Selective Racism

dunkman

i just read an article about the MOBO awards that were recently on in London. MOBO stands for Music Of Black Origin, this co-incides with a recent article i read about the Metroplitain Police have a group called BME and that only includes officers of Black and MInority Ethnic races.

Operation Black Vote is a group that labels itself "the Home of Black Politics" within the UK.

I just found that there is a National Body of Black Prisoner Support Groups organisation in the UK.


i just wonder sometimes what would happen if i started up a "MOWO Awards Ceremony" in which only white musicians were celebrated? or a support group for only white voters within the UK... or a white only prisoner support group... there would be uproar i imagine..

I see lots of things like this.. i just wondered if it's racism within itself.

why not just have a Prisoner Support group regardless of race, or a Operation Vote, just to encourage ALL people to vote.

surfanddestroy

I have been having this argument for years, it is highly racist.

There is no chance you would get away with a MOWO awards because that would be racist, but MOBO awards aren't!

catefrances

the oscars are basically white people awards. it pains them greatly to admit there are black people in the world. and when they finally do, they still muck it up by giving the award to the second best actor of the year.;)

know1

Very racist indeed. Let's stop putting race-based labels on people. They make no sense nowadays since everyone is mixed anyway.

acoustic guy

Its total bullshit. We have a Miss America, then we have a Miss Black America. AND a Black woman has won the MIss America A few times! WTF????
Totally racist. But.....no one has the balls to call them out on it.
It pisses me off to no end. They fought for years to not be segregated, and now it seems that its all they want. WELL WHAT WERE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THEN??? BET Channel What about WET??? JET Magazine???
Man this is a sore subject with me.
Like racial profiling with the police. My friend is a cop in Atlantic City and 90% of the violent crimes are commited by BMA's. Why? Because they are the majority in that city. Sooooooo, if you are looking for a black guy with a gun who is 6'2 200 lbs.......LOOK for a BLACK guy who is 6'2 200 lbs! Whats the problem?????

acoustic guy

catefrances wrote:

the oscars are basically white people awards. it pains them greatly to admit there are black people in the world. and when they finally do, they still muck it up by giving the award to the second best actor of the year.;)

Thats ridiculous. They are NOT white people awards. If you are an accomplished actor you get an oscar! Simple as that.

SoonForgotten2

Dunk, I think you just described the BNP in the second half of your post.

AG, so far as what they were complaining about, well- I think anyone would rather do something by choice, rather than have it forced upon them,even if, yes, it's the same thing.

On the whole, I agree that so long as minorities embrace racism and are so quick to play the race card, we'll never be able to rid ourselves of race divisions. Relating racial profiling, this drives me a bit nuts. I totally understand where it can be abused, but come on now. Let's consider for a moment, the security at airports. We know why the security levels have been heightened so (taking it all at face value, I'm not even going to address who the real terrorist are) why do all us white folk get harrassed? I could have stated that a bit more delicately, but doesn't it take away from the ability to focus on people who would (again taking all this rubbish at face value) pose an actual threat?

catefrances

acoustic guy wrote:

Thats ridiculous. They are NOT white people awards. If you are an accomplished actor you get an oscar! Simple as that.

and there are never any politics involved? yeah right.



gotcha.

acoustic guy

catefrances wrote:

and there are never any politics involved? yeah right.



gotcha.

Okay, you got me there.

catefrances

acoustic guy wrote:

Okay, you got me there.

twas just too easy jersey boy.

you bite your wife like that?

Heineken Helen

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

On the whole, I agree that so long as minorities embrace racism and are so quick to play the race card, we'll never be able to rid ourselves of race divisions.

Agreed!

There's a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to so called racism. If I call a black person 'black' well some people here would accuse me of being racist I've actually HAD that argument here before

I'm white, I'm Irish... and I've no problem being called so... and if I DID have a problem, that's MY problem... not the person who CALLS it as it is :rolleyes:

Jeremy1012

At the end of the day, white people can be and have been included, The Streets for example. It's only the origin of the music that must be black.

I'm sure there are country music awards. The only difference is there is no exclusionism in the name. They are awards judged by white people of white music played by white musicians. The MOBOs are a celebration of a type of music which IS of black origin, there's no denying it. The name is not inherently racist. It's not the "Music exclusively for blacks by blacks Awards".

It might be too geared towards black musicians but then isn't that the nature of the music? If this awards ceremony took place in Africa, no one would be complaining. The music is here. Why shouldn't it be recognised?

As for there not being a "Music of White Origin" awards, there are few contemporary mainstream musical genres, ie those which could sustain a high-profile awards ceremony, that are of white origin. I agree that if such an awards ceremony was started, people would call it racist but that's ignorance on the part of the general public. The MOBOs aren't inherently racist either.

DOSW

The thing is, our culture is geared toward common white interests. Our culture IS white culture. That's why if we celebrated white culture, it would be redundant and pointless, which would lead to the belief that it was created for racist reasons.

Black culture, though, is a clear minority and is often viewed with disdain by non-blacks. That's why black people feel the need to celebrate it. They're the minority, and there's nothing wrong with banding together and celebrating your culture in a country where white culture is the norm.

I don't see the problem.

dunkman

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Dunk, I think you just described the BNP in the second half of your post.

AG, so far as what they were complaining about, well- I think anyone would rather do something by choice, rather than have it forced upon them,even if, yes, it's the same thing.

On the whole, I agree that so long as minorities embrace racism and are so quick to play the race card, we'll never be able to rid ourselves of race divisions. Relating racial profiling, this drives me a bit nuts. I totally understand where it can be abused, but come on now. Let's consider for a moment, the security at airports. We know why the security levels have been heightened so (taking it all at face value, I'm not even going to address who the real terrorist are) why do all us white folk get harrassed? I could have stated that a bit more delicately, but doesn't it take away from the ability to focus on people who would (again taking all this rubbish at face value) pose an actual threat?

i'm totally with you on the airport thing... unfortunately a tiny tiny minority of religious nutters have made it difficult for everyone to fly in a plane... but all of the suicide bombers have been of Middle Eastern/Pakistani origin, so why bother making me, who has never lived outside of Scotland, take off my shoes and my belt and answer questions about my bottle of Fanta... lets just admit that the terror groups are of a certain racial background, so concentrate efforts on them (which is unfortunate for the vast majority who havent done a bloody hting wrong) and this will enable us to go to fucking Benidorm or whatever much much quicker!!

as for the BNP bit... i agree also... if someone started a MOWO awards they would be called fascist, racist, BNP supporters, etc... but why cant white anglo saxons start a music awards that state that .... like folk music for instance... its predominately a white persons genre.. but there is no need or justification for calling their awards ceremony "The White Persons Folk Awards" ... it simply doesnt matter having things like the MOBO awards, etc just prolongs any racial divides imo.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

not the person who CALLS a spade a spade :rolleyes:

not the best choice of words Hells

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

not the best choice of words Hells

oops edited. That was NOT intentional... :eek: it's just an expression.

dunkman

Jeremy1012 wrote:

At the end of the day, white people can be and have been included, The Streets for example. It's only the origin of the music that must be black.

I'm sure there are country music awards. The only difference is there is no exclusionism in the name. They are awards judged by white people of white music played by white musicians. The MOBOs are a celebration of a type of music which IS of black origin, there's no denying it. The name is not inherently racist. It's not the "Music exclusively for blacks by blacks Awards".

It might be too geared towards black musicians but then isn't that the nature of the music? If this awards ceremony took place in Africa, no one would be complaining. The music is here. Why shouldn't it be recognised?

As for there not being a "Music of White Origin" awards, there are few contemporary mainstream musical genres, ie those which could sustain a high-profile awards ceremony, that are of white origin. I agree that if such an awards ceremony was started, people would call it racist but that's ignorance on the part of the general public. The MOBOs aren't inherently racist either.

good post. why not call it MOAO... music of African origin? its only one thing that i picked up on... the MOBO's ... i'm sure there are other things i could use... like what about Operation Black Vote?

Heineken Helen

DOSW wrote:

The thing is, our culture is geared toward common white interests. Our culture IS white culture. That's why if we celebrated white culture, it would be redundant and pointless, which would lead to the belief that it was created for racist reasons.

Black culture, though, is a clear minority and is often viewed with disdain by non-blacks. That's why black people feel the need to celebrate it. They're the minority, and there's nothing wrong with banding together and celebrating your culture in a country where white culture is the norm.

I don't see the problem.

it's often viewed with disdain by non-blacks? Don't you mean by racists? I don't think many people have a problem with black culture. Much of the music played in pubs and clubs IS of black origin... and people seem to love it! You're suggesting it as more of a way to fight back against the larger culture... which is pointless and will go nowhere.

melodious

know1 wrote:

Very racist indeed. Let's stop putting race-based labels on people. They make no sense nowadays since everyone is mixed anyway.

how's bout no labels???

good day...

g under p

Heineken Helen wrote:

Agreed!

There's a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to so called racism. If I call a black person 'black' well some people here would accuse me of being racist I've actually HAD that argument here before

I'm white, I'm Irish... and I've no problem being called so... and if I DID have a problem, that's MY problem... not the person who CALLS a spade a spade :rolleyes:

Judge: Why do you people call yourselves black? You look more brown than black.
Steve Biko: Why do you call yourselves white? You look more pink than white....from the movie Cry Freedom

I sometimes hesitate in saying black or African American but i just say black to get straight to the point and i'm black so go figure.

Peace

Heineken Helen

g under p wrote:

Judge: Why do you people call yourselves black? You look more brown than black.
Steve Biko: Why do you call yourselves white? You look more pink than white....from the movie Cry Freedom

I sometimes hesitate in saying black or African American but i just say black to get straight to the point and i'm black so go figure.

Peace

I know... it's true! I'm definitely more pink than white... but there are probably some people who'd be offended by being called brown too . No matter what you say you're gonna offend somebody somewhere! I just think there's too much pc bullshit in the world... but if one 'race' is not allowed behave a certain way cos another 'race' disapproves... but then that other 'race' does the same thing... well at the very least it's hypocritical

lalalalaaaaaaaa

dunkman wrote:

i just read an article about the MOBO awards that were recently on in London. MOBO stands for Music Of Black Origin, this co-incides with a recent article i read about the Metroplitain Police have a group called BME and that only includes officers of Black and MInority Ethnic races.

Operation Black Vote is a group that labels itself "the Home of Black Politics" within the US.

I just found that there is a National Body of Black Prisoner Support Groups organisation in the UK.


i just wonder sometimes what would happen if i started up a "MOWO Awards Ceremony" in which only white musicians were celebrated? or a support group for only white voters within the UK... or a white only prisoner support group... there would be uproar i imagine..

I see lots of things like this.. i just wondered if it's racism within itself.

why not just have a Prisoner Support group regardless of race, or a Operation Vote, just to encourage ALL people to vote.

The keyword in all of this is MINORITY...it's not racism. Minorities are mis-represented in almost every arena...political or otherwise. So they form groups to offset that. They're not leaving the rest of us out of anything by doing so. This isn't some double-standard thing. If someone started MOWO, there wouldn't be an uproar....people just wouldn't see the point in it, because it'd be retarded. Majorities don't need extra support. It'd be like perfectly healthy people forming a support group to talk about their health each week...it just makes no sense. But for people with diseases, it does make sense. I'm not saying being a minority is like having a disease, but the basis for the formation of each kind of group is the same....minorities are mis-represented, so they form exclusive groups like that to deal with it. It's not racism.

Jeremy1012

dunkman wrote:

good post. why not call it MOAO... music of African origin? its only one thing that i picked up on... the MOBO's ... i'm sure there are other things i could use... like what about Operation Black Vote?

Thanks, I was due at least ONE post this year with which someone might agree with me Anyway, it's not racist, I don't think, on the part of black people to address the fact that racial minorities might need stimulation to vote in democratic elections in a society in which, by their nature, the might not feel adequately democratically represented. I don't know much about Operation Black Vote but I'm sure it has beneficial effects to an extent, and I know I, as a white person, don't feel slighted by its existence so why not?

As for calling it the MOAOs, that would just be that political correctness going mad that you guys are always going on about Besides, many African Americans, I'm sure, identify themselves as American, and the environment a musical genre is birthed from is very important, it's not just the people that make it. Hip-hop would therefore be an American genre, not an African one, but certainly one of black origin.

All I know is, I'm cool with it. To date, the only times I have ever felt racially discriminated against were in a jamaican takeaway and in a conversation with a Jewish alcoholic who was raving insanely about me being an aryan scumbag. Both times were too trivial for me to really give a toss. When they start calling it Music not of Cracker Origin Awards, then I'll be slightly concerned

dunkman

Saturnal wrote:

The keyword in all of this is MINORITY...it's not racism. Minorities are mis-represented in almost every arena...political or otherwise. So they form groups to offset that. They're not leaving the rest of us out of anything by doing so. This isn't some double-standard thing. If someone started MOWO, there wouldn't be an uproar....people just wouldn't see the point in it, because it'd be retarded. Majorities don't need extra support. It'd be like perfectly healthy people forming a support group to talk about their health each week...it just makes no sense. But for people with diseases, it does make sense. I'm not saying being a minority is like having a disease, but the basis for the formation of each kind of group is the same....minorities are mis-represented, so they form exclusive groups like that to deal with it. It's not racism.

so the majority of people who listen to or take part in music are white?

chromiam

Saturnal wrote:

The keyword in all of this is MINORITY...it's not racism. Minorities are mis-represented in almost every arena...political or otherwise. So they form groups to offset that. They're not leaving the rest of us out of anything by doing so. This isn't some double-standard thing. If someone started MOWO, there wouldn't be an uproar....people just wouldn't see the point in it, because it'd be retarded. Majorities don't need extra support. It'd be like perfectly healthy people forming a support group to talk about their health each week...it just makes no sense. But for people with diseases, it does make sense. I'm not saying being a minority is like having a disease, but the basis for the formation of each kind of group is the same....minorities are mis-represented, so they form exclusive groups like that to deal with it. It's not racism.

so when "whites" become the minority in the United States (well on its way to happening), I can form groups which are directed to "whites"-only????

Kel Varnsen

dunkman wrote:

i'm totally with you on the airport thing... unfortunately a tiny tiny minority of religious nutters have made it difficult for everyone to fly in a plane... but all of the suicide bombers have been of Middle Eastern/Pakistani origin, so why bother making me, who has never lived outside of Scotland, take off my shoes and my belt and answer questions about my bottle of Fanta... lets just admit that the terror groups are of a certain racial background, so concentrate efforts on them (which is unfortunate for the vast majority who havent done a bloody hting wrong) and this will enable us to go to fucking Benidorm or whatever much much quicker!!

The problem with that is it makes things even easier for terrorists. I mean if you tell your enemy that you will only be searching dark skinned people from the middle east, you are basically telling them that if they can find a white guy to do their dirty work then he will have a very easy time committing terrorist acts, because security will be focusing on dark skinned guys.

NMyTree

acoustic guy wrote:

Its total bullshit. We have a Miss America, then we have a Miss Black America. AND a Black woman has won the MIss America A few times! WTF????
Totally racist. But.....no one has the balls to call them out on it.
It pisses me off to no end. They fought for years to not be segregated, and now it seems that its all they want. WELL WHAT WERE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THEN??? BET Channel What about WET??? JET Magazine???
Man this is a sore subject with me.
Like racial profiling with the police. My friend is a cop in Atlantic City and 90% of the violent crimes are commited by BMA's. Why? Because they are the majority in that city. Sooooooo, if you are looking for a black guy with a gun who is 6'2 200 lbs.......LOOK for a BLACK guy who is 6'2 200 lbs! Whats the problem?????

I agree with everything, here. Been saying the same thing for years.

It's all just pure bullshit. Black, white, brown, asian...whatever; we all have good people, bad people...... racists ......amongst us.

Just a case of racism existing in every culture.....every race.

And that phoney-baloney overly-PC crap is counter productive and plain stupid.



PC POLICE BLOTTER


Central Dispatch: Unit 12, we have a robbery at Friedman's Jewelry Store, on 8th Avenue. The perpetrator was a human being and has left the scene of the crime.

Patrol Officer Brady: We're on 8th Avenue right now, Central Dispatch. But we're six blocks from Friedmans. Do you have a description of the perpetrator?

Central Dispath: Affirmative, Unit 12. The perpetrator is a human being.


Brady: Affirmative Central Dispatch. But do you have any distinguishing details for identification of the perpetrator? There's roughly 200-300 people out here.

Central Dispatch: Affirmative, Unit 12. The perpetrator is a human being.

Brady: Okay. Male or female?

Central Dispatch: That would be Gender Profiling, Unit 12.

Brady: Understood. How about approximate height and weight?

Central Dispatch: Negative, Unit 12. That would be Height and Weight Profiling.

Brady: Okay. How about clothing. What was the perpetrator wearing?

Central Dispatch: That would be Trademark Profiling, Unit 12.

Brady: Are you saying the perpetrator was wearing a Reebok or Starter jacket?

Central Dispatch: I did not say that, Unit 12.

Brady: Central Dispatch, we have roughly 200-300 people waking around, here. A large majority are black, white and hispanic. I also see several middle easterners. But only one asian. Help me out here.

Central Dispatch: I can tell you it was not an Asian human being, Unit 12.

Brady: Received. Was the perpetrator well-dessed, casually dessed or sloppily dressed?

Central Dispatch: Negative, Unit 12. That would be Class and Ambition-Level Profiling.

Brady: Is there anything you can tell me regarding the perpetrator, that will distinguish the perpetrator from everyone else?

Central Dispatch: The perpetrator is a human being and robbed Friedman's Jewelry Store. I can confirm this human is the only human being on 8th Avenue who robbed the store.

Brady: That's not really much help, Central Dispatch. Can you at least tell me if this perpetrator had hair? Or bald? If hair is present, what color?

Central Dispatch: That would be Hair Profiling and The Hair Club For Men would sue us for discrimination.

Brady: Understood. Was this human being (perpetrator) breathing, at the time the crime was commited?

Central Dispatch: Undetermined, Unit 12. I'll have to confirm the legal ramifications of communicating such a detail; with our attorneys. We'll get back to you on that.

TrixieCat

acoustic guy wrote:

Its total bullshit. We have a Miss America, then we have a Miss Black America. AND a Black woman has won the MIss America A few times! WTF????
Totally racist. But.....no one has the balls to call them out on it.
It pisses me off to no end. They fought for years to not be segregated, and now it seems that its all they want. WELL WHAT WERE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THEN??? BET Channel What about WET??? JET Magazine???
Man this is a sore subject with me.
Like racial profiling with the police. My friend is a cop in Atlantic City and 90% of the violent crimes are commited by BMA's. Why? Because they are the majority in that city. Sooooooo, if you are looking for a black guy with a gun who is 6'2 200 lbs.......LOOK for a BLACK guy who is 6'2 200 lbs! Whats the problem?????

Is this one of those joke posts?

Jamie, your crack about music from non-cracker origin was cute.

Back to the post I quoted. Do you not understand that they are a different culture? Do you not understand that this is no different than say, I don't know, everyone's favorite St Patrick's day celebrations? A big green parade.
Or the Puerto Rican Day Parade or the Gay Rights march, etc.
They are celebrating their specific culture.
Why is this a bone of contention with you? Is it directly affecting you?

Heineken Helen

TrixieCat wrote:

Is this one of those joke posts?

Jamie, your crack about music from non-cracker origin was cute.

Back to the post I quoted. Do you not understand that they are a different culture? Do you not understand that this is no different than say, I don't know, everyone's favorite St Patrick's day celebrations? A big green parade.
Or the Puerto Rican Day Parade or the Gay Rights march, etc.
They are celebrating their specific culture.
Why is this a bone of contention with you? Is it directly affecting you?

we don't call it 'The celebration of white Irishness Parade' do we

TrixieCat

Heineken Helen wrote:

we don't call it 'The celebration of white Irishness Parade' do we

You have black people over there.

And let's not let semantics get in the way.
Just words.
Titles.
What should they call it then?

Jeremy1012

TrixieCat wrote:

You have black people over there.

And let's not let semantics get in the way.
Just words.
Titles.
What should they call it then?

Exactly, it's not an awards ceremony that rewards music for being non-white, it's a ceremony that rewards music from black origins.