Reparations (monetary compensation to slave ancestors)

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    But is it fair to punish the tax payers living today for what there ancestors did when things were totally acceptable...and like-wise its nice to argue...nicely...:)

    How would this be punishing the taxpayers. You're paying taxes anyway, and the government is spending it how they see fit. Right now I'm paying for a fucking war I don't endorse! I'm paying for ten thousand dollar whitehouse toilet seats! The point is your being taxed regardless. It is the government that would have to reassign where tax money is going. No extra skin off your back.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    cornnifer wrote:
    different opinions are great. They make the world, and this board go 'round. No for more of mine... :)

    Those Africans selling their countrymen to American slave traders cannot really be held accountable. We can't really engage in the playground game of "Johnny was throwing sand too! Why doesn't he get detention"? Besides It is The United States that is ultimately responsible for the horror, and It is the United States that grew into the wealthiest country on earth due to the blood, sweat and tears of hundreds of years of completely uncompensated slave labor.

    fair enough, how bout my idea of repaying them the wages from the time of slavery...would that satisfy? Again, I don't think we'll agree on this but that's ok...i just figured I'd come up with something that could be somewhat satisfactory to me, if by some freak chance reparations were granted. If we're gonna put the work in to find the correct slave descendants we should find the correct slave holders and charge them. Don't put the burden on everyone. there were 350,000 slave holders estimated in the US history...if you can find the slave descendants and the slave holders let all of them go to court and work it out :) and I'm out for tonite...gotta finish moving.
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  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    Honestly, I'd say no. Those people who'd be getting it would be basically getting a hand out. It'd be like welfare in a way. Plus how would one determine the amount owed? And if multiple people alive were related to one slave, how would it be split or who would get it?
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    cornnifer wrote:
    How would this be punishing the taxpayers. You're paying taxes anyway, and the government is spending it how they see fit. Right now I'm paying for a fucking war I don't endorse! I'm paying for ten thousand dollar whitehouse toilet seats! The point is your being taxed regardless. It is the government that would have to reassign where tax money is going. No extra skin off your back.


    Im Canadian my money funds a pointless war in Afganistan as well...but I dont want to discuss tax law...that is simply not my point...Im saying that by treading into those waters you will get more groups who say they were alienated somewhat in the past and they want money...don't believe me look at your litagation situation in the States, everyone sues everyone for nothing most of the time..now imagine you are giving money way for something that was done wrong so long ago....it will turn into the mess that your justice system is with lawsuits....
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    danny72688 wrote:
    Honestly, I'd say no. Those people who'd be getting it would be basically getting a hand out. ?

    Bull shit. It would be more like an inheritance long over due. We should, by your standards, take away all inherited wealth from every heir and heiress in this country, and make them work at burger king. I want Paris Hilton flipping my next whopper.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    cornnifer wrote:
    Bull shit. It would be more like an inheritance long over due. We should, by your standards, take away all inherited wealth from every heir and heiress in this country, and make them work at burger king. I want Paris Hilton flipping my next whopper.

    Make them work at Burger King? Who's forcing anybody to do that? And I don't see how you came to that conclusion above, but that's fine. You've got your opinion, I've got mine.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    I have never owned a slave, so no.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    cornnifer wrote:
    Bull shit. It would be more like an inheritance long over due. We should, by your standards, take away all inherited wealth from every heir and heiress in this country, and make them work at burger king. I want Paris Hilton flipping my next whopper.

    Okay whats your plan in accomplishing this feat?

    Who gets the money?
    How do you prove they should get the money?
    How much money they deserve?

    Convince me with a plan....saying something needs to be done because its the right thing to do, does not get you anywhere....you need a plan.... look at Iraq...no plan....one big mess....
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I say, get it over with. Pay it out with one stipulation... no more blaming your personal situation on events from the distant past.
    If you take the reparations that your ancestors deserve and waste it away on a pimped out Escalade and eventually end up is the same place you are today... that's YOUR fault and you can no longer blame the White Devil for all of your problems.
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Cosmo wrote:
    I say, get it over with. Pay it out with one stipulation... no more blaming your personal situation on events from the distant past.
    If you take the reparations that your ancestors deserve and waste it away on a pimped out Escalade and eventually end up is the same place you are today... that's YOUR fault and you can no longer blame the White Devil for all of your problems.

    It wont work...here in Canada where Native Americans pay NO taxes, get monthly government cheques, university/college is free (this has only been going for lets say 100+ years)....the majority still blame the white man for their misery...actually I tend to blame the free hand-outs its created an unhealthy dependance on the system....my friends who are Natives also think the same they went to school, succeeded just like everyone else...even they can see the problem and they are Native....
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Cosmo wrote:
    I say, get it over with. Pay it out with one stipulation... no more blaming your personal situation on events from the distant past.
    If you take the reparations that your ancestors deserve and waste it away on a pimped out Escalade and eventually end up is the same place you are today... that's YOUR fault and you can no longer blame the White Devil for all of your problems.

    This makes me laugh. If you inherit money from a dead relative. You, Cosmo, can spend it however the fuck you want! Its your fucking money! It has nothing to do with personal situations or trying to correct them with money! I don't see whats so hard to see about that.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    I have Lakota Sioux ancestors....Where's my fucking money?
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I have never owned a slave, so no.

    Has nothing to do with it. Reparations would be paid by the government. It isn't like there would be an extra deduction from YOUR paycheck. And, as far as taxes go, I covered that in an earlier post.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    cornnifer wrote:
    Has nothing to do with it. Reparations would be paid by the government. It isn't like there would be an extra deduction from YOUR paycheck. And, as far as taxes go, I covered that in an earlier post.

    Whats your plan to do this?
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    I have Lakota Sioux ancestors....Where's my fucking money?


    Get this my g/f is 1/16 Metis and she has the majority of her education paid for AND she gets to ahead to the front of the line IN ANY post secondary education where there is a waiting list...crazy but if the opportunity is there why not use it...I guess even though we both think it is BS....
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Whats your plan to do this?

    When I am paid to come up with an official plan, I will do so. A damn good one. What does my plan have to do with whether or not reparations is a fair concept. The initial purpose of this thread.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    ...crazy but if the opportunity is there why not use it...

    The opportunity to rape a baby is there too. I would hope you wouldn't do that.

    That said, I don't completely blame those who take these kinds of benefits. I primarily blame those who grant them.
  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    my tax dollars better not go towards it, I never owned a slave and nor did my ancestors. Some of them were lucky enough to die for the North "freeing the slaves." So I guess Kobe Bryant owes me a check. Along with the Italians for killing all those Christians, and for commiting genocide throughout Europe and the Med. I would then lose that money in an American Indian casino, thus completing the circle of life.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    cornnifer wrote:
    When I am paid to come up with an official plan, I will do so. A damn good one. What does my plan have to do with whether or not reparations is a fair concept. The initial purpose of this thread.

    Well first because a well thought out plan can sometimes make people change their opinion...your saying we need to do this...people are saying no it makes no sense...as a supporter of it you should have a plan to convince those that it makes sense and it can work...because if you read the responses most feel that they shoudl not have to pay...you need to answer those comments...saying how the current rich should be delagated to BK does not prove you have a plan regardless if it was a loose statement...Im a compromising person and would love to here a plan...you might just convince me...badgering me with its the right thing to do will not work...proving to me how a plan like the one you propose can work could go a long way...personally I have changed my mind about many things...
  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    I woud also say if you get the reparations you have to go back to the land you were stolen from, thus proving that you actually felt wronged, not just wanting a hand out.

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