Pushing the Envelope

angelica

Drifting, Roland and all the rest who are considered "conspiracy theorists"...I want to thank you for pushing the envelope on many topics, and in a way that is very well thought out.

I am so grateful for people like you who see way outside the box. That you are so far-reaching, and can stay balanced in dealing not only with what you see, but with how people treat you for what you see....I feel nothing but respect for you. You raise issues and questions that rock the apple cart and push the status quo. And that is soo necessary.

You guys see in terms of whole new paradigms beyond what is current accepted thought that is in need of evolution. Your vision has it's perfect place in the grand scheme of things, even though, sadly, so many completely miss the relevency. Often, you present things where I am able to see at the least the kernal of truth in a way of perceiving that's just beyond ordinary. In many cases. while I may not see exactly what you see, I am forever changed by such influence, and in ways on topics, that I take forward in influencing others. I am far-seeing in certain ways, whereas some of you are far-seeing in ways I am not. I value our front-runners so very, very much. I want you guys to know that. I recognize the value of what you do...all the while people blindly scoff and pathologize the very people who are looking out for them.

It doesn't matter if the majority doesn't get it. You are generating a rarefied type of awareness and thinking that eventually has a trickle down effect.

Kudos to you! Peace.

g under p

Wow very nice. *Human Beings Behaving Humanly*...BRILLIANT!

Why follow the crowd make a dfference and be different in this short time we're on this earth. Stay Human

Peace sign...Happy 50th anniversary 1958-2008

Abookamongstthemany

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gE857DJWX2w

Urban Hiker

Beautiful post, angelica.
no echo intended

I love that their threads get me thinking and exploring ideas.

g under p

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gE857DJWX2w

That was so cool I had to play it again Abook.

Peace

angelica

Thanks, Urban Hiker!!

And to continue on with the no-echo-intended ....echo....

This can't be said enough, so here's a different version!:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dvn_Ied9t4M&feature=related

angelica

g under p wrote:

Why follow the crowd make a dfference and be different in this short time we're on this earth. Stay Human

!!

El_Kabong

william s burroughs said something to the effect of the ppl who appear to have problems and don't fit in are usually the most in tune w/ the world and they are this way b/c they see all these things around them that they can't agree w/ while society keeps going right along like it's nothing...it affects these other ppl

Heineken Helen

El_Kabong wrote:

william s burroughs said something to the effect of the ppl who appear to have problems and don't fit in are usually the most in tune w/ the world and they are this way b/c they see all these things around them that they can't agree w/ while society keeps going right along like it's nothing...it affects these other ppl

It constantly boggles my mind as to how people see things differently. I mean, in many ways, many of us are the same... but when it comes to left/right spectrum... some people get it, some people don't... and I really don't understand how some don't

SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO ME

Is it just that some people don't care and are more 'worried' about what's going on in their personal life that they can't see everything around them... OR is there just something in our brains that triggers it.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Is it just that some people don't care and are more 'worried' about what's going on in their personal life that they can't see everything around them... OR is there just something in our brains that triggers it.

maybe they can see it but their personal life is considered more important than that of 'worrying' whether their government is listening to their very mundane and extremely long telephone conversations

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

maybe they can see it but their personal life is considered more important than that of 'worrying' whether their government is listening to their very mundane and extremely long telephone conversations

And what of their kids? If the government is up to stuff like that now, what do you think they'll be like when your kids or THEIR kids grow up? I think people with kids should actually be MORE worried about what's going on than us useless waste of space non kids people

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

And what of their kids? If the government is up to stuff like that now, what do you think they'll be like when your kids or THEIR kids grow up? I think people with kids should actually be MORE worried about what's going on than us useless waste of space non kids people

you speak as if government intrusion has got to a horrendous level... imagine living during the 2nd world war... people were much more 'watched'.

then there is the Cold War, cuban crisis, McCarthyism, etc etc..

i think there is less intrusion these days than in the past.

and if they want to monitor me then fine.. i do nothing illegal and within 15 minutes of reading my posts on here they'll realise i'm just a mentalist.

but what do i have to worry about my government for? and not for my family or me? vast majority of people dont give a shit... simply because if my government wants to listen into a muslim church to hear if they are inciting hatred then fine.. if that church isnt doing anything wrong then whats the big deal?

i just dont get why there has to be a conspiracy for EVERYTHING... i mean... people think that their credit card purchases are being traced and yet there are over 3 billion purchases made each week... there are over 4 billlion text messages sent in one day.. nobody has the technology to 'track' anything when the figures are that vast.. its just unfeasible

dunkman

angelica wrote:

It doesn't matter if the majority doesn't get it. You are generating a rarefied type of awareness and thinking that eventually has a trickle down effect.

that's elitist and its opinion.. you're passing it off as factual... which it isnt.

i dont 'get it'???? because I'm not aware?

wow

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

you speak as if government intrusion has got to a horrendous level... imagine living during the 2nd world war... people were much more 'watched'.

then there is the Cold War, cuban crisis, McCarthyism, etc etc..

i think there is less intrusion these days than in the past.

and if they want to monitor me then fine.. i do nothing illegal and within 15 minutes of reading my posts on here they'll realise i'm just a mentalist.

but what do i have to worry about my government for? and not for my family or me? vast majority of people dont give a shit... simply because if my government wants to listen into a muslim church to hear if they are inciting hatred then fine.. if that church isnt doing anything wrong then whats the big deal?

i just dont get why there has to be a conspiracy for EVERYTHING... i mean... people think that their credit card purchases are being traced and yet there are over 3 billion purchases made each week... there are over 4 billlion text messages sent in one day.. nobody has the technology to 'track' anything when the figures are that vast.. its just unfeasible

You can keep making excuses as long as you want... nobody knows WHAT the governments are capable of OR are doing. Once something is possible, however unlikely, that's enough for me to be wary. And enough with the 'if I'm not doing anything wrong, what does it matter?'. I have a right to privacy... If I talk to somebody on the phone I should be entitled to presume nobody is listening to my private conversation... UNLESS I'm doing something illegal it's simply none of their business what I talk about or what I think about.

How were people much more watched during the 2nd world war? They didn't have phones, internet.. you could easily have a private conversation and expect it to be private.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

that's elitist and its opinion.. you're passing it off as factual... which it isnt.

i dont 'get it'???? because I'm not aware?

wow

No, you're not aware... your opinion that we're not being watched and if we are, so what? could potentially grant governments WAY too much power. Unfortunately there are too many people who think like you!

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

And what of their kids? If the government is up to stuff like that now, what do you think they'll be like when your kids or THEIR kids grow up? I think people with kids should actually be MORE worried about what's going on than us useless waste of space non kids people

really? i have 4 children and im not concerned. and i am far from unaware.

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

really? i have 4 children and im not concerned. and i am far from unaware.

why aren't you concerned?

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

why aren't you concerned?

why should i be?

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

why should i be?

URGH... now I'm gonna give you a woman reply... IF YOU DON'T know that why should I tell you?

If you're 'certainly not unaware' meaning you're aware? Yet you're not concerned for the world your kids and their kids are going to grow up in... well that just makes no sense!

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

URGH... now I'm gonna give you a woman reply... IF YOU DON'T know that why should I tell you?

If you're 'certainly not unaware' meaning you're aware? Yet you're not concerned for the world your kids and their kids are going to grow up in... well that just makes no sense!

oh for crying out loud... dont play the woman card with me.


i am not concerned for the world my children and grand daughter will inherit because i am aware that throughout history people have been thrown up who make it their mission to right the wrongs. perhaps this attitude of mine is caused by the fact that ive grown up in australia. our history is not long enough for me to be concerned. we have certainly never suspended habeus corpus, never had a civil war, never been invaded by a colonial power. and yes i say this all from the view point of a privileged white person. and i am well aware of how biased my statements are. the world is not as small as people think. the actions of certain governments would never find purchase in my own. am i naive? no, i dont think so. i just do not believe that as a people australians would allow themselves to be cuckolded to the point of having our rights abused. if i ever thought for a second my rights under threat or even crowded upon i would stand at the top of the steps of the town hall and voice my dissent.(actually come to think of it, ive already done that on more than one occasion) i guerss i just have more faith in my people than my government.
there is not one world but many worlds and i think that too many people forget that.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

How were people much more watched during the 2nd world war? They didn't have phones, internet.. you could easily have a private conversation and expect it to be private.

could you???

shit hells... if you dont think the government watched their public in the 2nd world war then you are deeply deeply mistaken... think about those adverts for "the walls have ears" and stuff like that.

people would be jailed on hearsay, arrested without trial for the good of the war effort, etc etc ... men would go around the streets at night in london and fine people or jail them if they had no money for leaving a chink of light showing during the Blitz... the government read everyones letters that went out of the country... all non-nationals were herded up and made to live in compounds whilst they were investigated...