Castro reportedly in 'grave' condition

jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
What will happen when Castro dies? will things change? how is his brother?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070116/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/spain_cuba_castro


MADRID, Spain - Ailing Cuban leader
Fidel Castro has had at least three failed operations and complications from an intestinal infection and faces "a very grave prognosis," a Spanish newspaper reported Tuesday.
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A Cuban diplomat in Madrid said the reports were lies and declined to comment.

"It's another lie and we are not going to talk about it. If anyone has to talk about Castro's illness it's Havana," the diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of official policy.

The newspaper El Pais cited two unnamed sources from the Gregorio Maranon hospital in the Spanish capital of Madrid. The facility employs surgeon Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, who flew to Cuba in December to treat the 80-year-old Castro.

In a report published on its Web site, El Pais said: "A grave infection in the large intestine, at least three failed operations and various complications have left the Cuban dictator, Fidel Castro, laid up with a very grave prognosis."

Cuba has released little information on Castro's condition since he temporarily ceded power in July to his brother, Defense Minister Raul Castro, until he could recover from emergency intestinal surgery, prompting much speculation and rumor in the country and around the world.

El Pais' report, which could not immediately be confirmed, was a rare detailed description from a major media outlet about Castro's condition.

The U.S. government had speculated that Castro could suffer from cancer — a supposition denied by Sabrido. Some U.S. doctors believed Castro was suffering from diverticular disease, which can cause bleeding in the lower intestine, especially in people over 60. In severe cases, emergency surgery may be required.

That idea was supported by El Pais, which reported that its sources said Castro had suffered a bout of the disease.

"In the summer, the Cuban leader bled abundantly in the intestine," El Pais reported. "This adversity led him to the operating table, according to the medical sources. His condition, moreover, was aggravated because the infection spread and caused peritonitis, the inflammation of the membrane that covers the digestive organs."

The recovery from the first operation, in which part of his large intestine was extracted and the colon was connected to the rectum, did not go well. The link broke and he released feces into the abdomen that caused another peritonitis, the report said.

A second operation to clean and drain the infected area also failed, the paper said. He was then hit with inflammation of the bile duct, an illness which has a 80 percent mortality rate, el Pais said. A prothesis made in
South Korea was implanted and failed and later was replaced with one made in Spain.

El Pais said that in December, when Garcia Sabrido visited, Castro had an abdominal wound that was leaking more than a pint of fluids a day, causing "'a severe loss of nutrients." The Cuban leader was being fed intravenously, the report said.

Garcia Sabrido was not reachable at his home or at the Madrid hospital where he works as the chief surgeon. His secretary at his office said he was not planning to comment.

A statement attributed to Castro was released on New Year's Eve saying his recovery was "far from being a lost battle."

Cuban officials told visiting U.S. lawmakers last month that Castro does not have cancer or a terminal illness and will eventually return to public life, although it was not clear whether he would return to the same kind of absolute control as before.
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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    The newspaper El Pais cited two unnamed sources from the Gregorio Maranon hospital in the Spanish capital of Madrid. The facility employs surgeon Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, who flew to Cuba in December to treat the 80-year-old Castro.


    Garcia Sabrido was not reachable at his home or at the Madrid hospital where he works as the chief surgeon. His secretary at his office said he was not planning to comment.

    It all sounds quite vague and suspect to me... I'm sure it will all be kept quiet until need be anyway... the world doesn't really NEED to know, does it? Should be interesting to see how quickly the US will have an involvement when he DOES die.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    It all sounds quite vague and suspect to me... I'm sure it will all be kept quiet until need be anyway
    well of course cuba will deny anything that comes out. no surprise there, but its not too far of a stretch to believe castro is near death.
    ..
    the world doesn't really NEED to know, does it?
    he has been a dictator for 50 years of the largest Caribbean island. he is near death and you want to know why the world needs to know?
    Should be interesting to see how quickly the US will have an involvement when he DOES die.
    what do you mean? interesting how? I'm hoping raul and bush become pals and lift the embargo. I would love to go down there for vacation
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    It all sounds quite vague and suspect to me... I'm sure it will all be kept quiet until need be anyway... the world doesn't really NEED to know, does it? Should be interesting to see how quickly the US will have an involvement when he DOES die.

    A little snippet from a news article: "'Well Condoleezza Rice said if there is ever a transition in Cuba, then it is the goal of the US to insist the people of Cuba make a choice and hold democratic elections." Pushy, pushy again.....

    What will happen is anyone's guess - a couple of options discussed here http://www.guardian.co.uk/cuba/story/0,,1835341,00.html
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    redrock wrote:
    A little snippet from a news article: "'Well Condoleezza Rice said if there is ever a transition in Cuba, then it is the goal of the US to insist the people of Cuba make a choice and hold democratic elections." Pushy, pushy again.....


    how dare condoleezza promote democratic free elections. that bitch
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how dare condoleezza promote democratic free elections. that bitch

    It's not the promoting, it's the 'insisting'.. like 'insisting' on a western (american) type democracy in the middle east... this will be 'insisting' cubans 'become' like americans... Then, America may not be happy with the result of the election and all will start again... Yet again....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    redrock wrote:
    It's not the promoting, it's the 'insisting'.. like 'insisting' on a western (american) type democracy in the middle east... this will be 'insisting' cubans 'become' like americans... Yet again....
    become like americans? you mean free? free to choose who they want as a leader? free to say and do whatever they want?

    what a bitch
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    well of course cuba will deny anything that comes out. no surprise there, but its not too far of a stretch to believe castro is near death.

    No, it's not... I just don't see the big deal and how it concerns the rest of the world.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he has been a dictator for 50 years of the largest Caribbean island. he is near death and you want to know why the world needs to know?

    Yep! Can you explain to me please?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what do you mean? interesting how? I'm hoping raul and bush become pals and lift the embargo. I would love to go down there for vacation
    I bet you are... and where will you stay? The Hilton? And where will you eat? McDonalds? Will you hire a Ford while you're over there? If you want to go to CUBA... now's the time!
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    become like americans? you mean free? free to choose who they want as a leader? free to say and do whatever they want?

    what a bitch
    Isn't that just YOUR opinion though? Do you really think everyone wants to live in the corporation minefield that's America? Yeh, things in Cuba may not be perfect but they're not in America either. Not everyone wants your way of life, why can't you understand that?
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    No, it's not... I just don't see the big deal and how it concerns the rest of the world.

    Yep! Can you explain to me please?

    like I said, he has been the dictator since 1959. with him gone Cuba might be able to become a free country, the US embargo might get dropped. if you dont see that being a big deal then I dont know what to tell you.

    I bet you are... and where will you stay? The Hilton?
    that would be nice, but I prefer something more trendy like a four seasons or ritz carlton but thats just me.
    And where will you eat? McDonalds?
    fuck no, I hate that shit. very unhealthy
    Will you hire a Ford while you're over there?
    hire a ford? not sure what you mean. but nice try. i see what you are trying to do and somehow you think american money in cuba is a bad thing
    If you want to go to CUBA... now's the time!

    now? i'm not allowed to go. there is an embargo. plus the country is dirt poor. it has nothing to offer me. no thanks. i'll go if and when its a free country and they are more developed
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Isn't that just YOUR opinion though? Do you really think everyone wants to live in the corporation minefield that's America? Yeh, things in Cuba may not be perfect but they're not in America either. Not everyone wants your way of life, why can't you understand that?

    not everyone wants freedom? I'm being so naive I know. whats wrong with me
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    become like americans? you mean free? free to choose who they want as a leader? free to say and do whatever they want?

    what a bitch

    Just being bombarded by the usual americana that comes with their 'insistance' for certain outcomes (the outcome that suits them). What would happen if after the elections, Castro's legacy has the upper hand? The US would be as pleased as seeing Chavez in Venezuela and Ortega back in power in Nicaragua....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    redrock wrote:
    Just being bombarded by the usual americana that comes with their 'insistance' for certain outcomes (the outcome that suits them). What would happen if after the elections, Castro's legacy has the upper hand? The US would be as pleased as seeing Chavez in Venezuela and Ortega back in power in Nicaragua....

    if the cuban people want another dictator to tell them what to say and do for the next 50 years, so be it. i'll vacation in the bahamas
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    now? i'm not allowed to go. there is an embargo. plus the country is dirt poor. it has nothing to offer me. no thanks. i'll go if and when its a free country and they are more developed

    Shame your country doesn't allow you the freedom to visit a neigbouring country. My passport lets me travel anywhere I want. It may be poor but it is beautiful and people and extremely friendly. They have LOADS to offer.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    like I said, he has been the dictator since 1959. with him gone Cuba might be able to become a free country, the US embargo might get dropped. if you dont see that being a big deal then I dont know what to tell you.

    Ahhh... ya mean 'free' as in 'part of America'??? Where they're NOT entitled to free education and excellent healthcare? I'm just sitting here shaking my head... there's no getting through to some people, is there?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that would be nice, but I prefer something more trendy like a four seasons or ritz carlton but thats just me.

    Oh, I'm sure you'll get it too :( sadly.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    fuck no, I hate that shit. very unhealthy

    Ok... burger king then ;)
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hire a ford? not sure what you mean. but nice try. i see what you are trying to do and somehow you think american money in cuba is a bad thing

    Not talking about American money, I'm talking about Cuba becoming PART of America. I'm sure it's a stunning country and all those greedy chains just can't wait to go in there and ruin it.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    now? i'm not allowed to go. there is an embargo. plus the country is dirt poor. it has nothing to offer me. no thanks. i'll go if and when its a free country and they are more developed

    I'm sure they can't wait for you to visit :rolleyes:
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
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    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    not everyone wants freedom? I'm being so naive I know. whats wrong with me
    FREEDOM??????????? Freedom to shit on the world? Cos I don't know what other kinda freedom you're talking about. Cuba has a a better literacy and infant mortality rate than that of the U.S... what's wrong with that picture?
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Isn't that just YOUR opinion though? Do you really think everyone wants to live in the corporation minefield that's America? Yeh, things in Cuba may not be perfect but they're not in America either. Not everyone wants your way of life, why can't you understand that?

    Do you live in a Democracy??? Do you live in a corporation minefield????
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    NCfan wrote:
    Do you live in a Democracy??? Do you live in a corporation minefield????

    13 words and 7 question marks... thats what i call questioning :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahhh... ya mean 'free' as in 'part of America'??? Where they're NOT entitled to free education and excellent healthcare? I'm just sitting here shaking my head... there's no getting through to some people, is there?

    please help me see the light.
  • NCfan wrote:
    Do you live in a Democracy??? Do you live in a corporation minefield????
    Yes and yes... thankfully not as bad as America though, we don't have McDonalds and coke vending machines in schools :eek: . I don't know many people who are HAPPY about it being a corporation minefield though... why would a country WANT that?
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    please help me see the light.
    I'm afraid you seem doomed to eternal darkness J :(
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FREEDOM??????????? Freedom to shit on the world? Cos I don't know what other kinda freedom you're talking about. Cuba has a a better literacy and infant mortality rate than that of the U.S... what's wrong with that picture?


    yes freedom. free to make their own choices.

    here we go again with people making shit up. better literacy rate? actually is close but not better.

    Cubans can read!! thats great. how proud you must be.

    college rate is 81% compared to 13% in cuba. awesome.


    Education — back to the basics?

    1. Cubans spend less time at school. Just 81% of the potential population is enrolled in secondary school — compared to 97% in the United States. Enrollment in "tertiary" institutions like colleges and universities is just 15% of the rate in the United States.

    2. However, the literacy rate in Cuba is only one percent lower than in the United States. And even though Cuba is a much poorer country, classes are smaller.

    3. On average, there are four to five fewer pupils per teacher in both primary and secondary schools in Cuba.

    Basic Education Statistics
    USA Cuba Leader?
    Literacy
    General literacy rate 97% 96% =
    Access and participation
    School life expectancy (years) 16.0 11.3 USA
    Secondary school enrollment 97% 81% USA
    College-level enrollment 81% 13% USA
    Resources
    Primary school student-teacher ratio 16 12 Cuba
    Secondary school student-teacher ratio 15 10 Cuba
    Public expenditures (% GDP) 5.4 6.7 Cuba
    Public expenditures (% gov. budget) 14.4 12.6 USA

    infant mortality rates? cuba is doing great. how this would change with a freely elected government is beyond me.

    http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2002/000019.html
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Yes and yes... thankfully not as bad as America though, we don't have McDonalds and coke vending machines in schools :eek: . I don't know many people who are HAPPY about it being a corporation minefield though... why would a country WANT that?

    corporation minefield. such a funny phrase. newsflash for you, you arent from america so its very easy for you to make shit up.

    mcdonalds arent in schools. coke machines and all soda has been taken out of schools thanks to bill clinton.

    wake up, corporations dont run america. americans do and we are the most powerful wealthiest country in the world. we are doing just fine
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    yes freedom. free to make their own choices.

    here we go again with people making shit up. better literacy rate? actually is close but not better.

    Cubans can read!! thats great. how proud you must be.

    college rate is 81% compared to 13% in cuba. awesome.


    Education — back to the basics?

    1. Cubans spend less time at school. Just 81% of the potential population is enrolled in secondary school — compared to 97% in the United States. Enrollment in "tertiary" institutions like colleges and universities is just 15% of the rate in the United States.

    2. However, the literacy rate in Cuba is only one percent lower than in the United States. And even though Cuba is a much poorer country, classes are smaller.

    3. On average, there are four to five fewer pupils per teacher in both primary and secondary schools in Cuba.

    Basic Education Statistics
    USA Cuba Leader?
    Literacy
    General literacy rate 97% 96% =
    Access and participation
    School life expectancy (years) 16.0 11.3 USA
    Secondary school enrollment 97% 81% USA
    College-level enrollment 81% 13% USA
    Resources
    Primary school student-teacher ratio 16 12 Cuba
    Secondary school student-teacher ratio 15 10 Cuba
    Public expenditures (% GDP) 5.4 6.7 Cuba
    Public expenditures (% gov. budget) 14.4 12.6 USA

    infant mortality rates? cuba is doing great. how this would change with a freely elected government is beyond me.

    http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2002/000019.html
    where did I say anything about the rest? Literacy is over 97% in Cuba! Are there any homeless and starving people? What's wrong with sharing some of the wealth???
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    corporation minefield. such a funny phrase. newsflash for you, you arent from america so its very easy for you to make shit up.

    mcdonalds arent in schools. coke machines and all soda has been taken out of schools thanks to bill clinton.

    wake up, corporations dont run america. americans do and we are the most powerful wealthiest country in the world. we are doing just fine


    seriously... that bit in bold gave me a stiffy :o
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    where did I say anything about the rest? Literacy is over 97% in Cuba! Are there any homeless and starving people? What's wrong with sharing some of the wealth???

    cubans can read. but they dont go to college. thats good not great. its always bad when the government tell you what you can and cant do. you would agree right??
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    corporation minefield. such a funny phrase. newsflash for you, you arent from america so its very easy for you to make shit up.

    mcdonalds arent in schools. coke machines and all soda has been taken out of schools thanks to bill clinton.

    wake up, corporations dont run america. americans do and we are the most powerful wealthiest country in the world. we are doing just fine
    :confused:

    Do a google search on 'richest countries in the world'. I don't see the US in first place on ANY :confused: but maybe I'm wrong... wow, we even beat yas on this one:



    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-nominal-per-capita

    http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries

    http://www.aneki.com/richest.html

    http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-richest-countries-map.html
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes freedom. free to make their own choices.

    here we go again with people making shit up. better literacy rate? actually is close but not better.

    Cubans can read!! thats great. how proud you must be.

    college rate is 81% compared to 13% in cuba. awesome.


    Education — back to the basics?

    1. Cubans spend less time at school. Just 81% of the potential population is enrolled in secondary school — compared to 97% in the United States. Enrollment in "tertiary" institutions like colleges and universities is just 15% of the rate in the United States.

    2. However, the literacy rate in Cuba is only one percent lower than in the United States. And even though Cuba is a much poorer country, classes are smaller.

    3. On average, there are four to five fewer pupils per teacher in both primary and secondary schools in Cuba.

    Basic Education Statistics
    USA Cuba Leader?
    Literacy
    General literacy rate 97% 96% =
    Access and participation
    School life expectancy (years) 16.0 11.3 USA
    Secondary school enrollment 97% 81% USA
    College-level enrollment 81% 13% USA
    Resources
    Primary school student-teacher ratio 16 12 Cuba
    Secondary school student-teacher ratio 15 10 Cuba
    Public expenditures (% GDP) 5.4 6.7 Cuba
    Public expenditures (% gov. budget) 14.4 12.6 USA

    infant mortality rates? cuba is doing great. how this would change with a freely elected government is beyond me.

    http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2002/000019.html

    Aren't you being silly though? You're just seeing the world through your own "American" eyes.... Freedom for an individual to make their own choices isn't important to other people. That is only an American thing, and how dare we insist that other people have something they don't want...
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Yes and yes... thankfully not as bad as America though, we don't have McDonalds and coke vending machines in schools :eek: . I don't know many people who are HAPPY about it being a corporation minefield though... why would a country WANT that?

    Aren't you just judging us based on your own values???
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    he he...a debate on "freedom" and how the US of A is the best...EVER...

    I love it...
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    cubans can read. but they dont go to college. thats good not great. its always bad when the government tell you what you can and cant do. you would agree right??
    :confused: but what about those 13% you listed? They're allowed go to college! Besides, what about in America? You're not allowed go if you can't afford it!
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
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