Reparations (monetary compensation to slave ancestors)

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reborncareerist wrote:

There are better things that can be done to combat inequality, assuming that this is even the motive here.

I agree.

The question still stands that I've asked 2-3 times in this thread to the those that agree that reparations should be payed....

What good would come out of it?

No one has answered it.

VictoryGin

cornnifer wrote:

You people kill me sometimes! We're talking about alot more than just paying for past injustices. We have hundreds of thousands of people for about a couple of hundred years working from the time they could see in the morning until the time they could not possibly see at night, seven days a week. TOTALLY UNCOMPENSATED. Thats more than just an injustice. That, my friends, is alot of fucking backpay! An inheritance is categorized differntly than a fucking handout! One more time, if your ancestors had, or were owed, alot of money, you, their living heir, would want your money, and not consider it a fucking handout!

I really wish I could get through this thread, but because of time I have to stop here. But seriously, seriously. What slaves were put through, my fucking god! And the impact they had on economy, especially southern economy, cannot be underestimated. There would be no southern economy if it wasn't for their blood, sweat, and tears.

I'm totally with you on your questions of ancestors, cornnifer.

There is an amazing West Wing episode where Josh is skeptical of reparations, and someone talks to him about it. I highly recommend it!

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VictoryGin wrote:

I really wish I could get through this thread, but because of time I have to stop here. But seriously, seriously. What slaves were put through, my fucking god! And the impact they had on economy, especially southern economy, cannot be underestimated. There would be no southern economy if it wasn't for their blood, sweat, and tears.

I'm totally with you on your questions of ancestors, cornnifer.

There is an amazing West Wing episode where Josh is skeptical of reparations, and someone talks to him about it. I highly recommend it!

OK, since you agree w/ reparations, when you have a break from work, would you please tell me what good would come out of paying reparations?

I dont think anyone is not beleiving that slaves were horribly treated 150 years ago though.

rebornFixer

VictoryGin wrote:

I really wish I could get through this thread, but because of time I have to stop here. But seriously, seriously. What slaves were put through, my fucking god! And the impact they had on economy, especially southern economy, cannot be underestimated. There would be no southern economy if it wasn't for their blood, sweat, and tears.

I'm totally with you on your questions of ancestors, cornnifer.

There is an amazing West Wing episode where Josh is skeptical of reparations, and someone talks to him about it. I highly recommend it!

There would be no economy, period, ANYWHERE, without blood, sweat, and tears from somebody! Now we're arguing that because slaves did good work, they deserve compensation? If said slaves were still alive, I'd actually agree with this.
"I'm totally with you" ... Really? You should sell all your posessions, then, and donate all the proceeds to the reparations movement. I'd actually be stunned if anyone in thread would do such a thing. I'd also be interested in observing the outcome. My hypothesis is that you'd see a guilty white person turned into a guilty, POOR white person, and in the end, history won't have changed.

Spartanacus

reborncareerist wrote:

I am afraid to even read this entire thread, for fear that peoples' responses will make my skin crawl. How is this idea even defensible, by any reasonable person? There are better things that can be done to combat inequality, assuming that this is even the motive here.

Don't read it. I shouldn't have, as now I'm back out of posting retirement, which will cause my work performance to suffer, which will cause the company I work for "lost dollars," which could contribute to lost jobs, which could affect our economy, which may be blamed on "The Man"...hence more discussions about how we should all be paid back for our life sucking or for the wrongs done to our great (x5) grandparents...plus now I feel like a racist for believing that the people who think this topic merits a debate are pure idiots. :(

rebornFixer

Spartancus wrote:

Don't read it. I shouldn't have, as now I'm back out of posting retirement, which will cause my work performance to suffer, which will cause the company I work for "lost dollars," which could contribute to lost jobs, which could affect our economy, which may be blamed on "The Man"...hence more discussions about how we should all be paid back for our life sucking or for the wrongs done to our great (x5) grandparents...plus now I feel like a racist for believing that the people who think this topic merits a debate are pure idiots. :(

Well, can I join the club?

VictoryGin

truroute wrote:

OK, since you agree w/ reparations, when you have a break from work, would you please tell me what good would come out of paying reparations?

I dont think anyone is not beleiving that slaves were horribly treated 150 years ago though.

You know, I don't get many breaks from work these days. And when I have a precious few moments, they certainly won't be spent fulfilling your requests. Like it would even matter if I answered your question. I think you have your mind made up.

I shouldn't have posted. I was reminded of the large presence of a-holes around here. Did anyone actually ever answer cornnifer's question about inheritence?

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VictoryGin wrote:

You know, I don't get many breaks from work these days. And when I have a precious few moments, they certainly won't be spent fulfilling your requests. Like it would even matter if I answered your question. I think you have your mind made up.

I shouldn't have posted. I was reminded of the large presence of a-holes around here. Did anyone actually ever answer cornnifer's question about inheritence?

About connifers question, i beleive it was answered a few times.* And your excuse about not having time to answer my question, while you had the time to type it out... well, I guess you're no different then some others on this board, you only reply to those who totally agree w/ you.

go back to work.

*edit- either answered or he/she was told it had nothing to do w/ the subject of reparations.

Milhouse VanHouten

truroute wrote:

Please explain to me what me living as a black person has to do w/ reparations?

It's pretty simple: Would you be willing to live as a black person in America in order to be eligible for reparations?

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Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

It's pretty simple: Would you be willing to live as a black person in America in order to be eligible for reparations?

In other words, are you asking me if I'd cash a check for free money it was given to me? Yup. I sure would.

I already said I wouldn't have a problem w/ the ppl that would take advantage of free money. I would have a problem of the groups/ people that started the whole reparation argument and the gov't leaders that agreed to it.

hippiemom

truroute wrote:

*edit- either answered or he/she was told it had nothing to do w/ the subject of reparations.

Which is patently ridiculous, because it has everything to do with reparations.

truroute wrote:

In other words, are you asking me if I'd cash a check for free money it was given to me? Yup. I sure would.

I already said I wouldn't have a problem w/ the ppl that would take advantage of free money. I would have a problem of the groups/ people that started the whole reparation argument and the gov't leaders that agreed to it.

I believe the question is "Would you be willing to trade in your white skin for a black one in exchange for a one-time reparations check?"

Milhouse VanHouten

truroute wrote:

And...

It really seems that you're really quick to just appease the ppl wanting reparations w/out looking into it.

Its all to easy to just pay'em so they quit whining about the past. (until the next civil rights "leader" steps up)

I'm not trying to appease anyone. I think America should have a real discussion/debate on this topic.

By the way, the government never did get around to giving freed slaves the 40 acres or the mules.

Milhouse VanHouten

truroute wrote:

In other words, are you asking me if I'd cash a check for free money it was given to me? Yup. I sure would.

No, I'm asking you if you'd be willing to experience life as a black person in America in exchange for reparations.

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To Milhouse
cc; hippemom

I was born white, and no I wouldn't want to trade my skin color for a check or anything else. Now, call me dumb, but I dont see how me changing my skin color would enlighten me towards your idea of validating reparations.

PaperPlates

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

He acts like his stuff is so edgy and dangerous. Wow, Mr. Mencia, you're really onto something. Ethnic/stereotype-based humor. How groundbreaking.

I like both guys, but seriously, how is what you just said about Mencia much different than Chappelle. Both guys fit that description/

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Here's a hypothetical: If you had a choice, would you be willing to somehow live as a black person in order to get access to interest free loans and paid college tuition, or would you rather stay white?

If the answer is "stay white", than you should quit complaining.

My answer is, id stay white, and work hard and apply myself. Just like I actually have. So being white, working hard, and applying yourself means I should quit complaining?? Wow. Very liberal of you.

Milhouse VanHouten

truroute wrote:

To Milhouse
cc; hippemom

I was born white, and no I wouldn't want to trade my skin color for a check or anything else. Now, call me dumb, but I dont see how me changing my skin color would enlighten me towards your idea of validating reparations.

You're dumb.

Nevermind.

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hippiemom wrote:

Which is patently ridiculous, because it has everything to do with reparations.

How?

How can paying money to people in todays world to payback for something that was legal 150 yrs ago (albiet fucking horrible and down right morally wrong) compare to money passed down from father to son through inheritance?

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Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

You're dumb.

Nevermind.

Of course, take the easy way out and say nevermind.

and yes, I set myself up to be called dumb.

PaperPlates

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

You're dumb.

Nevermind.

He's not dumb. Your hypothetical example is. Preferring to live life as you have ( IDK very many white guys personally who get everything handed to them just cuz they are white) doesnt negate the right to complain about those who DO get things handed over to them for doing NOTHING except the color of their skin.

And if I was black, id be insulted if I got offered things just based on my color. How is that any better or less insulting than NOT recieving something base upon skin color? Any self respecting black person should be against reparations, affirmative action, etc.

hippiemom

truroute wrote:

How?

How can paying money to people in todays world to payback for something that was legal 150 yrs ago (albiet fucking horrible and down right morally wrong) compare to money passed down from father to son through inheritance?

*sigh*

Because there was no money to be passed along from father to son because no one paid the father. We built a nation on their labor and didn't compensate them for it, and their descendants live in poverty today at least partly because the slaves weren't able to pass the fruits of their labors down to their children.