Castro reportedly in 'grave' condition

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

FREEDOM??????????? Freedom to shit on the world? Cos I don't know what other kinda freedom you're talking about. Cuba has a a better literacy and infant mortality rate than that of the U.S... what's wrong with that picture?

yes freedom. free to make their own choices.

here we go again with people making shit up. better literacy rate? actually is close but not better.

Cubans can read!! thats great. how proud you must be.

college rate is 81% compared to 13% in cuba. awesome.


Education — back to the basics?

1. Cubans spend less time at school. Just 81% of the potential population is enrolled in secondary school — compared to 97% in the United States. Enrollment in "tertiary" institutions like colleges and universities is just 15% of the rate in the United States.

2. However, the literacy rate in Cuba is only one percent lower than in the United States. And even though Cuba is a much poorer country, classes are smaller.

3. On average, there are four to five fewer pupils per teacher in both primary and secondary schools in Cuba.

Basic Education Statistics
USA Cuba Leader?
Literacy
General literacy rate 97% 96% =
Access and participation
School life expectancy (years) 16.0 11.3 USA
Secondary school enrollment 97% 81% USA
College-level enrollment 81% 13% USA
Resources
Primary school student-teacher ratio 16 12 Cuba
Secondary school student-teacher ratio 15 10 Cuba
Public expenditures (% GDP) 5.4 6.7 Cuba
Public expenditures (% gov. budget) 14.4 12.6 USA

infant mortality rates? cuba is doing great. how this would change with a freely elected government is beyond me.

http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2002/000019.html

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

Yes and yes... thankfully not as bad as America though, we don't have McDonalds and coke vending machines in schools :eek: . I don't know many people who are HAPPY about it being a corporation minefield though... why would a country WANT that?

corporation minefield. such a funny phrase. newsflash for you, you arent from america so its very easy for you to make shit up.

mcdonalds arent in schools. coke machines and all soda has been taken out of schools thanks to bill clinton.

wake up, corporations dont run america. americans do and we are the most powerful wealthiest country in the world. we are doing just fine

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

yes freedom. free to make their own choices.

here we go again with people making shit up. better literacy rate? actually is close but not better.

Cubans can read!! thats great. how proud you must be.

college rate is 81% compared to 13% in cuba. awesome.


Education — back to the basics?

1. Cubans spend less time at school. Just 81% of the potential population is enrolled in secondary school — compared to 97% in the United States. Enrollment in "tertiary" institutions like colleges and universities is just 15% of the rate in the United States.

2. However, the literacy rate in Cuba is only one percent lower than in the United States. And even though Cuba is a much poorer country, classes are smaller.

3. On average, there are four to five fewer pupils per teacher in both primary and secondary schools in Cuba.

Basic Education Statistics
USA Cuba Leader?
Literacy
General literacy rate 97% 96% =
Access and participation
School life expectancy (years) 16.0 11.3 USA
Secondary school enrollment 97% 81% USA
College-level enrollment 81% 13% USA
Resources
Primary school student-teacher ratio 16 12 Cuba
Secondary school student-teacher ratio 15 10 Cuba
Public expenditures (% GDP) 5.4 6.7 Cuba
Public expenditures (% gov. budget) 14.4 12.6 USA

infant mortality rates? cuba is doing great. how this would change with a freely elected government is beyond me.

http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2002/000019.html

where did I say anything about the rest? Literacy is over 97% in Cuba! Are there any homeless and starving people? What's wrong with sharing some of the wealth???

dunkman

jlew24asu wrote:

corporation minefield. such a funny phrase. newsflash for you, you arent from america so its very easy for you to make shit up.

mcdonalds arent in schools. coke machines and all soda has been taken out of schools thanks to bill clinton.

wake up, corporations dont run america. americans do and we are the most powerful wealthiest country in the world. we are doing just fine

seriously... that bit in bold gave me a stiffy

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

where did I say anything about the rest? Literacy is over 97% in Cuba! Are there any homeless and starving people? What's wrong with sharing some of the wealth???

cubans can read. but they dont go to college. thats good not great. its always bad when the government tell you what you can and cant do. you would agree right??

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

corporation minefield. such a funny phrase. newsflash for you, you arent from america so its very easy for you to make shit up.

mcdonalds arent in schools. coke machines and all soda has been taken out of schools thanks to bill clinton.

wake up, corporations dont run america. americans do and we are the most powerful wealthiest country in the world. we are doing just fine

Do a google search on 'richest countries in the world'. I don't see the US in first place on ANY but maybe I'm wrong... wow, we even beat yas on this one:



http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-nominal-per-capita

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries

http://www.aneki.com/richest.html

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-richest-countries-map.html

NCfan

jlew24asu wrote:

yes freedom. free to make their own choices.

here we go again with people making shit up. better literacy rate? actually is close but not better.

Cubans can read!! thats great. how proud you must be.

college rate is 81% compared to 13% in cuba. awesome.


Education — back to the basics?

1. Cubans spend less time at school. Just 81% of the potential population is enrolled in secondary school — compared to 97% in the United States. Enrollment in "tertiary" institutions like colleges and universities is just 15% of the rate in the United States.

2. However, the literacy rate in Cuba is only one percent lower than in the United States. And even though Cuba is a much poorer country, classes are smaller.

3. On average, there are four to five fewer pupils per teacher in both primary and secondary schools in Cuba.

Basic Education Statistics
USA Cuba Leader?
Literacy
General literacy rate 97% 96% =
Access and participation
School life expectancy (years) 16.0 11.3 USA
Secondary school enrollment 97% 81% USA
College-level enrollment 81% 13% USA
Resources
Primary school student-teacher ratio 16 12 Cuba
Secondary school student-teacher ratio 15 10 Cuba
Public expenditures (% GDP) 5.4 6.7 Cuba
Public expenditures (% gov. budget) 14.4 12.6 USA

infant mortality rates? cuba is doing great. how this would change with a freely elected government is beyond me.

http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2002/000019.html

Aren't you being silly though? You're just seeing the world through your own "American" eyes.... Freedom for an individual to make their own choices isn't important to other people. That is only an American thing, and how dare we insist that other people have something they don't want...

NCfan

Heineken Helen wrote:

Yes and yes... thankfully not as bad as America though, we don't have McDonalds and coke vending machines in schools :eek: . I don't know many people who are HAPPY about it being a corporation minefield though... why would a country WANT that?

Aren't you just judging us based on your own values???

inmytree

he he...a debate on "freedom" and how the US of A is the best...EVER...

I love it...

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

cubans can read. but they dont go to college. thats good not great. its always bad when the government tell you what you can and cant do. you would agree right??

but what about those 13% you listed? They're allowed go to college! Besides, what about in America? You're not allowed go if you can't afford it!

TheVoiceInside

you guys want to know what Cuba will look like after Castro is dead and it is opened up just come to Puerto Rico and you will see. This once buetifull island paradise now is overpopulated, filled with shopping malls, fast food restaurants on every corner, a paternal goverment which doest really have any power, curroption, a vast drug problem, one of the highest crime rates in the US, a depeleted educational system, a crumblim healthcare system and so on and so on... but you turist never see that because all you care about is that there is a Ritz carlton and a nice beach. and dont give a fuck about the place, its people and its culture.

Im not saying that I preferr communism and a dictator but your vision of American freedom is only a reality to most americans in the US. Its not that bad but the exported version of American democracy is junk and it only serves the american goverment and no one else.

It is very condecending to think that only Americans are capable of creating a decent democracy. That is your main problem, you think that people in places like south america, the middle east and other places are incapable of doing such effective things and if they havent done them before its because there was always an alien influence keeping people down.

Heineken Helen

NCfan wrote:

Aren't you just judging us based on your own values???

Yep... see two can play at THAT game! You reckon you're the best country in the world and everyone should be like you. I reckon you're not and each country should keep their OWN national identity.

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-countries-have-the-highest-gdp.htm

Heineken Helen

TheVoiceInside wrote:

you guys want to know what Cuba will look like after Castro is dead and it is opened up just come to Puerto Rico and you will see. This once buetifull island paradise now is overpopulated, filled with shopping malls, fast food restaurants on every corner, a paternal goverment which doest really have any power, curroption, a vast drug problem, one of the highest crime rates in the US, a depeleted educational system, a crumblim healthcare system and so on and so on... but you turist never see that because all you care about is that there is a Ritz carlton and a nice beach. and dont give a fuck about the place, its people and its culture.

Im not saying that I preferr communism and a dictator but your vision of American freedom is only a reality to most americans in the US. Its not that bad but the exported version of American democracy is junk and it only serves the american goverment and no one else.

It is very condecending to think that only Americans are capable of creating a decent democracy. That is your main problem, you think that people in places like south america, the middle east and other places are incapable of doing such effective things and if they havent done them before its because there was always an alien influence keeping people down.

Very nicely put... you worded it so much better than I ever could.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Do a google search on 'richest countries in the world'. I don't see the US in first place on ANY but maybe I'm wrong... wow, we even beat yas on this one:



http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-nominal-per-capita

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries

http://www.aneki.com/richest.html

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-richest-countries-map.html

to be fair that is per capita... i think he means in terms of actual wealth... which it cant be denied that America is the wealthiest country in the worlds

i.e. Luxembourg couldnt buy a $600 Billion fleet of aircaft could they?

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-countries-have-the-highest-gdp.htm

Ah, I get it! Individual wealth doesn't matter? Nice American attitude there. America has more millionnaires than any other country and probably one of the biggest divides between rich and poor than any nation in the western world... I'm sure that's the kinda 'freedom' those poor ignorant uneducated Cubans want :rolleyes:

redrock

TheVoiceInside wrote:

you guys want to know what Cuba will look like after Castro is dead and it is opened up just come to Puerto Rico and you will see. This once buetifull island paradise now is overpopulated, filled with shopping malls, fast food restaurants on every corner, a paternal goverment which doest really have any power, curroption, a vast drug problem, one of the highest crime rates in the US, a depeleted educational system, a crumblim healthcare system and so on and so on... but you turist never see that because all you care about is that there is a Ritz carlton and a nice beach. and dont give a fuck about the place, its people and its culture.

Im not saying that I preferr communism and a dictator but your vision of American freedom is only a reality to most americans in the US. Its not that bad but the exported version of American democracy is junk and it only serves the american goverment and no one else.

It is very condecending to think that only Americans are capable of creating a decent democracy. That is your main problem, you think that people in places like south america, the middle east and other places are incapable of doing such effective things and if they havent done them before its because there was always an alien influence keeping people down.

From the horse's mouth....

redrock

Heineken Helen wrote:

Besides, what about in America? You're not allowed go if you can't afford it!

Heathcare is the same.. can't get decent healthcare in the US if you can't afford it.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

become like americans? you mean free? free to choose who they want as a leader? free to say and do whatever they want?

what a bitch

i dont think our government much gives a shit if they're free to choose leaders. what's important is whether or not they are free markets for american capitalism. what that costs the people is irrelevant. if they can buy mcdonald's, the us wont mind if their leader is eternal dictator and chopping off heads left and right.

angelica

NCfan wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Yes and yes... thankfully not as bad as America though, we don't have McDonalds and coke vending machines in schools . I don't know many people who are HAPPY about it being a corporation minefield though... why would a country WANT that?

Aren't you just judging us based on your own values???

I think we've already established that its OKAY to judge others based on one's own standards, as long as we don't force our ways on them because once we do so then we are contradicting our own idea of freedom. Do you agree with this or not, NCfan? Do you recognize the actual hypocrisy of imposing ways on others, through war or otherwise?