard times usually bring out the fight in people too! So yes, I'm actually hoping for a recession and some kinda revolution is definitely overdue.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I pretty sure that many Arab-Americans are heavily affected but I'm not one nor is there a big concern in my little town/community. And that's all that matters to me is the little community that I live in.
My life was not interfered or altered whatsoever by the Patriot Act. :cool:
Not yet it hasn't, but why get an act voted in if you never had an intention of using it.
I especially like the bit about taking our bank account and anything else we own of value when the government Sees fit to declare a state of emergency.
All i can say to people is don't get to attached all the stuff you own.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
i also plot the movement of nuclear shipments.. contribute to my departments papers and reports that go to straight to Scottish Parliament... i've worked on e-planning forums that will directly affect the poorest people of Scotland and how they get a house in the future... blah blah de blah.
Hmm... so let's see... you plot the movement of ships, wow. So you have inserted a word or two here with your big language into documents already written... and you plan stuff... all of that doesn't even come close to suggesting you would know any more about this kinda stuff than I would. I would certainly hope governments don't make people like YOU privee to matters of national security.
point is... i work for the government... nothing we do is covert or in anyway snoops into your life... MI5 might do that .. but i'm pretty sure MI5 have a staff of about 4000 people and i dont think they see me as much of a threat.. so they concentrate on snooping on idiots who believe 49 virgins await them.. or russian mafia bosses who live in london and pay no tax and have men killed...
Yes you work for the government but do you work for all departments? Do you know everything that goes on in each department? And you admit that you know nothing about MI5 so how would you know where their interests lie and what they're bothered in.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I believe activities such as the above were always illegal? Patriot act didn't make them any MORE illegal, did it?
made it easier to catch them
catching a person before the crime has taken place far outweighs catching a person after the crime has taken place
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
they should be trusted because you voted for them... if you cant trust them then dont vote... but by voting then you are, by default, entrusting them with your interests.
This is an ignorant statement. Simply for the fact that people aren't always truthfull about their platform. Even if you elect someone to office you should still question them if they do something that seems wrong to you or if you believe they are involved in something shady. I don't know if you have it over in Europe but in America we are supposed to have something called "government in sunshine". This means government operations are supposed to be open to the public and up for questioning.
I'm not going to trust someone just because when I voted for them they were trustworthy; power and money corrupts people all the time.
Do you really think that's the right answer to all this? If you don't want the government prying into your conversations, stop having them?
Hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, why worry about it? :rolleyes:
URGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Do you really think that's the right answer to all this? If you don't want the government prying into your conversations, stop having them?
but they arent prying into your conversations.. they might be after you go out and by 14 litres of battery acid, 16kg of nails, some dynamite, the 9/11 dvd, 4 books about the Koran and sign up to the 49 Virgins Welcoming Commitee.. but unless you are doing something that can be construed as illegal then they wont be prying into YOUR conversations.. they simply dont have the manpower.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I agree... hard times usually bring out the fight in people too! So yes, I'm actually hoping for a recession and some kinda revolution is definitely overdue.
Bring on the revolution!!
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Oh yes, of course people stand up... but the general consensus is that they're drugged up hippies... or simply 'nuts' as dunk would have everyone believe that I am. You can't speak out against these things or society tries to make a fool of ya. People think globalization's a good idea? And yes, I know it's the superclass... but I wish some governments would have the balls to stand up to them but no they'll give them more and more.
Well no Helen. I don't agree with that. Statistically more people stood up and protested the invasion of Iraq then protested Vietnam I'm sure I read somewhere. What you have to remember is that people are still doing stuff, they are active, they are involved and they are making an effort, BUT because the media is controlled by the big wigs the slant you get on that is definitely biased. I guess what I'm saying is, if you truly believe that change is possible then first you have to have faith in people. Don't believe what the media tells you. They are bringing our soldiers home and the American administration are under increasing pressure to bring their soldiers home too. Every day people made that happen you know. Mums and Dads, kids, teenagers, grandmas and grandpas not hippies, not druggies, not the great unwashed, every day normal folk, middle class folk even. And that's not the only place it's happened.
Oh and give a fuck what society thinks about me btw. They can laugh all they like, I don't give a fat rats. The government will stand up or make a show of standing up when the people threaten to oust them. These things are always changed in election years.
Do you really think that's the right answer to all this? If you don't want the government prying into your conversations, stop having them?
It is a tounge in cheek remark.
Sorry I didn't use the dumb .
It is funny that I seem to be one of the only Americans "affected" by this in here.
I have bigger f'ing fish to fry than to worry that the gov't is wiretapping some asshole.
I truly do.
I am a little more concerned about finding a cure for cancer or getting f'ing pedophiles off the street or getting our damn soldiers out of Iraq and mending our fences with the middle east.
If some dude is being profiled for buying 100 lbs of fertilizer, I could give a shit right now.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
i also see that even though they requested all those customer details from companies.. not one single person was affected by this... they carried on their lives as normal as they had done prior to the patriot act.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
but they arent prying into your conversations.. they might be after you go out and by 14 litres of battery acid, 16kg of nails, some dynamite, the 9/11 dvd, 4 books about the Koran and sign up to the 49 Virgins Welcoming Commitee.. but unless you are doing something that can be construed as illegal then they wont be prying into YOUR conversations.. they simply dont have the manpower.
They might not have the manpower, but they have the power to do so. What if they start doing it anyway, can't do anything about it because you'r suddenly labelled a "enemy" and can be locked up indefinitely.
This is an ignorant statement. Simply for the fact that people aren't always truthfull about their platform. Even if you elect someone to office you should still question them if they do something that seems wrong to you or if you believe they are involved in something shady. I don't know if you have it over in Europe but in America we are supposed to have something called "government in sunshine". This means government operations are supposed to be open to the public and up for questioning.
I'm not going to trust someone just because when I voted for them they were trustworthy; power and money corrupts people all the time.
its not ignorant.. Helen doesn't trust governments.. so my suggestion is to not vote for anyone.. as she doesnt trust them anyway.
and if you vote for someone in an election then you surely 'trust' them... i never alluded to finding them untrustworthy after they had been in their post for 3 years... i think its fine to question them after they are in post.. keep tabs on them so to speak... but by voting for someone in an election you are handing over your trust to them AT THAT POINT.. or surely you wouldnt vote?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i also see that even though they requested all those customer details from companies.. not one single person was affected by this... they carried on their lives as normal as they had done prior to the patriot act.
As normal as they had except with a lot of distrust towards the government, I'd think.
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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Ultimatums, eh?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Or on the other hand people, especially immigrants, might be held in detention indefinitely, or people might have their houses searched without their knowledge or permission.
I don't know about you but an act that allows authorities to come into my house and search my house without my knowledge or permission is a step too far.
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If the dude next door is suspect of making bombs in his basement or laundering cash, then the gov't can wire tap him, check his computer, basically they have free access to anything involving anysort of communication. Including credit card bills, library cards, etc.
Without the Patriot Act this is illegal and not submissable in court.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Was I issuing an ultimatum? lol
It is a simple fact.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Ah, yes but what exactly makes a person a "suspect." That's the part you should be looking into.
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I have no doubt society will go on long after we are gone. Far too late to save ourselves right now is what i mean. Thing are going to get a lot worse before they get better and a lot of people will suffer in that time.
We are heading for a global recession and hopefully it will bring about change, i would like to see change in peoples attitudes, maybe a little less selfishness and little more caring for our fellow man, but hell that's going to take another few thousand years, I'm sure.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
i make maps.
i also plot the movement of nuclear shipments.. contribute to my departments papers and reports that go to straight to Scottish Parliament... i've worked on e-planning forums that will directly affect the poorest people of Scotland and how they get a house in the future... blah blah de blah.
point is... i work for the government... nothing we do is covert or in anyway snoops into your life... MI5 might do that .. but i'm pretty sure MI5 have a staff of about 4000 people and i dont think they see me as much of a threat.. so they concentrate on snooping on idiots who believe 49 virgins await them.. or russian mafia bosses who live in london and pay no tax and have men killed...
as exciting as your life may be.. i dont think your secret service will be wasting much time on you
anyway.. shouldnt you be making coffee for your boss?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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Do you really think that's the right answer to all this? If you don't want the government prying into your conversations, stop having them?
Sounds very egotistical to me.
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Not yet it hasn't, but why get an act voted in if you never had an intention of using it.
I especially like the bit about taking our bank account and anything else we own of value when the government Sees fit to declare a state of emergency.
All i can say to people is don't get to attached all the stuff you own.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Hmm... so let's see... you plot the movement of ships, wow. So you have inserted a word or two here with your big language into documents already written... and you plan stuff... all of that doesn't even come close to suggesting you would know any more about this kinda stuff than I would. I would certainly hope governments don't make people like YOU privee to matters of national security.
Yes you work for the government but do you work for all departments? Do you know everything that goes on in each department? And you admit that you know nothing about MI5 so how would you know where their interests lie and what they're bothered in.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
made it easier to catch them
catching a person before the crime has taken place far outweighs catching a person after the crime has taken place
This is an ignorant statement. Simply for the fact that people aren't always truthfull about their platform. Even if you elect someone to office you should still question them if they do something that seems wrong to you or if you believe they are involved in something shady. I don't know if you have it over in Europe but in America we are supposed to have something called "government in sunshine". This means government operations are supposed to be open to the public and up for questioning.
I'm not going to trust someone just because when I voted for them they were trustworthy; power and money corrupts people all the time.
URGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
but they arent prying into your conversations.. they might be after you go out and by 14 litres of battery acid, 16kg of nails, some dynamite, the 9/11 dvd, 4 books about the Koran and sign up to the 49 Virgins Welcoming Commitee.. but unless you are doing something that can be construed as illegal then they wont be prying into YOUR conversations.. they simply dont have the manpower.
Bring on the revolution!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Well no Helen. I don't agree with that. Statistically more people stood up and protested the invasion of Iraq then protested Vietnam I'm sure I read somewhere. What you have to remember is that people are still doing stuff, they are active, they are involved and they are making an effort, BUT because the media is controlled by the big wigs the slant you get on that is definitely biased. I guess what I'm saying is, if you truly believe that change is possible then first you have to have faith in people. Don't believe what the media tells you. They are bringing our soldiers home and the American administration are under increasing pressure to bring their soldiers home too. Every day people made that happen you know. Mums and Dads, kids, teenagers, grandmas and grandpas not hippies, not druggies, not the great unwashed, every day normal folk, middle class folk even. And that's not the only place it's happened.
Oh and give a fuck what society thinks about me btw.
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Sorry I didn't use the dumb
It is funny that I seem to be one of the only Americans "affected" by this in here.
I have bigger f'ing fish to fry than to worry that the gov't is wiretapping some asshole.
I truly do.
I am a little more concerned about finding a cure for cancer or getting f'ing pedophiles off the street or getting our damn soldiers out of Iraq and mending our fences with the middle east.
If some dude is being profiled for buying 100 lbs of fertilizer, I could give a shit right now.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
i read that
i also see that even though they requested all those customer details from companies.. not one single person was affected by this... they carried on their lives as normal as they had done prior to the patriot act.
They might not have the manpower, but they have the power to do so. What if they start doing it anyway, can't do anything about it because you'r suddenly labelled a "enemy" and can be locked up indefinitely.
Why give them that power in the first place?
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its not ignorant.. Helen doesn't trust governments.. so my suggestion is to not vote for anyone.. as she doesnt trust them anyway.
and if you vote for someone in an election then you surely 'trust' them... i never alluded to finding them untrustworthy after they had been in their post for 3 years... i think its fine to question them after they are in post.. keep tabs on them so to speak... but by voting for someone in an election you are handing over your trust to them AT THAT POINT.. or surely you wouldnt vote?
As normal as they had except with a lot of distrust towards the government, I'd think.
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