Selective Racism

dunkman

i just read an article about the MOBO awards that were recently on in London. MOBO stands for Music Of Black Origin, this co-incides with a recent article i read about the Metroplitain Police have a group called BME and that only includes officers of Black and MInority Ethnic races.

Operation Black Vote is a group that labels itself "the Home of Black Politics" within the UK.

I just found that there is a National Body of Black Prisoner Support Groups organisation in the UK.


i just wonder sometimes what would happen if i started up a "MOWO Awards Ceremony" in which only white musicians were celebrated? or a support group for only white voters within the UK... or a white only prisoner support group... there would be uproar i imagine..

I see lots of things like this.. i just wondered if it's racism within itself.

why not just have a Prisoner Support group regardless of race, or a Operation Vote, just to encourage ALL people to vote.

surfanddestroy

I have been having this argument for years, it is highly racist.

There is no chance you would get away with a MOWO awards because that would be racist, but MOBO awards aren't!

catefrances

the oscars are basically white people awards. it pains them greatly to admit there are black people in the world. and when they finally do, they still muck it up by giving the award to the second best actor of the year.;)

know1

Very racist indeed. Let's stop putting race-based labels on people. They make no sense nowadays since everyone is mixed anyway.

acoustic guy

Its total bullshit. We have a Miss America, then we have a Miss Black America. AND a Black woman has won the MIss America A few times! WTF????
Totally racist. But.....no one has the balls to call them out on it.
It pisses me off to no end. They fought for years to not be segregated, and now it seems that its all they want. WELL WHAT WERE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THEN??? BET Channel What about WET??? JET Magazine???
Man this is a sore subject with me.
Like racial profiling with the police. My friend is a cop in Atlantic City and 90% of the violent crimes are commited by BMA's. Why? Because they are the majority in that city. Sooooooo, if you are looking for a black guy with a gun who is 6'2 200 lbs.......LOOK for a BLACK guy who is 6'2 200 lbs! Whats the problem?????

acoustic guy

catefrances wrote:

the oscars are basically white people awards. it pains them greatly to admit there are black people in the world. and when they finally do, they still muck it up by giving the award to the second best actor of the year.;)

Thats ridiculous. They are NOT white people awards. If you are an accomplished actor you get an oscar! Simple as that.

SoonForgotten2

Dunk, I think you just described the BNP in the second half of your post.

AG, so far as what they were complaining about, well- I think anyone would rather do something by choice, rather than have it forced upon them,even if, yes, it's the same thing.

On the whole, I agree that so long as minorities embrace racism and are so quick to play the race card, we'll never be able to rid ourselves of race divisions. Relating racial profiling, this drives me a bit nuts. I totally understand where it can be abused, but come on now. Let's consider for a moment, the security at airports. We know why the security levels have been heightened so (taking it all at face value, I'm not even going to address who the real terrorist are) why do all us white folk get harrassed? I could have stated that a bit more delicately, but doesn't it take away from the ability to focus on people who would (again taking all this rubbish at face value) pose an actual threat?

catefrances

acoustic guy wrote:

Thats ridiculous. They are NOT white people awards. If you are an accomplished actor you get an oscar! Simple as that.

and there are never any politics involved? yeah right.



gotcha.

acoustic guy

catefrances wrote:

and there are never any politics involved? yeah right.



gotcha.

Okay, you got me there.

catefrances

acoustic guy wrote:

Okay, you got me there.

twas just too easy jersey boy.

you bite your wife like that?

Heineken Helen

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

On the whole, I agree that so long as minorities embrace racism and are so quick to play the race card, we'll never be able to rid ourselves of race divisions.

Agreed!

There's a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to so called racism. If I call a black person 'black' well some people here would accuse me of being racist I've actually HAD that argument here before

I'm white, I'm Irish... and I've no problem being called so... and if I DID have a problem, that's MY problem... not the person who CALLS it as it is :rolleyes:

Jeremy1012

At the end of the day, white people can be and have been included, The Streets for example. It's only the origin of the music that must be black.

I'm sure there are country music awards. The only difference is there is no exclusionism in the name. They are awards judged by white people of white music played by white musicians. The MOBOs are a celebration of a type of music which IS of black origin, there's no denying it. The name is not inherently racist. It's not the "Music exclusively for blacks by blacks Awards".

It might be too geared towards black musicians but then isn't that the nature of the music? If this awards ceremony took place in Africa, no one would be complaining. The music is here. Why shouldn't it be recognised?

As for there not being a "Music of White Origin" awards, there are few contemporary mainstream musical genres, ie those which could sustain a high-profile awards ceremony, that are of white origin. I agree that if such an awards ceremony was started, people would call it racist but that's ignorance on the part of the general public. The MOBOs aren't inherently racist either.

DOSW

The thing is, our culture is geared toward common white interests. Our culture IS white culture. That's why if we celebrated white culture, it would be redundant and pointless, which would lead to the belief that it was created for racist reasons.

Black culture, though, is a clear minority and is often viewed with disdain by non-blacks. That's why black people feel the need to celebrate it. They're the minority, and there's nothing wrong with banding together and celebrating your culture in a country where white culture is the norm.

I don't see the problem.

dunkman

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Dunk, I think you just described the BNP in the second half of your post.

AG, so far as what they were complaining about, well- I think anyone would rather do something by choice, rather than have it forced upon them,even if, yes, it's the same thing.

On the whole, I agree that so long as minorities embrace racism and are so quick to play the race card, we'll never be able to rid ourselves of race divisions. Relating racial profiling, this drives me a bit nuts. I totally understand where it can be abused, but come on now. Let's consider for a moment, the security at airports. We know why the security levels have been heightened so (taking it all at face value, I'm not even going to address who the real terrorist are) why do all us white folk get harrassed? I could have stated that a bit more delicately, but doesn't it take away from the ability to focus on people who would (again taking all this rubbish at face value) pose an actual threat?

i'm totally with you on the airport thing... unfortunately a tiny tiny minority of religious nutters have made it difficult for everyone to fly in a plane... but all of the suicide bombers have been of Middle Eastern/Pakistani origin, so why bother making me, who has never lived outside of Scotland, take off my shoes and my belt and answer questions about my bottle of Fanta... lets just admit that the terror groups are of a certain racial background, so concentrate efforts on them (which is unfortunate for the vast majority who havent done a bloody hting wrong) and this will enable us to go to fucking Benidorm or whatever much much quicker!!

as for the BNP bit... i agree also... if someone started a MOWO awards they would be called fascist, racist, BNP supporters, etc... but why cant white anglo saxons start a music awards that state that .... like folk music for instance... its predominately a white persons genre.. but there is no need or justification for calling their awards ceremony "The White Persons Folk Awards" ... it simply doesnt matter having things like the MOBO awards, etc just prolongs any racial divides imo.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

not the person who CALLS a spade a spade :rolleyes:

not the best choice of words Hells

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

not the best choice of words Hells

oops edited. That was NOT intentional... :eek: it's just an expression.

dunkman

Jeremy1012 wrote:

At the end of the day, white people can be and have been included, The Streets for example. It's only the origin of the music that must be black.

I'm sure there are country music awards. The only difference is there is no exclusionism in the name. They are awards judged by white people of white music played by white musicians. The MOBOs are a celebration of a type of music which IS of black origin, there's no denying it. The name is not inherently racist. It's not the "Music exclusively for blacks by blacks Awards".

It might be too geared towards black musicians but then isn't that the nature of the music? If this awards ceremony took place in Africa, no one would be complaining. The music is here. Why shouldn't it be recognised?

As for there not being a "Music of White Origin" awards, there are few contemporary mainstream musical genres, ie those which could sustain a high-profile awards ceremony, that are of white origin. I agree that if such an awards ceremony was started, people would call it racist but that's ignorance on the part of the general public. The MOBOs aren't inherently racist either.

good post. why not call it MOAO... music of African origin? its only one thing that i picked up on... the MOBO's ... i'm sure there are other things i could use... like what about Operation Black Vote?

Heineken Helen

DOSW wrote:

The thing is, our culture is geared toward common white interests. Our culture IS white culture. That's why if we celebrated white culture, it would be redundant and pointless, which would lead to the belief that it was created for racist reasons.

Black culture, though, is a clear minority and is often viewed with disdain by non-blacks. That's why black people feel the need to celebrate it. They're the minority, and there's nothing wrong with banding together and celebrating your culture in a country where white culture is the norm.

I don't see the problem.

it's often viewed with disdain by non-blacks? Don't you mean by racists? I don't think many people have a problem with black culture. Much of the music played in pubs and clubs IS of black origin... and people seem to love it! You're suggesting it as more of a way to fight back against the larger culture... which is pointless and will go nowhere.

melodious

know1 wrote:

Very racist indeed. Let's stop putting race-based labels on people. They make no sense nowadays since everyone is mixed anyway.

how's bout no labels???

good day...

g under p

Heineken Helen wrote:

Agreed!

There's a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to so called racism. If I call a black person 'black' well some people here would accuse me of being racist I've actually HAD that argument here before

I'm white, I'm Irish... and I've no problem being called so... and if I DID have a problem, that's MY problem... not the person who CALLS a spade a spade :rolleyes:

Judge: Why do you people call yourselves black? You look more brown than black.
Steve Biko: Why do you call yourselves white? You look more pink than white....from the movie Cry Freedom

I sometimes hesitate in saying black or African American but i just say black to get straight to the point and i'm black so go figure.

Peace

Heineken Helen

g under p wrote:

Judge: Why do you people call yourselves black? You look more brown than black.
Steve Biko: Why do you call yourselves white? You look more pink than white....from the movie Cry Freedom

I sometimes hesitate in saying black or African American but i just say black to get straight to the point and i'm black so go figure.

Peace

I know... it's true! I'm definitely more pink than white... but there are probably some people who'd be offended by being called brown too . No matter what you say you're gonna offend somebody somewhere! I just think there's too much pc bullshit in the world... but if one 'race' is not allowed behave a certain way cos another 'race' disapproves... but then that other 'race' does the same thing... well at the very least it's hypocritical