um no, there is no "in depth" conversation here. If you offered the "bust my ass 24-7 until the job was done" service like they do, we wouldnt have this discussion. There is nothing more to it.
actually in my case i would,cause i really need a job.but thats just me
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Sponger...you ever been to Mexico...cause I have...many many times...lived for alittle while in Mexico City....it aint that bad...absolutely beutiful areas and people....and the middle class is growing. Lots of nice new cars...shopping centers...neighborhoods...as far a corruption...well I think its worse in the US.....there they admit its part of their culture..here...we're just paying under the table....Lobbiests. Yes the US has much higher wages and thats the reason they come here.....and its cause people are paying them the money..and in Texas its the Republican that are paying them...sooooo..Please.
I hear ya. No, I've never been to central mexico. I've been as far south as ensanada a couple of times. Been to TJ a million and one drunken nights, but I'm not comparing TJ to the rest of Mexico.
I've had a few friends who have lived in Mexico City. I dated a chick from there whose dad was a drug trafficker. Actually I dated another chick whose dad was also a drug trafficker, but she didn't live in Mexico City, so I guess that doesn't count. A good friend of mine is married to a chick who hails from a drug trafficking family, but she also has not lived in any part of mexico other than Baja.
But, the people I've known from Mexico City all have said the same exact thing, which is, "Don't judge mexico until you've been to mexico city." Well, I just don't think that's saying much. You and I both know that there's more to mexico than mexico city.
Sure, there are some nice areas. You mentioned a growing middle class, some nice cars, and a few shopping malls. Is that supposed to mean that everything is hunky dory down there?
And you mention immigrants coming across the border just for the higher paying wages. But, are those higher paying wages worth a life-endangering treks across the desert or hiding inside of empty gas tanks?
In 2002, half of Mexico's population lived in poverty. Access to drinking water was at 58 percent, while access to sanitation services was at 26 percent.
I think they're looking for more than just a bigger paycheck. They're looking to feed their starving famlies with american dollars. I can't say I really blame them for that. I would do the same if I was in their position.
And you think the US is more corrupted than Mexico? Really? Is that what you really think? You have to be kidding. I know our government suffers from corruption, but to the extent that exists in Mexico? Why even bother defending that stance? Don't underestimate my ability to use google.
And lastly, who cares if mexico once owned much of what is now south central and south western USA? If they did, they'd still be immigrating to what would be the USA. It's not a question of their needing more land; it's a question of their needing a better economy. If we gave them back Texas, that would only mean a whole bunch of poverty in Texas. They don't want Texas. They want America.
pretty heated debate...I dont really know what for...People come into this country all the time illegally, has it really changed your life? I haven't heard one person say this has impacted their life. I live in a sanctuary city known as Denver CO...Once illegals get here, they can stay without consiquence, regardless of their status. Denver is at the focal point of the debate due to a couple of recent incidences regarding criminal illegals. Overall I would have to say that I and the illegal have lived in harmony. For those of you who say, hey the illegal is taking my job! Yeah right, when was the last time you saw a white guy like me busting ass and laying bricks or doing any type of labring for that matter...dont worry I'll wait...yeah never. Give me a break, they've been here forever, and they'll continue to be here. So I will suggest this. Learn spansih (it's really easy, in less than a week in an emersion class and you'll have it_) as Spanglish will soon become the common language, I know you hate it, but it's true and only a matter of time. Embrace!
A friend of mine actually lays brick for a living supporting 4 kids. It's not so much the jobs that we're bitching about but the things they get away with because they don't speak English people around town don't want to deal with them. They are constantly stealing stuff, harrassing the women in our town and driving drunk around town with no license or insurance & causing accidents. I'd say that's impacting our lives. If you read the safety blotter in our newspaper every week you'd see what I mean. The cops don't want to deal with them. It's too much trouble.
Don't get me wrong! I have many Mexican friends. They have been here for a long time and have learned English and are decent respectable people. My Mexican friends actually get really pissed at the other Mexicans who refuse to adapt to our culture. It hurts everything they've worked so hard for here and relfects badly on them.
What kind of message are we sending when a person comes into our country illegally and all they have to do is give birth to a kid in our country and we allow them to stay? Hmmm?? *scratches head* So it's okay if you break our laws as long as you have a kid here who will eventually end up on WIC or some other government assistance cause their parents took our low paying jobs. Not only that but it's up to us to learn Spanish because otherwise we would be frowned upon for not being able to communicate and get along with those who broke the law. Geez, so if I wanted to live in Mexico and I didn't feel like doing it leagally I guess I should expect Mexico to be ok with that as long as I get knocked up there & have a kid. Then I should expect Mexico to swing some dinero my way cause my job doesn't pay enough & oh yeah they'd better know English cause I don't know how to speak Spanish. For some reason I don't think Mexico would be so cooperative so why should we be? It's funny how our country is the only country who is expected to be so understanding and allow these things to happen and it's completely ok that other countries aren't so understanding.
do you think my people and ancestors are dogs?that need to be liscensed; do you think about the american child that has both parents non documented? what goes for this ? do you think about it from the core of the people?
have we forgot about being human, first? do you really want homeland security agency stirring your entire pot? wow! think about this. if ever there was a time to privatize, it's now. if you wanna invest your money whereever you see fit, good and great, but for your skills, you should go independent, so we can start supporting our local economies autonomously.(ultimately keeping big bro out of your neighborhoods)...u have to look beyond the obvious here; 11million folks have helped support gnp since before 1849's..
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Very interesting topic, it really shows the ignorance on some people. "Giant sewer"... let's generalize more, it's fun!
Sure, there's A LOT of poverty... but seems some people just see that when they know shit about this country. Don't want to say names, but some people need to educate themselves a little bit.
I'll leave you with this, the giant sewer where I live:
Such a sad topic. I specially liked the post that said that placing land mines in the border was a good idea, and later said he liked Mexicans. I so can feel the love.
Mexico City - July 17th 2003
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
Very interesting topic, it really shows the ignorance on some people. "Giant sewer"... let's generalize more, it's fun!
Sure, there's A LOT of poverty... but seems some people just see that when they know shit about this country. Don't want to say names, but some people need to educate themselves a little bit.
I'll leave you with this, the giant sewer where I live:
Such a sad topic. I specially liked the post that said that placing land mines in the border was a good idea, and later said he liked Mexicans. I so can feel the love.
Oh, nice tourist attractions and historical monuments. That's like saying all of Washington DC looks like the White House. If things are so great down there, then why the immigration by the millions who risk life and limb to get here? Why the 26% sanitation?
Why is it that in 2000, an area just outside of Mexico was flooded by 3 feet of sewage because your government ignored warnings to build an adequate waste system?
Cruz Martinez and others said the streets of some neighbourhoods in Chalco were littered with miles of cement sewage pipes that never were installed and connected underground.
And I think that's part of mexico's problem: A lot of people there refuse to admit that there is a problem. They are too proud to come to terms with the severe lack of infrastructure down there. They are either too proud or too corrupt. In either case, the problem persists. Just look at the millions of gallons of tijuana sewage that pours into the pacific ocean because of inadequate treatment facilities. But, see, that's OK because it all flows up past the US border anyway.
And, although it may seem hard to believe, I do like Mexican people. That is, it's nothing personal. In fact, land mines along our border would probably save lives.
In 2003, there were 154 deaths recorded by the border patrol in the Tucsan and Yuma border areas alone. If those people had known that landmines would be waiting for them somewhere along the border, maybe they wouldn't have even tried.
Landmines would most likely put a halt on immigration, forcing Mexico to find a new basis for its economy. Then maybe they'll start building more schools and improving its infrastructure.
Oh, nice tourist attractions and historical monuments. That's like saying all of Washington DC looks like the White House. If things are so great down there, then why the immigration by the millions who risk life and limb to get here? Why the 26% sanitation?
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't read my post so here goes again just for you:
I NEVER said things are great down here... but not everything is a giant sewer like you wrote. And please check the links, yes there are pics of tourist attractions and monuments, but there are pics of regular buildings and offices too.
Why is it that in 2000, an area just outside of Mexico was flooded by 3 feet of sewage because your government ignored warnings to build an adequate waste system?
And I think that's part of mexico's problem: A lot of people there refuse to admit that there is a problem. They are too proud to come to terms with the severe lack of infrastructure down there. They are either too proud or too corrupt.
Hahaha, ok here goes one more time, form my previous post:
I NEVER said things are great down here... but not everything is a giant sewer like you wrote.
Trust me, 99% of the population down here knows we have many problems. The only point of my post was for you to acknowledge we don't live in the stone age, we have issues, many issues yes... but since you have never been south of Tijuana you know shit about the rest of the country but what google gets for you. Hell, you dated 3 different chicks whose fathers were dealers?! What the fuck is that! I have yet to meet 1 drug dealer here...
In either case, the problem persists. Just look at the millions of gallons of tijuana sewage that pours into the pacific ocean because of inadequate treatment facilities. But, see, that's OK because it all flows up past the US border anyway.
I hate to point fingers, but please remind me what country produces most of the toxics gas and trash in the world?
And, although it may seem hard to believe, I do like Mexican people. That is, it's nothing personal. In fact, land mines along our border would probably save lives.
In 2003, there were 154 deaths recorded by the border patrol in the Tucsan and Yuma border areas alone. If those people had known that landmines would be waiting for them somewhere along the border, maybe they wouldn't have even tried.
Landmines would most likely put a halt on immigration, forcing Mexico to find a new basis for its economy. Then maybe they'll start building more schools and improving its infrastructure.
Sure, whatever you want, it's your side of the border. You can dig and place a river where giants sharks with lasers attached to their heads can pulverize immigrants on sight. You are the US, you can do whatever the fuck you want. I gave up some months ago trying to seriously discuss the immigration issue with americans since most don't seem to know these are human beings. Just don't give me that crap that you like Mexican people while saying landmines would be a great idea. If it really makes you feel good at night to think that landmines would be good for illegal immigrants, well more power to you.
Mexico City - July 17th 2003
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
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Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I hear ya. No, I've never been to central mexico. I've been as far south as ensanada a couple of times. Been to TJ a million and one drunken nights, but I'm not comparing TJ to the rest of Mexico.
I've had a few friends who have lived in Mexico City. I dated a chick from there whose dad was a drug trafficker. Actually I dated another chick whose dad was also a drug trafficker, but she didn't live in Mexico City, so I guess that doesn't count. A good friend of mine is married to a chick who hails from a drug trafficking family, but she also has not lived in any part of mexico other than Baja.
But, the people I've known from Mexico City all have said the same exact thing, which is, "Don't judge mexico until you've been to mexico city." Well, I just don't think that's saying much. You and I both know that there's more to mexico than mexico city.
Sure, there are some nice areas. You mentioned a growing middle class, some nice cars, and a few shopping malls. Is that supposed to mean that everything is hunky dory down there?
And you mention immigrants coming across the border just for the higher paying wages. But, are those higher paying wages worth a life-endangering treks across the desert or hiding inside of empty gas tanks?
In 2002, half of Mexico's population lived in poverty. Access to drinking water was at 58 percent, while access to sanitation services was at 26 percent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/MEXICOEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20233967~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:338397,00.html
I think they're looking for more than just a bigger paycheck. They're looking to feed their starving famlies with american dollars. I can't say I really blame them for that. I would do the same if I was in their position.
And you think the US is more corrupted than Mexico? Really? Is that what you really think? You have to be kidding. I know our government suffers from corruption, but to the extent that exists in Mexico? Why even bother defending that stance? Don't underestimate my ability to use google.
And lastly, who cares if mexico once owned much of what is now south central and south western USA? If they did, they'd still be immigrating to what would be the USA. It's not a question of their needing more land; it's a question of their needing a better economy. If we gave them back Texas, that would only mean a whole bunch of poverty in Texas. They don't want Texas. They want America.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
You should go see a shrink
Your put-downs carry little weight without supporting details. Maybe that's why you resort to put-downs?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
www.amnesty.org.uk
What does that have to do with the topic?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
A friend of mine actually lays brick for a living supporting 4 kids. It's not so much the jobs that we're bitching about but the things they get away with because they don't speak English people around town don't want to deal with them. They are constantly stealing stuff, harrassing the women in our town and driving drunk around town with no license or insurance & causing accidents. I'd say that's impacting our lives. If you read the safety blotter in our newspaper every week you'd see what I mean. The cops don't want to deal with them. It's too much trouble.
Don't get me wrong! I have many Mexican friends. They have been here for a long time and have learned English and are decent respectable people. My Mexican friends actually get really pissed at the other Mexicans who refuse to adapt to our culture. It hurts everything they've worked so hard for here and relfects badly on them.
have we forgot about being human, first? do you really want homeland security agency stirring your entire pot? wow! think about this. if ever there was a time to privatize, it's now. if you wanna invest your money whereever you see fit, good and great, but for your skills, you should go independent, so we can start supporting our local economies autonomously.(ultimately keeping big bro out of your neighborhoods)...u have to look beyond the obvious here; 11million folks have helped support gnp since before 1849's..
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
Sure, there's A LOT of poverty... but seems some people just see that when they know shit about this country. Don't want to say names, but some people need to educate themselves a little bit.
I'll leave you with this, the giant sewer where I live:
Just some of my favorite cities down here (granted, there are also some awful places, but seems some people need to see the other side)
http://www.esmexico.com/fotografias/areas.php?len=&seccion=estados&Estado=Distrito%20Federal&Area=Ciudad%20de%20M%E9xico
http://www.esmexico.com/fotografias/areas.php?len=&seccion=estados&Estado=Guanajuato&Area=Guanajuato
http://www.esmexico.com/fotografias/areas.php?len=&seccion=estados&Estado=Yucat%E1n&Area=M%E9rida
http://www.esmexico.com/fotografias/areas.php?len=&seccion=estados&Estado=Nuevo%20Le%F3n&Area=Monterrey
http://www.esmexico.com/fotografias/areas.php?len=&seccion=estados&Estado=Quintana%20Roo&Area=Canc%FAn
Such a sad topic. I specially liked the post that said that placing land mines in the border was a good idea, and later said he liked Mexicans. I so can feel the love.
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
Oh, nice tourist attractions and historical monuments. That's like saying all of Washington DC looks like the White House. If things are so great down there, then why the immigration by the millions who risk life and limb to get here? Why the 26% sanitation?
Why is it that in 2000, an area just outside of Mexico was flooded by 3 feet of sewage because your government ignored warnings to build an adequate waste system?
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=6983
And I think that's part of mexico's problem: A lot of people there refuse to admit that there is a problem. They are too proud to come to terms with the severe lack of infrastructure down there. They are either too proud or too corrupt. In either case, the problem persists. Just look at the millions of gallons of tijuana sewage that pours into the pacific ocean because of inadequate treatment facilities. But, see, that's OK because it all flows up past the US border anyway.
And, although it may seem hard to believe, I do like Mexican people. That is, it's nothing personal. In fact, land mines along our border would probably save lives.
In 2003, there were 154 deaths recorded by the border patrol in the Tucsan and Yuma border areas alone. If those people had known that landmines would be waiting for them somewhere along the border, maybe they wouldn't have even tried.
Landmines would most likely put a halt on immigration, forcing Mexico to find a new basis for its economy. Then maybe they'll start building more schools and improving its infrastructure.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't read my post so here goes again just for you:
I NEVER said things are great down here... but not everything is a giant sewer like you wrote. And please check the links, yes there are pics of tourist attractions and monuments, but there are pics of regular buildings and offices too.
Hey I can ask the same about NO
Hahaha, ok here goes one more time, form my previous post:
I NEVER said things are great down here... but not everything is a giant sewer like you wrote.
Trust me, 99% of the population down here knows we have many problems. The only point of my post was for you to acknowledge we don't live in the stone age, we have issues, many issues yes... but since you have never been south of Tijuana you know shit about the rest of the country but what google gets for you. Hell, you dated 3 different chicks whose fathers were dealers?! What the fuck is that! I have yet to meet 1 drug dealer here...
I hate to point fingers, but please remind me what country produces most of the toxics gas and trash in the world?
Sure, whatever you want, it's your side of the border. You can dig and place a river where giants sharks with lasers attached to their heads can pulverize immigrants on sight. You are the US, you can do whatever the fuck you want. I gave up some months ago trying to seriously discuss the immigration issue with americans since most don't seem to know these are human beings. Just don't give me that crap that you like Mexican people while saying landmines would be a great idea. If it really makes you feel good at night to think that landmines would be good for illegal immigrants, well more power to you.
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
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