First you say "what does this mean?". Then you overlook your uncertainty and go on to interpret what my opinion actually is, uncertain of what my opinion is. Inaccurately, no less. Oh, and the liberal part is inaccurate too. I'm a person with a wide ranging view point, even within topics--such as this one--meaning I range on both sides of this issue in different ways, which is backed up in many of my posts, if you were to know anything about me. That you are uninterested in understanding what I'm saying tells me a lot about the potential of this line of discussion.
You would save yourself time if you would ask what I mean and wait for clarification from me before revealing your inaccurate assumptions about me. It's pretty clear you want to vent regarding your preconceptions, so have at it. That's not about me, or my opinions as much as you'd like to make it that way.
Assumptions and condescension do not make for legitmate points.
Blah blah blah. No one on this forum is a liberal; I get it already.
And two, you are correct. I'm really not interested in anything anyone says here. It's the same regurgitated topics over and over and over. I just enjoy dropping in from time to time to annoy people like you. A famous man once said, “I don't know what this means. I don't think it means anything.”
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Blah blah blah. No one on this forum is a liberal; I get it already.
You've already shown many people who are reading this how you base your view on false assumptions. And that is beyond those who actually know what I stand behind. Therefore you are revealing only your own prejudice and judgment. Suit yourself.
And two, you are correct. I'm really not interested in anything anyone says here. It's the same regurgitated topics over and over and over. I just enjoy dropping in from time to time to annoy people like you. A famous man once said, “I don't know what this means. I don't think it means anything.”
Condescension, ignorance and the intent to self-sabotage under the guise of "annoying others" doesn't fall on me, until I condescend, ignore and self-sabotage.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Uplifting? Maybe... The Panthers fired offensive coordinator Dan Henning yesterday, which was great. Two missing boys were found alive in MS after their kidnapper was arrested.
LOL Are you really challenging me to find things that are uplifting and positive in America?
wow, you were up to the "challenge"...great job...
You've already shown many people who are reading this how you base your view on false assumptions. And that is beyond those who actually know what I stand behind. Therefore you are revealing only your own prejudice and judgment. Suit yourself.
Condescension, ignorance and the intent to self-sabotage under the guise of "annoying others" doesn't fall on me, until I condescend, ignore and self-sabotage.
Sentimentalities.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
that's 2004 dude. i was talking about 2000, when it was gore against bush. this country would be so much better off today if they'd kept nader off the ballot that year. granted, the dems still ran a poor campaign, but that doesn't mean gore woulda been a poor president. he's certainly better than kerry woulda been and better than bush has been.
But again, it's not right to keep a person off the ballot so the "other guy" may have a better chance. It's just wrong.
Nader was different, he was unlike Bush or Gore, he was a great candidate. that's why he got votes, well even then not that many compared to Bush and Gore. also naders running did'nt sway the election. Florida did.
If Gore wanted Naders votes, he should've taken up the issues nader was taking on, same with kerry, but they refused. How can you blame nader for that, Nader even told them what issues to take on! they ignored him dude.
But I won't argue about how gore would've been better than Bush, but I think america needed Bush, many many more americans now understand more about politics because of that idiot bush, they see how bad the country is now and they educate themselves on the reasons. perhaps for a better future.
But I won't argue about how gore would've been better than Bush, but I think america needed Bush, many many more americans now understand more about politics because of that idiot bush, they see how bad the country is now and they educate themselves on the reasons. perhaps for a better future.
Very....very....optimistic way of looking at things....I like it.....take the smallest grain of positive you can find in a heaping pile of shit.....but at least there is a postive.......
I will tell you what will happen once Castro dies. NOTHING. His brother Raul will take over leadership of the government. No change what so ever. There will be no free elections. Raul is not the tyrant Fidel is so an opportunity for small change does exist, but it cannot be forced upon the country. What really needs to happen is first the US need to lift the embargo. The US needs to open up diplomatic relations with Cuba and hope that through these channels the Cuban government will start to incorporate democracy. Rice's comment is a bit unsettling and not because I don't think that Cuban deserve a democratic government but because it seems that the US wants to impose it's will on Cuba. Cuba has had outside government impose their will on it for far to long. Offer some incentives to the Cuban government to change and then let it make the decisions.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I will tell you what will happen once Castro dies. NOTHING. His brother Raul will take over leadership of the government. No change what so ever. There will be no free elections. Raul is not the tyrant Fidel is so an opportunity for small change does exist, but it cannot be forced upon the country. What really needs to happen is first the US need to lift the embargo. The US needs to open up diplomatic relations with Cuba and hope that through these channels the Cuban government will start to incorporate democracy. Rice's comment is a bit unsettling and not because I don't think that Cuban deserve a democratic government but because it seems that the US wants to impose it's will on Cuba. Cuba has had outside government impose their will on it for far to long. Offer some incentives to the Cuban government to change and then let it make the decisions.
I'm not above having talks with Raul assuming he takes power after Fidel's death. But to suggest we should open up to a country who once agreed to house nuclear weapons aimed at American cities is silly. The leadership has not changed since those times. Their political bearings are still the same. Hell, we let the guy come to Yankee stadium... Shouldn't the ball be on someone elses side of the court for once?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I'm not above having talks with Raul assuming he takes power after Fidel's death. But to suggest we should open up to a country who once agreed to house nuclear weapons aimed at American cities is silly. The leadership has not changed since those times. Their political bearings are still the same. Hell, we let the guy come to Yankee stadium... Shouldn't the ball be on someone elses side of the court for once?
The threat of Soviet Missles in Cuba has come and gone. The Cold War ended almost 2 decades ago. It's time to lay this grudge to bed. Cuba is no longer a threat to our national security so it is time to lift the embargo and open up diplomatic relations with them. If the US government is sincere about seeing democracy take hold in that country this is the first step that needs to be taken.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
The threat of Soviet Missles in Cuba has come and gone. The Cold War ended almost 2 decades ago. It's time to lay this grudge to bed. Cuba is no longer a threat to our national security so it is time to lift the embargo and open up diplomatic relations with them. If the US government is sincere about seeing democracy take hold in that country this is the first step that needs to be taken.
It's open for debate... And I would certainly agree that Cuba isn't a threat militarily to us at the present time. But what happens if Iran becomes a nuclear power and tries to do the same thing to us?
Just me personally, I tend to hold a grudge for a while when a country just 90 miles from our shores tries to make a statement by pointing nukes at us. I'd even venture to say it was a pretty bold statement at that.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
It's open for debate... And I would certainly agree that Cuba isn't a threat militarily to us at the present time. But what happens if Iran becomes a nuclear power and tries to do the same thing to us?
Just me personally, I tend to hold a grudge for a while when a country just 90 miles from our shores tries to make a statement by pointing nukes at us. I'd even venture to say it was a pretty bold statement at that.
Did you ever take into consideration the events that led to said country pointing missles at us.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
No. The Eisenhower administration actually supported Castro's over throw of Batista. When Castro took control of Cuba he had no animosity toward the US. He simply did not want US corporations like United Fruit reaping all the rewards of the hard work of Cuban workers. It wasn't untill Cuban exiles in the US, who made money off of Batista's corruption and expoitation of his own people, starting lobbying in Washington with the help of companies like United Fruit that our government did an about face on it's feelings toward Castro. The relationship between Cuba and the US went sour and the US started engaging in covert hostile actions against the Cuban government. It was at this point that Castro turned to the other superpower to help him. I'm not a huge fan of Castro, my entire family suffered under his rule and several people in my family died because of him, but we instigated hostilities toward him not the other way around.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
No. The Eisenhower administration actually supported Castro's over throw of Batista. When Castro took control of Cuba he had no animosity toward the US. He simply did not want US corporations like United Fruit reaping all the rewards of the hard work of Cuban workers. It wasn't untill Cuban exiles in the US, who made money off of Batista's corruption and expoitation of his own people, starting lobbying in Washington with the help of companies like United Fruit that our government did an about face on it's feelings toward Castro. The relationship between Cuba and the US went sour and the US started engaging in covert hostile actions against the Cuban government. It was at this point that Castro turned to the other superpower to help him. I'm not a huge fan of Castro, my entire family suffered under his rule and several people in my family died because of him, but we instigated hostilities toward him not the other way around.
I know. It's always our fault. That's just something we have to live with.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I know. It's always our fault. That's just something we have to live with.
It's not always our fault but we should take responsibility for the errors we have committed. In our handling of Fidel we made a mistake. We allowed corporations and lobbiest to set our foreign policy. Had we not followed the path we did we could have averted the bay of Pigs invasion, the Cuban Missle Crisis, and the suffering of a lot of Cuban people.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I know. It's always our fault. That's just something we have to live with.
He never really said it was always America's fault. He gave a list of facts on how in this particular case, it WAS America's fault. And your only defense is that "America always gets blamed"?
I know things are bad in Cuba, and yes, democracy is the ultimate goal. But America didn't need any other country to tell them to become a republic - why should Cuba?
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
He never really said it was always America's fault. He gave a list of facts on how in this particular, it WAS America's fault. And your only defense is that "America always gets blamed"?
I know things are bad in Cuba, and yes, democracy is the ultimate goal. But America didn't need any other country to tell them to become a republic - why should Cuba?
Ok. You're right.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I will tell you what will happen once Castro dies. NOTHING. His brother Raul will take over leadership of the government. No change what so ever. There will be no free elections. Raul is not the tyrant Fidel is so an opportunity for small change does exist, but it cannot be forced upon the country. What really needs to happen is first the US need to lift the embargo. The US needs to open up diplomatic relations with Cuba and hope that through these channels the Cuban government will start to incorporate democracy. Rice's comment is a bit unsettling and not because I don't think that Cuban deserve a democratic government but because it seems that the US wants to impose it's will on Cuba. Cuba has had outside government impose their will on it for far to long. Offer some incentives to the Cuban government to change and then let it make the decisions.
there you are, I was hoping you would come around.
I agree with you. cubans should go at their own pace and do what they want with their own country without the US forcing anything. which by insisting they go with democracy, forces nothing, IMO.
let me ask you this....who should extent the olive branch? US or Raul?
as for the cold war being over, your right. but the same regime is still there. both relevant facts.
sad news indeed. Castro is an example of someone who spent the last 40 years standing up to the worlds only remaining superpower. He stuck by his guns and led a life of activism and peace and equality. He will remain a hero for years to come. The hatred this country has for him, I never understood. Big Whoop if he wanted in the late 50's to nationalize Cuba. Big whoop. How the hell does that affect the u.s. And if he wanted to run a socialist state, then why the hell do we care?
He stands and will remain a hero who stood for the oppressed and poor. Someone who cared for the little man. Someone who felt revolution was paramount in society.
The fact remains for all the criticism he gets in the u.s. he provided and still provides free health care to all cubans and free education to all cubans. Anyone who has been to cuba can tell you their aint homeless cubans laying around the main squares and main streets. It aint like it is here in the u.s. Indeed classes still exist in cuba but it is nowhere near as stratified as it is here in the u.s.
The fact remains a bane of the u.s. existence did what the u.s. could not, set up free health care and free schooling, and reduce poverty drastically.
He deserves praise, and its a sad day indeed when a person like Castro dies.
Instead of crappy people like Obama, Kerry, Gore, Biden, Hillary etc... who merely want reform, why limit ourselves to reform? WHy not demand the revolution? Why not radically transform society? Hate to break it to you all, but Dems arent the goddamn answer, they only will reform. We need the revolution, and it needs to occur NOW!
Viva fidel, Viva Che, Viva the Revolucion, and Viva the spirit of activism, dissent, resistance and rage
sad news indeed. Castro is an example of someone who spent the last 40 years standing up to the worlds only remaining superpower. He stuck by his guns and led a life of activism and peace and equality. He will remain a hero for years to come. The hatred this country has for him, I never understood. Big Whoop if he wanted in the late 50's to nationalize Cuba. Big whoop. How the hell does that affect the u.s. And if he wanted to run a socialist state, then why the hell do we care?
He stands and will remain a hero who stood for the oppressed and poor. Someone who cared for the little man. Someone who felt revolution was paramount in society.
The fact remains for all the criticism he gets in the u.s. he provided and still provides free health care to all cubans and free education to all cubans. Anyone who has been to cuba can tell you their aint homeless cubans laying around the main squares and main streets. It aint like it is here in the u.s. Indeed classes still exist in cuba but it is nowhere near as stratified as it is here in the u.s.
The fact remains a bane of the u.s. existence did what the u.s. could not, set up free health care and free schooling, and reduce poverty drastically.
He deserves praise, and its a sad day indeed when a person like Castro dies.
Instead of crappy people like Obama, Kerry, Gore, Biden, Hillary etc... who merely want reform, why limit ourselves to reform? WHy not demand the revolution? Why not radically transform society? Hate to break it to you all, but Dems arent the goddamn answer, they only will reform. We need the revolution, and it needs to occur NOW!
Viva fidel, Viva Che, Viva the Revolucion, and Viva the spirit of activism, dissent, resistance and rage
In the name of Fidel, SET IT OFF, RISE!
Wow. Your screenname is in tribute to Ernesto Guevara I take it? The same man who shot deserters of the revolutionary army himself? Who more often would torture them first?
There ain't no classes in Cuba cause there ain't nobody got no money Ernesto. Everyone suffers equally.
Hope you aren't serious about your little rant. If someone from the government wishes to take you seriously, you've just committed treason. Of course, I would have already been dead if I would have felt the same way about your beloved Ernesto.
You're a whacko. Learn it, love it.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
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Blah blah blah. No one on this forum is a liberal; I get it already.
And two, you are correct. I'm really not interested in anything anyone says here. It's the same regurgitated topics over and over and over. I just enjoy dropping in from time to time to annoy people like you. A famous man once said, “I don't know what this means. I don't think it means anything.”
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
what, if anything, will happen when Castro dies??
Condescension, ignorance and the intent to self-sabotage under the guise of "annoying others" doesn't fall on me, until I condescend, ignore and self-sabotage.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
That's easy. The Yankees will get their pitching. Given he croaks before camp opens.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
are you saying you have a hard time keeping toilet paper stocked in your trailer...I guess that is good news...
I think...
wow, you were up to the "challenge"...great job...
I guess it would be cool....if you were under the age of 12...or if your name is Corky...
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Sentimentalities.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Please refer to angelica's post about false assumptions.
I lied about the go-cart track, though your effort is appreciated.
Hey! We're both Libras!
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
um, you lie and then scold me about false assumptions...
interesting...
No. You're trailer remark. I'm crying.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
But again, it's not right to keep a person off the ballot so the "other guy" may have a better chance. It's just wrong.
Nader was different, he was unlike Bush or Gore, he was a great candidate. that's why he got votes, well even then not that many compared to Bush and Gore. also naders running did'nt sway the election. Florida did.
If Gore wanted Naders votes, he should've taken up the issues nader was taking on, same with kerry, but they refused. How can you blame nader for that, Nader even told them what issues to take on! they ignored him dude.
But I won't argue about how gore would've been better than Bush, but I think america needed Bush, many many more americans now understand more about politics because of that idiot bush, they see how bad the country is now and they educate themselves on the reasons. perhaps for a better future.
Very....very....optimistic way of looking at things....I like it.....take the smallest grain of positive you can find in a heaping pile of shit.....but at least there is a postive.......
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
I'm not above having talks with Raul assuming he takes power after Fidel's death. But to suggest we should open up to a country who once agreed to house nuclear weapons aimed at American cities is silly. The leadership has not changed since those times. Their political bearings are still the same. Hell, we let the guy come to Yankee stadium... Shouldn't the ball be on someone elses side of the court for once?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
The threat of Soviet Missles in Cuba has come and gone. The Cold War ended almost 2 decades ago. It's time to lay this grudge to bed. Cuba is no longer a threat to our national security so it is time to lift the embargo and open up diplomatic relations with them. If the US government is sincere about seeing democracy take hold in that country this is the first step that needs to be taken.
It's open for debate... And I would certainly agree that Cuba isn't a threat militarily to us at the present time. But what happens if Iran becomes a nuclear power and tries to do the same thing to us?
Just me personally, I tend to hold a grudge for a while when a country just 90 miles from our shores tries to make a statement by pointing nukes at us. I'd even venture to say it was a pretty bold statement at that.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Did you ever take into consideration the events that led to said country pointing missles at us.
Yep. You reap what you sow. So what?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
No. The Eisenhower administration actually supported Castro's over throw of Batista. When Castro took control of Cuba he had no animosity toward the US. He simply did not want US corporations like United Fruit reaping all the rewards of the hard work of Cuban workers. It wasn't untill Cuban exiles in the US, who made money off of Batista's corruption and expoitation of his own people, starting lobbying in Washington with the help of companies like United Fruit that our government did an about face on it's feelings toward Castro. The relationship between Cuba and the US went sour and the US started engaging in covert hostile actions against the Cuban government. It was at this point that Castro turned to the other superpower to help him. I'm not a huge fan of Castro, my entire family suffered under his rule and several people in my family died because of him, but we instigated hostilities toward him not the other way around.
I know. It's always our fault. That's just something we have to live with.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
It's not always our fault but we should take responsibility for the errors we have committed. In our handling of Fidel we made a mistake. We allowed corporations and lobbiest to set our foreign policy. Had we not followed the path we did we could have averted the bay of Pigs invasion, the Cuban Missle Crisis, and the suffering of a lot of Cuban people.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070117/ts_nm/cuba_castro_doctors_dc_1
That must've been the first botched surgery world-wide. I've never heard of such things!
Miami? We all know how horrible the medical care in this country is.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
He never really said it was always America's fault. He gave a list of facts on how in this particular case, it WAS America's fault. And your only defense is that "America always gets blamed"?
I know things are bad in Cuba, and yes, democracy is the ultimate goal. But America didn't need any other country to tell them to become a republic - why should Cuba?
Ok. You're right.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Damn straight.:D
there you are, I was hoping you would come around.
I agree with you. cubans should go at their own pace and do what they want with their own country without the US forcing anything. which by insisting they go with democracy, forces nothing, IMO.
let me ask you this....who should extent the olive branch? US or Raul?
as for the cold war being over, your right. but the same regime is still there. both relevant facts.
I hope things change for the better, soon
He stands and will remain a hero who stood for the oppressed and poor. Someone who cared for the little man. Someone who felt revolution was paramount in society.
The fact remains for all the criticism he gets in the u.s. he provided and still provides free health care to all cubans and free education to all cubans. Anyone who has been to cuba can tell you their aint homeless cubans laying around the main squares and main streets. It aint like it is here in the u.s. Indeed classes still exist in cuba but it is nowhere near as stratified as it is here in the u.s.
The fact remains a bane of the u.s. existence did what the u.s. could not, set up free health care and free schooling, and reduce poverty drastically.
He deserves praise, and its a sad day indeed when a person like Castro dies.
Instead of crappy people like Obama, Kerry, Gore, Biden, Hillary etc... who merely want reform, why limit ourselves to reform? WHy not demand the revolution? Why not radically transform society? Hate to break it to you all, but Dems arent the goddamn answer, they only will reform. We need the revolution, and it needs to occur NOW!
Viva fidel, Viva Che, Viva the Revolucion, and Viva the spirit of activism, dissent, resistance and rage
In the name of Fidel, SET IT OFF, RISE!
Wow. Your screenname is in tribute to Ernesto Guevara I take it? The same man who shot deserters of the revolutionary army himself? Who more often would torture them first?
There ain't no classes in Cuba cause there ain't nobody got no money Ernesto. Everyone suffers equally.
Hope you aren't serious about your little rant. If someone from the government wishes to take you seriously, you've just committed treason. Of course, I would have already been dead if I would have felt the same way about your beloved Ernesto.
You're a whacko. Learn it, love it.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08