Selective Racism

acoustic guy

dunkman wrote:

perhaps its time for a great americanism and have 'closure' on the whole slavery thing?

Amen! Tell Whoopie Goldberg that.

acoustic guy

dunkman wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4499074&postcount=1



thats pretty crap... what ever happened to best man/woman for the job? his skin colour shouldnt even come into the equation...

Exactly. That was the argument. Color should not be an issue when you are saving a persons life.

TrixieCat

dunkman wrote:

I'm pretty sure that doesnt happen these days... i think black immigrants these days come through choice.. and African-Americans are more American than African if they have been here since the slave days.

this happened 300 years ago... which was when english landowners were stripping scottish farmers of their land and forcing them to starve to death... i feel we have got over it... perhaps its time for a great americanism and have 'closure' on the whole slavery thing?

Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago. The great grandchildren of slaves are alive in this country.
It is not my place to judge how someone wants to view and celebrate the history of their people. Accoustic Guy's favorite month must be February. lol

acoustic guy

TrixieCat wrote:

Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago. The great grandchildren of slaves are alive in this country.
It is not my place to judge how someone wants to view and celebrate the history of their people. Accoustic Guy's favorite month must be February. lol

It is! Its my birthday month!
I am not racist woman. I have a reason to feel the way I do but its not racist.
I agree they learn from their elders and they need to understand where they came from. But, The people today who were NEVER slaves act like they are owed something for what they have been through. They have not been through shit! They have only been given everything. We bend over backwards for the minorities and yet they want more and call out racisism every chance they get.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

acoustic guy wrote:

We bend over backwards for the minorities and yet they want more and call out racisism every chance they get.

bahahahahahaha!

I can't believe a thread about MOBO awards turned into this, but anyhoots...

The only minority we bend over backwards for is the 10% of the population who owns about 90% of all the wealth.

TrixieCat

acoustic guy wrote:

It is! Its my birthday month!
I am not racist woman. I have a reason to feel the way I do but its not racist.
I agree they learn from their elders and they need to understand where they came from. But, The people today who were NEVER slaves act like they are owed something for what they have been through. They have not been through shit! They have only been given everything. We bend over backwards for the minorities and yet they want more and call out racisism every chance they get.

We had our very own apartheid, here in America.
Blacks were forced to live in ghettos. They were segregated and alienated by the country they were a part of.
The happened in this century and is continued today.
Read about the Great Migration and you will learn how blacks were treated post civil war, up here in the great North where we fought for their supposed freedom. We denied them services, access to markets and refused mortgages where in many cases they had the money.
I don't think you are a racist. I never said that. Never having met you, I don't find it in my best interest to judge you.
I don't know if you want to or even like plays. But if you come across some of the work of August Wilson, particularly a play called Fences, you will find what it was like to live in a ghetto.

oops....meant last century. my how time flies.

dunkman

TrixieCat wrote:

Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago.

oh are we only talking about American black people now? how unamerican of me to forget that of course this discussion, which i started off by using the MOBO's, a british prisoners group and a black only British political voting group, would of course turn to America.

Scotland abolished slavery in 1807... 200 years ago.. forgive my error... still a long time ago and as far back as 1777 Scotland had a famous case in which a black man was given his freedom as slavery was not recognised under Scots Law.

TrixieCat

dunkman wrote:

oh are we only talking about American black people now? how unamerican of me to forget that of course this discussion, which i started off by using the MOBO's, a british prisoners group and a black only political voting group, would of course turn to America.

Scotland abolished slavery in 1807... 200 years ago.. forgive my error... still a long time ago and as far back as 1777 Scotland had a famous case in which a black man was given his freedom as slavery was not recognised under Scots Law.

You were talking about African Americans being more American.

dunkman

TrixieCat wrote:

You were talking about African Americans being more American.

only because you said:-

There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.

i dont live in your here, i live here... or something.

TrixieCat

dunkman wrote:

only because you said:-

There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.

i dont live in your here, i live here... or something.

Because you had replied to Jamie about him asking about whether or not ag's ish was wish other 'minority' groups or something like that.
My apologies.

dunkman

TrixieCat wrote:

Because you had replied to Jamie about him asking about whether or not ag's ish was wish other 'minority' groups or something like that.
My apologies.

and in that reply i used Japan, Nigeria and Ethiopa... not the US.

no need to apologise.

Pacomc79

The typical argument as I often here it Dunk is that White people own everything and therefore the entire culture already celebrates them.

acoustic guy

TrixieCat wrote:

We had our very own apartheid, here in America.
Blacks were forced to live in ghettos. They were segregated and alienated by the country they were a part of.
The happened in this century and is continued today.
Read about the Great Migration and you will learn how blacks were treated post civil war, up here in the great North where we fought for their supposed freedom. We denied them services, access to markets and refused mortgages where in many cases they had the money.
I don't think you are a racist. I never said that. Never having met you, I don't find it in my best interest to judge you.
I don't know if you want to or even like plays. But if you come across some of the work of August Wilson, particularly a play called Fences, you will find what it was like to live in a ghetto.

oops....meant last century. my how time flies.

Well , they are not FORCED to live in the ghetto now are they? I have friends who are black who do not. ANd why don't they? Because they work hard to live in a normal area. The ones who CHOOSE to live there now either are lazy as all hell, are on drugs, or are crooks. I live in a nice area but I work in Atlantic City and know all about the ghetto you speak of. Do you? Have you ever spent time in a bad bad area? Doubt it. The ones who live in the ghetto learn to work and abuse the system. Thats why I don't like the Democratic party. They allow these peole to abuse the system, but thats another story. Anyhow, they live in the ghetto and abuse the system but getting to live in goverment housing, use goverment money and receive goverment food. I know this way of life well and its bullshit.
You want to get out of the ghetto? Get off your ass, KEEP a job! And save your money like I do and live a normal life.
But no, that will not happen because they are the want everything and don't want to give nothing and we allow it. We create many many ways to help them and it does not work. Woe is fucking me!

TrixieCat

acoustic guy wrote:

Well , they are not FORCED to live in the ghetto now are they? I have friends who are black who do not. ANd why don't they? Because they work hard to live in a normal area. The ones who CHOOSE to live there now either are lazy as all hell, are on drugs, or are crooks. I live in a nice area but I work in Atlantic City and know all about the ghetto you speak of. Do you? Have you ever spent time in a bad bad area? Doubt it. The ones who live in the ghetto learn to work and abuse the system. Thats why I don't like the Democratic party. They allow these peole to abuse the system, but thats another story. Anyhow, they live in the ghetto and abuse the system but getting to live in goverment housing, use goverment money and receive goverment food. I know this way of life well and its bullshit.
You want to get out of the ghetto? Get off your ass, KEEP a job! And save your money like I do and live a normal life.
But no, that will not happen because they are the want everything and don't want to give nothing and we allow it. We create many many ways to help them and it does not work. Woe is fucking me!

Don't assume anything about me. Ok?
Why are you so hellbent on finding out where everyone has lived.
I lived in the Spanish part of Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Not a nice place. And while I lived there I worked down on Fulton St, downtown Brklyn.
I don't need to justify my opinions for you. lol
You really aren't understanding what I am saying. Do you know, without googling, what the Great Migration was? Google it.
And correct me if I am wrong, but don't you work in daddy's peanut store?

Dirtie_Frank

Is it considered racism for people of color to vote for Barry only becuase he is half black.

Fahka

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Holy crap.

thats got to be the best reply by FAR i have ever gotten on here

Heineken Helen

TrixieCat wrote:

Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago. The great grandchildren of slaves are alive in this country.
It is not my place to judge how someone wants to view and celebrate the history of their people. Accoustic Guy's favorite month must be February. lol

Ah so it ended about 16 years after our great famine????? Yeh, I think the Brits were still being assholes to us then too. Oh yeh, that only 'ended' recently. I bring it up HERE quite a bit to show parallels with other historical issues... but in general Irish people just bloody get on with it and don't go on about what we're owed... (which is quite a bit by the way )

Heineken Helen

Pacomc79 wrote:

The typical argument as I often here it Dunk is that White people own everything and therefore the entire culture already celebrates them.

I'm willing to bet that there are more black people than the MINORITY of white people who own everything... thereby making the rich white a minority :( awwwww!

Cosmo

Place the shoe on the other foot...
If you want there to be a United White College Fund... or White Entertainment Television station... or a Miss White America Pageant... then, you would have to turn over all power of the government, corporations, businesses, etc... to the black folk. Your televisions would overwhelmingly consist of shows like 'House of Payne' and your entertainment would be more like 'Night At The Apollo', every night.
Imagine being the minority and everything favors the black people.
...
Then, you can have your Miss White America Pageant. You'd like that trade off, wouldn't you?

Dirtie_Frank

Cosmo wrote:

Place the shoe on the other foot...
If you want there to be a United White College Fund... or White Entertainment Television station... or a Miss White America Pageant... then, you would have to turn over all power of the government, corporations, businesses, etc... to the black folk. Your televisions would overwhelmingly consist of shows like 'House of Payne' and your entertainment would be more like 'Night At The Apollo', every night.
Imagine being the minority and everything favors the black people.
...
Then, you can have your Miss White America Pageant. You'd like that trade off, wouldn't you?

There is nothing that says a black man cannot run for office. There are lots of succesful professional black people out there too. Everything does not favor black people. To say turn over the government, corporations... is ridiculous they can run for office, be a ceo or business owner just as easy as a me.