it is complete bullshit that there is no Honky College Fund.. or any others for that matter. It is completely racists but since we are white, and forever ago other white people enslaved black people, it is okay and acceptable in our society. Black people not only have the same opportunities but MORE, and that IS RACISTS. My great grandma was a full blooded Indian but do i go around asking for a hand out because white man fucked up my shit too? No, i dont. Why? Because it was so long ago that its really irrelevant now. Everyone has access to the same public schools and jobs.
"Do you not understand that this is no different than say, I don't know, everyone's favorite St Patrick's day celebrations? A big green parade.
Or the Puerto Rican Day Parade or the Gay Rights march, etc.
They are celebrating their specific culture.
Why is this a bone of contention with you? Is it directly affecting you?"
I'll go ahead and comment on this. Why does it offend her? Probably for the same reason it offends me. If i started W.E.T, had a few months of the year deemed "White Heritage" month... if i had a Car place that would help young white Americans like myself afford a vehicle, i might as well be wearing a white sheet and burning crosses. It is complete bullshit. You cannot have your racist cake and eat it to and i'm so sick of black Americans being the reason why our cultures will never be able to walk and live in harmony. Black people are killing MLK's dream. I am sorry but that is the straight up truth. I live in Georgia and let me tell you something. There are WAY WAY WAY more racist black people here than white.By far. You can't call what we (white people) do segregation and the call what you are doing "Just celebrating your culture" Not only is it hypocritical but it keeps the stigma that we ALL have been trying to rid our self's of for decades.
it is complete bullshit that there is no Honky College Fund.. or any others for that matter. It is completely racists but since we are white, and forever ago other white people enslaved black people, it is okay and acceptable in our society. Black people not only have the same opportunities but MORE, and that IS RACISTS. My great grandma was a full blooded Indian but do i go around asking for a hand out because white man fucked up my shit too? No, i dont. Why? Because it was so long ago that its really irrelevant now. Everyone has access to the same public schools and jobs.
"Do you not understand that this is no different than say, I don't know, everyone's favorite St Patrick's day celebrations? A big green parade.
Or the Puerto Rican Day Parade or the Gay Rights march, etc.
They are celebrating their specific culture.
Why is this a bone of contention with you? Is it directly affecting you?"
I'll go ahead and comment on this. Why does it offend her? Probably for the same reason it offends me. If i started W.E.T, had a few months of the year deemed "White Heritage" month... if i had a Car place that would help young white Americans like myself afford a vehicle, i might as well be wearing a white sheet and burning crosses. Its complete bullshit. You cannot have your racist cake and eat it to and i'm so sick of black Americans being the reason why our cultures will never be able to walk and live in harmony. Black people are killing MLK's dream. I am sorry but that is the straight up truth. I live in Georgia and let me tell you something. There are WAY WAY WAY more racist black people here than white.By far. You can't call what we (white people) do segregation and the call what you are doing "Just celebrating your culture" Not only is it hypocritical but it keeps the stigma that we ALL have been trying to rid our self's of for decades.
Holy crap.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Jamie, your crack about music from non-cracker origin was cute.
Back to the post I quoted. Do you not understand that they are a different culture? Do you not understand that this is no different than say, I don't know, everyone's favorite St Patrick's day celebrations? A big green parade.
Or the Puerto Rican Day Parade or the Gay Rights march, etc.
They are celebrating their specific culture.
Why is this a bone of contention with you? Is it directly affecting you?
A tv Channel that only shows Black programs only is not a celebration. Its racist! Let me try to start something that is whilte only and see what happens...."Oh! But its a white man celebration! Whats the problem?"
See my point?
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
A tv Channel that only shows Black programs only is not a celebration. Its racist! Let me try to start something that is whilte only and see what happens...."Oh! But its a white man celebration! Whats the problem?"
See my point?
Perhaps there are black channels because they are, as a minority, a niche market and there are channels for plenty of other niche markets? Do you find Chinese news channels, broadcast in America for Chinese Americans racist too, or is your quarrel only with blacks?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
You have black people over there.
And let's not let semantics get in the way.
Just words.
Titles.
What should they call it then?
It's not up to me to give it a name.
The ironic thing is that, you and I agree on a lot of things, but you would be the first one to call it un PC were this a white organisation. What I wanna know is why is it ok if it's a black organisation? I just wish people would practice what they preach (not you)
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Whats the problem?
How is she wrong? Sounds about right to me?
Question? Have you ever spent time around many minorities? I mean on a daily basis? Answer that before I respond please.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Perhaps there are black channels because they are, as a minority, a niche market and there are channels for plenty of other niche markets? Do you find Chinese news channels, broadcast in America for Chinese Americans racist too, or is your quarrel only with blacks?
There are Chinese channels that are from CHINA! Not Chinese American channels. Blacks in America are AMERICAN! So are we. If we are all equal then WE ARE ALL EQUAL. You make no sense here.
What about the white niche market?
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
it is complete bullshit that there is no Honky College Fund.. or any others for that matter. It is completely racists but since we are white, and forever ago other white people enslaved black people, it is okay and acceptable in our society. Black people not only have the same opportunities but MORE, and that IS RACISTS. My great grandma was a full blooded Indian but do i go around asking for a hand out because white man fucked up my shit too? No, i dont. Why? Because it was so long ago that its really irrelevant now. Everyone has access to the same public schools and jobs.
I'm Irish now living in the UK so am actually officially an 'ethnic minority' at the mo ... but, while I know my rights and will make sure I get them, I also know what's over the top and counter productive.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
A tv Channel that only shows Black programs only is not a celebration. Its racist! Let me try to start something that is whilte only and see what happens...."Oh! But its a white man celebration! Whats the problem?"
See my point?
Do Spanish speaking radio stations bother you?
Or how about when you are listening to a public broadcast radio station and the programming goes from folk music to hip hop?
Does Lifetime for WOMEN bother you?
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Perhaps there are black channels because they are, as a minority, a niche market and there are channels for plenty of other niche markets? Do you find Chinese news channels, broadcast in America for Chinese Americans racist too, or is your quarrel only with blacks?
There is no quarrel. This is just a discussion. Sure, it's great that everyone stands up for their rights and I will support everyone who does so. BUT there is also a point when it goes so far... and if you're the person who's complaining about segregation, then please do not come up with organisations or titles that segregate you even further. It's not just up to the MAJORITY to integrate.... THAT'S the important part.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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Perhaps there are black channels because they are, as a minority, a niche market and there are channels for plenty of other niche markets? Do you find Chinese news channels, broadcast in America for Chinese Americans racist too, or is your quarrel only with blacks?
....Or a channel like Telamundo for Hispanics, it's just simply their niche audience. He appears to only target the black audience. Was there ever a problem when there was hardly ever a black face on network television or would you rather we go back to those times?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Whats the problem?
How is she wrong? Sounds about right to me?
Question? Have you ever spent time around many minorities? I mean on a daily basis? Answer that before I respond please.
I live on a South London estate which has a largely black majority, so yes. Why?
ps, don't say they aren't a minority then, it's this area specifically. The borough I live in is still 65% white.
oh, and as to how she is wrong, I just find the notion that black people are now on an even footing to be kind of funny. It's funny to see how the ratio changes here in London with a simple bus ride north of the river.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
A tv Channel that only shows Black programs only is not a celebration. Its racist! Let me try to start something that is whilte only and see what happens...."Oh! But its a white man celebration! Whats the problem?"
See my point?
What is a "black programme"?
And are you allowed to watch those "black" programmes or is it only for black people?
The ironic thing is that, you and I agree on a lot of things, but you would be the first one to call it un PC were this a white organisation. What I wanna know is why is it ok if it's a black organisation? I just wish people would practice what they preach (not you)
I have cut back on the pc stuff Helen.
But I don't see the problem seeing as it is not affecting anyone's way of life to have an awards show strictly for music of black origin.
And if people think that it is a level playing field for everyone in this country, then they have their head shoved up where the sun don't shine.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Do Spanish speaking radio stations bother you?
Or how about when you are listening to a public broadcast radio station and the programming goes from folk music to hip hop?
Does Lifetime for WOMEN bother you?
I can't speak for acoustic guy but I can tell you that signs which popped up in Irish companies over the past couple of years advertising that they're hiring IN POLISH bother me. I've no problem with people integrating... and sharing cultures... no matter where they're from. BUT when minorities are priority above the majority that is NOT gonna end well. For the record, I'm blaming the government, not the immigrants... but they're only asking for trouble by doing this.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
There are Chinese channels that are from CHINA! Not Chinese American channels. Blacks in America are AMERICAN! So are we. If we are all equal then WE ARE ALL EQUAL. You make no sense here.
What about the white niche market?
Maybe you don't get them in America then. Here on satellite TV there are Chinese channels, asian channels, afro-carribbean channels filmed IN the UK for those in the population that fit into those ethnicities.
I do NOT feel discriminated against that there isn't an equivalent that is aimed specifically at white British people.
As for your final comment, I don't think you understand my point about niche markets.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I have cut back on the pc stuff Helen.
But I don't see the problem seeing as it is not affecting anyone's way of life to have an awards show strictly for music of black origin.
And if people think that it is a level playing field for everyone in this country, then they have their head shoved up where the sun don't shine.
well done!
Oh don't get me wrong, I know what wrongs have been done... and I know there's a long way to go to rectify those wrongs and for people to TRULY be equal... but you're never gonna achieve equality by segregating YOURSELF... whether you're the minority or the majority!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Do Spanish speaking radio stations bother you?
Or how about when you are listening to a public broadcast radio station and the programming goes from folk music to hip hop?
Does Lifetime for WOMEN bother you?
No they don't. The point I am making is that the black people in America (not all) are very quick to call a white man racist because we do something that is revolved around white people. But if the rolls are reversed its okay. I think that is racist as hell. I would not have a problem with BET if we had a WET. I don't even need the actual channel, but I want it to be okay if their was one.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I can't speak for acoustic guy but I can tell you that signs which popped up in Irish companies over the past couple of years advertising that they're hiring IN POLISH bother me. I've no problem with people integrating... and sharing cultures... no matter where they're from. BUT when minorities are priority above the majority that is NOT gonna end well. For the record, I'm blaming the government, not the immigrants... but they're only asking for trouble by doing this.
But that is not what this thread is about.
We are talking about whether or not people feel it is racist to have awards shows just for black people.
Stay on course sister.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
There is no quarrel. This is just a discussion. Sure, it's great that everyone stands up for their rights and I will support everyone who does so. BUT there is also a point when it goes so far... and if you're the person who's complaining about segregation, then please do not come up with organisations or titles that segregate you even further. It's not just up to the MAJORITY to integrate.... THAT'S the important part.
I don't disagree with you in any way, or your argument. I was addressing acoustic guy specifically. His responses in this thread are rather less balanced than yours and I was curious to know the answer to the question I asked him.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Maybe you don't get them in America then. Here on satellite TV there are Chinese channels, asian channels, afro-carribbean channels filmed IN the UK for those in the population that fit into those ethnicities.
I do NOT feel discriminated against that there isn't an equivalent that is aimed specifically at white British people.
As for your final comment, I don't think you understand my point about niche markets.
Those channels do not offend me. Again in America if its a white thing its racist. If its a black thing its okay. Thats not right.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
No they don't. The point I am making is that the black people in America (not all) are very quick to call a white man racist because we do something that is revolved around white people. But if the rolls are reversed its okay. I think that is racist as hell. I would not have a problem with BET if we had a WET. I don't even need the actual channel, but I want it to be okay if their was one.
I am not sure I understand.
I mean, I do, but where has someone wanted to start an awards show just for white people?
And by level playing field I mean wma is going to get the job before bma or even wfa 9x out of 10.
And thinking that is wrong, is denial.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
But that is not what this thread is about.
We are talking about whether or not people feel it is racist to have awards shows just for black people.
Stay on course sister.
I was just answering your post re. Spanish speaking radio stations, folk music and women
So yeh, I'LL stay on course re. the black music awards
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Soon, whites will become the minority in the U.S. Then whites can have their own organizations and awards.
We from our age group just won't around (that's around 2050) to enjoy that turnaround.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I don't disagree with you in any way, or your argument. I was addressing acoustic guy specifically. His responses in this thread are rather less balanced than yours and I was curious to know the answer to the question I asked him.
in acoustic guys defense I pick and choose my words very carefully in threads like this cos I know how easily people read between the words and the lines... (and that's even takin into account that I called a spade a spade ) but I think he's just treating it like every other thread where you say what you think and forget that people are gonna take every word at face value! There are issues on national AND local levels everywhere that SHOULD be discussed rather than letting them get into a big issue which, I believe, is more likely to make people racist.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Man, If I met you all in person you would try to burn me at the stake between my political views and my color views! LOL
Again, you would try.
Not really. I have no personal problem with you and I don't think your views are particularly dangerous, just alien to me. If you had a large following, astounding oratorical skills and a megaphone then I might feel a bit uneasy. At the moment, we're just having a discussion. No burning being called for here.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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"Do you not understand that this is no different than say, I don't know, everyone's favorite St Patrick's day celebrations? A big green parade.
Or the Puerto Rican Day Parade or the Gay Rights march, etc.
They are celebrating their specific culture.
Why is this a bone of contention with you? Is it directly affecting you?"
I'll go ahead and comment on this. Why does it offend her? Probably for the same reason it offends me. If i started W.E.T, had a few months of the year deemed "White Heritage" month... if i had a Car place that would help young white Americans like myself afford a vehicle, i might as well be wearing a white sheet and burning crosses. It is complete bullshit. You cannot have your racist cake and eat it to and i'm so sick of black Americans being the reason why our cultures will never be able to walk and live in harmony. Black people are killing MLK's dream. I am sorry but that is the straight up truth. I live in Georgia and let me tell you something. There are WAY WAY WAY more racist black people here than white.By far. You can't call what we (white people) do segregation and the call what you are doing "Just celebrating your culture" Not only is it hypocritical but it keeps the stigma that we ALL have been trying to rid our self's of for decades.
See my point?
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
The ironic thing is that, you and I agree on a lot of things, but you would be the first one to call it un PC were this a white organisation. What I wanna know is why is it ok if it's a black organisation? I just wish people would practice what they preach (not you)
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
How is she wrong? Sounds about right to me?
Question? Have you ever spent time around many minorities? I mean on a daily basis? Answer that before I respond please.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
What about the white niche market?
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Or how about when you are listening to a public broadcast radio station and the programming goes from folk music to hip hop?
Does Lifetime for WOMEN bother you?
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
....Or a channel like Telamundo for Hispanics, it's just simply their niche audience. He appears to only target the black audience. Was there ever a problem when there was hardly ever a black face on network television or would you rather we go back to those times?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
ps, don't say they aren't a minority then, it's this area specifically. The borough I live in is still 65% white.
oh, and as to how she is wrong, I just find the notion that black people are now on an even footing to be kind of funny. It's funny to see how the ratio changes here in London with a simple bus ride north of the river.
What is a "black programme"?
And are you allowed to watch those "black" programmes or is it only for black people?
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But I don't see the problem seeing as it is not affecting anyone's way of life to have an awards show strictly for music of black origin.
And if people think that it is a level playing field for everyone in this country, then they have their head shoved up where the sun don't shine.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I do NOT feel discriminated against that there isn't an equivalent that is aimed specifically at white British people.
As for your final comment, I don't think you understand my point about niche markets.
Oh don't get me wrong, I know what wrongs have been done... and I know there's a long way to go to rectify those wrongs and for people to TRULY be equal... but you're never gonna achieve equality by segregating YOURSELF... whether you're the minority or the majority!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
We are talking about whether or not people feel it is racist to have awards shows just for black people.
Stay on course sister.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Again, you would try.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I mean, I do, but where has someone wanted to start an awards show just for white people?
And by level playing field I mean wma is going to get the job before bma or even wfa 9x out of 10.
And thinking that is wrong, is denial.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
So yeh, I'LL stay on course re. the black music awards
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
We from our age group just won't around (that's around 2050) to enjoy that turnaround.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I'd like to see an America were there are no selective, race-specific awards, shows and organizations. We're all human beings.
The Human Race.