The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
where did i say it was a good way to be? i said that we have more 'freedom' now than we did back then... or the US had during McCarthyism... i didnt say wartime britain was better?
exactly.. i do nothing wrong.. if a government wants to see what i borrow from a library, rent out on dvd, buy at Tesco, spend on my car... then i couldnt care.. cos i know they dont do that... the only track people the BELIEVE to be carrying out illegal activities.. you cant take inadmissable telephone conversations into a court.. you just cant... it needs authorised.. and i do nothing illegal, so if they want to listen to me talk to my friend about football then good for them... but they wont.
i do understand.. i dont need you to tell me what i'm not aware of or dont understand.. i know how we could fall back into those times... but in the current situation i dont envisage it happening... so i dont concern myself with it... i concern myself with doing my work, raising my kids and spending any money i have on nice holidays and stuff... i dont care to protest against something that doesnt exist.
and no i;m not concerned.. WHY SHOULD I BE? answer that for cate and i? why should I, me, be concerned?
Ok then... you choose to remain clueless... fair enough
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
post 9/11 US for 99% of its people remains exactly the same as pre 9/11... my wife's relatives live in Virginia and other than an extra check or two at an airport life is exactly the same.
SURE it is! :rolleyes: How many people vanished after 9/11? How many people vanish ALL THE TIME in China and all over the world? I'm sure they too weren't concerned about how things were going.
and you've met me... i love life and i enjoy it... i dont need a government to ALLOW me to live my life as i want to... they can check up on me all the want... i couldnt give a fuck.. in fact i'll not even know about it... so life as I and you know it, would be exactly the same... ergo.. why go so worked up about it?
who's worked up?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
We've already been targetted for our participation in Iraq Helen, and we lost a lot of good people. As to our government and how it is viewed well I don't see it as any different to other parts of the world. We the people, are not our governments, thinking folk know that.
Oh I know that Jeanie... but how many times do governments make choices completely against the wishes of their people? Our government has let quite a bit slide too... I'm not targetting any nation at all... but just pointing out to Cate, which I'm sure she knows, how simple it is for a government simply to decide to do whatever the hell they want at any time... in OUR name.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
you asked me why i wasnt concerned and i told you. theres nothing more i can say. i am not by nature an alarmist.
and there's no need to shy away from calling the australian government racist. we are all aware of our history.
and as jeanie pointed out, we have already been victim to our government's policies. we remember well the bombings in bali. am i concerned that my eldest child is flying to bali in 2 days? no i am not.
what is it exactly you want to hear from me helen?
who's asking anyone to be an alarmist? I'm not saying people should be afraid... or worry or lose sleep... but the fact that some people think it's OK... well THAT's a little bit strange... there's a difference between knowing something's wrong and refusing to go along with it... and losing sleep. I don't wanna be a sheep and just go along with things cos it's the easy option.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Ok then... you choose to remain clueless... fair enough
your trying to goad me and thats dumb.
I know what the things are that you believe the govt is doing to all its citizens... therfore i'm not clueless.. i know what you're on about... there's a massive difference.
you speak as if its the absolute truth... yet you know nothing about the machinations of a government and what it does... you work on a construction site and believe that they are out to get us all... tracking us and what we do, watching what we buy, eat, wear, read, who we talk to , have sex with, type on a message board, meet on the street, read on a blog..
and i'm clueless??? gimme a fucking break
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Oh I know that Jeanie... but how many times do governments make choices completely against the wishes of their people? Our government has let quite a bit slide too... I'm not targetting any nation at all... but just pointing out to Cate, which I'm sure she knows, how simple it is for a government simply to decide to do whatever the hell they want at any time... in OUR name.
Well yes they can do that Helen. And they do.
But like cate I have a lot of faith in ordinary people to stand up when they object and they do. I think what people fail to remember is that it's not government you're really dealing with anymore anyway, it's the World Bank and the WEF and those wheelers and dealers at the top with all the money. The multinational corporations and frankly I don't see too many people baulking at globalization. Even the consipiracy theorists seem to think it's a good idea. :(
SURE it is! :rolleyes: How many people vanished after 9/11? How many people vanish ALL THE TIME in China and all over the world? I'm sure they too weren't concerned about how things were going.
you don't even live there.. i said for the 99% of people in the US life is exactly the same... and it is... ask them. so how many people did 'vanish' Helen??? you tell me...
i never mentioned CHina, or the world?
where things are going??? do you own a crystal ball now?
what is so intrusive in your life that you cant live it properly?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I think what people fail to remember is that it's not government you're really dealing with anymore anyway, it's the World Bank and the WEF and those wheelers and dealers at the top with all the money. The multinational corporations and frankly I don't see too many people baulking at globalization. Even the consipiracy theorists seem to think it's a good idea. :(
100% agree with you here.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Drifting, Roland and all the rest who are considered "conspiracy theorists"...I want to thank you for pushing the envelope on many topics, and in a way that is very well thought out.
I am so grateful for people like you who see way outside the box. That you are so far-reaching, and can stay balanced in dealing not only with what you see, but with how people treat you for what you see....I feel nothing but respect for you. You raise issues and questions that rock the apple cart and push the status quo. And that is soo necessary.
You guys see in terms of whole new paradigms beyond what is current accepted thought that is in need of evolution. Your vision has it's perfect place in the grand scheme of things, even though, sadly, so many completely miss the relevency. Often, you present things where I am able to see at the least the kernal of truth in a way of perceiving that's just beyond ordinary. In many cases. while I may not see exactly what you see, I am forever changed by such influence, and in ways on topics, that I take forward in influencing others. I am far-seeing in certain ways, whereas some of you are far-seeing in ways I am not. I value our front-runners so very, very much. I want you guys to know that. I recognize the value of what you do...all the while people blindly scoff and pathologize the very people who are looking out for them.
It doesn't matter if the majority doesn't get it. You are generating a rarefied type of awareness and thinking that eventually has a trickle down effect.
Kudos to you! Peace.
i think their energy and passion could be better used for actual issues and progress instead of constantly focusing on conpiracy. their passion for conspiracy in all forms is distracting them from real causes. the world needs more active progressives, not internet conspiracy experts. in my honest opinion.
But when will enough be enough and people actually stand up and say something? My guess is when it is far too late.
People stand up now. This isn't a new thing, it's how the world has operated for a very long time. The rich and powerful have always controlled the masses. The difficult thing for them now is that we've all been brought up in Western culture to believe we are individuals and that we all have the ability to succeed at anything. So the pyramid got fat in the middle and now they're trying to force all the masses back down into the bottom of the pyramid. This recession we're going into will force a lot of change. And far too late? Sorry spiral but far too late? What does that even mean? The only time it's too late is when you're dead and we all have to die some day. Society will go on after we are gone.
I know what the things are that you believe the govt is doing to all its citizens... therfore i'm not clueless.. i know what you're on about... there's a massive difference.
you speak as if its the absolute truth... yet you know nothing about the machinations of a government and what it does... you work on a construction site and believe that they are out to get us all... tracking us and what we do, watching what we buy, eat, wear, read, who we talk to , have sex with, type on a message board, meet on the street, read on a blog..
and i'm clueless???
Yep!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
But like cate I have a lot of faith in ordinary people to stand up when they object and they do. I think what people fail to remember is that it's not government you're really dealing with anymore anyway, it's the World Bank and the WEF and those wheelers and dealers at the top with all the money. The multinational corporations and frankly I don't see too many people baulking at globalization. Even the consipiracy theorists seem to think it's a good idea. :(
Oh yes, of course people stand up... but the general consensus is that they're drugged up hippies... or simply 'nuts' as dunk would have everyone believe that I am. You can't speak out against these things or society tries to make a fool of ya. People think globalization's a good idea? And yes, I know it's the superclass... but I wish some governments would have the balls to stand up to them but no they'll give them more and more.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
you don't even live there.. i said for the 99% of people in the US life is exactly the same... and it is... ask them. so how many people did 'vanish' Helen??? you tell me...
i never mentioned CHina, or the world?
where things are going??? do you own a crystal ball now?
what is so intrusive in your life that you cant live it properly?
No, I mentioned China and the world... you chose to ignore the fact that I did! You don't think Chinese people consider themselves 'normal' like those normal people you referred to who get to live as they want?
Oh I can live my life properly... as it stands... but there are BILLIONS of people who CAN'T... yep, billions dunk! And very often you see governments slowly remove one more little right from people. And nope, I don't live in the US but hey you've never even been there as for your 99%??????????? HUH? Haven't you heard of the patriot act? :eek:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
brilliant answer... as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Helen, it appears you are the clueless one... as you actually have no idea what it is yours, or anyones, government is up to... so you're clueless
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
But when will enough be enough and people actually stand up and say something? My guess is when it is far too late.
unfortunately yes! And hey, as long as there are people like dunk who laugh at us and call us nuts and tell us we should forget about it and just have kids and get a mortgage... well........... :(
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
People stand up now. This isn't a new thing, it's how the world has operated for a very long time. The rich and powerful have always controlled the masses. The difficult thing for them now is that we've all been brought up in Western culture to believe we are individuals and that we all have the ability to succeed at anything. So the pyramid got fat in the middle and now they're trying to force all the masses back down into the bottom of the pyramid. This recession we're going into will force a lot of change. And far too late? Sorry spiral but far too late? What does that even mean? The only time it's too late is when you're dead and we all have to die some day. Society will go on after we are gone.
How many people stand up now? Don't worry, I'm not asking for actual figures or anything but wouldn't you agree that a far greater number of people just get on with their day to day lives and dismiss those who DO stand up as fruitcakes... and suggest their energy be better put to the test elsewhere?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
brilliant answer... as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Helen, it appears you are the clueless one... as you actually have no idea what it is yours, or anyones, government is up to... so you're clueless
Perhaps if you debated my point, rather than point out that I work on a building site so what the fuck would I know... well I might have put some thought into my answer.
DO YOU have a clue what any government is up to? I have quite a bit of information as to their capabilities... as a lot of people do... and the fact that governments often prove to not be working in their peoples interests... well why should they be trusted with those capabilities?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Oh I can live my life properly... as it stands... but there are BILLIONS of people who CAN'T... yep, billions dunk! And very often you see governments slowly remove one more little right from people. And nope, I don't live in the US but hey you've never even been there as for your 99%??????????? HUH? Haven't you heard of the patriot act? :eek:
you are more free today than you were in any other time.. simple fact.
i care more about my current life than i care about billions of people i dont even know. Cuba has been a communist state for years.... Communism is one of the most restrictive and intrusive forms of governments you can have... and yet millions think Castro is a hero for standing up to AMerica... he's a retard who jails his own people simply because they speak out against his regime.
99% of americans are in no way affected directly by the patriot act... they live their life as they did before 9/11... simple fact.
there is nothing you can do it about the government of China... i mean you as in you... you can join some hippy protest march if you want but they dont give a fuck... and neither do i
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
No, I mentioned China and the world... you chose to ignore the fact that I did! You don't think Chinese people consider themselves 'normal' like those normal people you referred to who get to live as they want?
Oh I can live my life properly... as it stands... but there are BILLIONS of people who CAN'T... yep, billions dunk! And very often you see governments slowly remove one more little right from people. And nope, I don't live in the US but hey you've never even been there as for your 99%??????????? HUH? Haven't you heard of the patriot act? :eek:
My life was not interfered or altered whatsoever by the Patriot Act. :cool:
My life was not interfered or altered whatsoever by the Patriot Act. :cool:
That may be so, but because of it your life can be interfered with or altered. The possibility is there and you can't do anything about it.
I think that if a law, an act, a treaty or whatever can affect someone, if it does infringe upon someone's rights, even if it's only one person, it is a threat to me too.
Perhaps if you debated my point, rather than point out that I work on a building site so what the fuck would I know... well I might have put some thought into my answer.
DO YOU have a clue what any government is up to? I have quite a bit of information as to their capabilities... as a lot of people do... and the fact that governments often prove to not be working in their peoples interests... well why should they be trusted with those capabilities?
i work for the government Hells...
they should be trusted because you voted for them... if you cant trust them then dont vote... but by voting then you are, by default, entrusting them with your interests.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
you are more free today than you were in any other time.. simple fact.
i care more about my current life than i care about billions of people i dont even know. Cuba has been a communist state for years.... Communism is one of the most restrictive and intrusive forms of governments you can have... and yet millions think Castro is a hero for standing up to AMerica... he's a retard who jails his own people simply because they speak out against his regime.
Stop calling things 'simple fact' when it's a matter of opinion. And yes, I do realise that I take a lot of freedoms for granted that simply don't exist anywhere else... and I'm forever grateful for that... which is why I don't see why there is any need to give any of it up... no matter how little it seems to you... give one small freedom up every month and in 5/10 years you might notice a difference... probably even quicker than that. There are not billions of people living in Cuba... I'm not suggesting you become a communist... and nowhere did I even mention Cuba
99% of americans are in no way affected directly by the patriot act... they live their life as they did before 9/11... simple fact.
I don't know... nor do you... whether they live their lives as they did before 9/11... but I believe the patriot act actually covers ALL Americans. I mean tell me if I'm wrong here but doesn't that mean 100% of Americans are affected BY the patriot act? :cool: See we can all pull figures out of our arse... if you're gonna use statistics and percentages, back them up.
there is nothing you can do it about the government of China... i mean you as in you... you can join some hippy protest march if you want but they dont give a fuck... and neither do i
Evidently!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
That may be so, but because of it your life can be interfered with or altered. The possibility is there and you can't do anything about it.
I think that if a law, an act, a treaty or whatever can affect someone, if it does infringe upon someone's rights, even if it's only one person, it is a threat to me too.
If some dude is whipping up bombs in his basement next door or laundering cash to support his upcoming terrorist attack then you can bet your ass I want his life interferred with.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
That may be so, but because of it your life can be interfered with or altered. The possibility is there and you can't do anything about it.
Thank you! It's just so simple isn't it? I mean how many completely innocent peoples lives were turned upside down as a direct result of the patriot act.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
That may be so, but because of it your life can be interfered with or altered. The possibility is there and you can't do anything about it.
that may be the case... but that person will most likely never know... the FBI might be reading this very page... but our lives have not been changed in way or form.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
they should be trusted because you voted for them... if you cant trust them then dont vote... but by voting then you are, by default, entrusting them with your interests.
I didn't vote for them. For many many reasons! And yes, I know you work for the government... what is it you do again? Make maps? Ah yes... I see how you would then be so much more informed about all of this! :rolleyes:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
that may be the case... but that person will most likely never know... the FBI might be reading this very page... but our lives have not been changed in way or form.
If you don't want to be "affected" by the patriot act, then get your ass of the grid.
Simple.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Thank you! It's just so simple isn't it? I mean how many completely innocent peoples lives were turned upside down as a direct result of the patriot act.
about 4 most likely.
if you dont know the answer then stop promoting suppositions
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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im not a frog.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Lol, I'm sure your not.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
SURE it is! :rolleyes: How many people vanished after 9/11? How many people vanish ALL THE TIME in China and all over the world? I'm sure they too weren't concerned about how things were going.
who's worked up?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
your trying to goad me and thats dumb.
I know what the things are that you believe the govt is doing to all its citizens... therfore i'm not clueless.. i know what you're on about... there's a massive difference.
you speak as if its the absolute truth... yet you know nothing about the machinations of a government and what it does... you work on a construction site and believe that they are out to get us all... tracking us and what we do, watching what we buy, eat, wear, read, who we talk to , have sex with, type on a message board, meet on the street, read on a blog..
and i'm clueless???
Well yes they can do that Helen.
But like cate I have a lot of faith in ordinary people to stand up when they object and they do. I think what people fail to remember is that it's not government you're really dealing with anymore anyway, it's the World Bank and the WEF and those wheelers and dealers at the top with all the money. The multinational corporations and frankly I don't see too many people baulking at globalization. Even the consipiracy theorists seem to think it's a good idea. :(
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
you don't even live there.. i said for the 99% of people in the US life is exactly the same... and it is... ask them. so how many people did 'vanish' Helen??? you tell me...
i never mentioned CHina, or the world?
where things are going??? do you own a crystal ball now?
what is so intrusive in your life that you cant live it properly?
But when will enough be enough and people actually stand up and say something? My guess is when it is far too late.
100% agree with you here.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
i think their energy and passion could be better used for actual issues and progress instead of constantly focusing on conpiracy. their passion for conspiracy in all forms is distracting them from real causes. the world needs more active progressives, not internet conspiracy experts. in my honest opinion.
People stand up now. This isn't a new thing, it's how the world has operated for a very long time. The rich and powerful have always controlled the masses. The difficult thing for them now is that we've all been brought up in Western culture to believe we are individuals and that we all have the ability to succeed at anything. So the pyramid got fat in the middle and now they're trying to force all the masses back down into the bottom of the pyramid. This recession we're going into will force a lot of change. And far too late? Sorry spiral but far too late? What does that even mean? The only time it's too late is when you're dead and we all have to die some day. Society will go on after we are gone.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Oh I can live my life properly... as it stands... but there are BILLIONS of people who CAN'T... yep, billions dunk! And very often you see governments slowly remove one more little right from people. And nope, I don't live in the US but hey you've never even been there
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
brilliant answer... as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Helen, it appears you are the clueless one... as you actually have no idea what it is yours, or anyones, government is up to... so you're clueless
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
DO YOU have a clue what any government is up to? I have quite a bit of information as to their capabilities... as a lot of people do... and the fact that governments often prove to not be working in their peoples interests... well why should they be trusted with those capabilities?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
you are more free today than you were in any other time.. simple fact.
i care more about my current life than i care about billions of people i dont even know. Cuba has been a communist state for years.... Communism is one of the most restrictive and intrusive forms of governments you can have... and yet millions think Castro is a hero for standing up to AMerica... he's a retard who jails his own people simply because they speak out against his regime.
99% of americans are in no way affected directly by the patriot act... they live their life as they did before 9/11... simple fact.
there is nothing you can do it about the government of China... i mean you as in you... you can join some hippy protest march if you want but they dont give a fuck... and neither do i
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
That may be so, but because of it your life can be interfered with or altered. The possibility is there and you can't do anything about it.
I think that if a law, an act, a treaty or whatever can affect someone, if it does infringe upon someone's rights, even if it's only one person, it is a threat to me too.
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i work for the government Hells...
they should be trusted because you voted for them... if you cant trust them then dont vote... but by voting then you are, by default, entrusting them with your interests.
Stop calling things 'simple fact' when it's a matter of opinion. And yes, I do realise that I take a lot of freedoms for granted that simply don't exist anywhere else... and I'm forever grateful for that... which is why I don't see why there is any need to give any of it up... no matter how little it seems to you... give one small freedom up every month and in 5/10 years you might notice a difference... probably even quicker than that. There are not billions of people living in Cuba... I'm not suggesting you become a communist... and nowhere did I even mention Cuba
I don't know... nor do you... whether they live their lives as they did before 9/11... but I believe the patriot act actually covers ALL Americans. I mean tell me if I'm wrong here but doesn't that mean 100% of Americans are affected BY the patriot act? :cool: See we can all pull figures out of our arse... if you're gonna use statistics and percentages, back them up.
Evidently!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
that may be the case... but that person will most likely never know... the FBI might be reading this very page... but our lives have not been changed in way or form.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Simple.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
about 4 most likely.
if you dont know the answer then stop promoting suppositions