Man, If I met you all in person you would try to burn me at the stake between my political views and my color views! LOL
Again, you would try.
No way, in fact you're the kind of person with your views I'd like to meet, a far more interesting meeting to me. Your views some of them are different than mine so I'd look forward to hearing more of them.
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
in acoustic guys defense I pick and choose my words very carefully in threads like this cos I know how easily people read between the words and the lines... (and that's even takin into account that I called a spade a spade ) but I think he's just treating it like every other thread where you say what you think and forget that people are gonna take every word at face value! There are issues on national AND local levels everywhere that SHOULD be discussed rather than letting them get into a big issue which, I believe, is more likely to make people racist.
I appreciate that but my concern here isn't that, if I pick apart his wording meticulously, I can find things that sound a bit racist to pin on him, it's that the blunt synopsis of a lot of the things he posts here, while not maliciously racist, and I genuinely don't think he is, are a bit ignorant. If you're going to post on a political board and you are prone to voicing contentious opinions, you have to expect some backlash. I'm not talking about the PC brigade trash-talking because of some gypsy thread he might have made a while back, I mean people who read the posts, disagree with him and then respond. They shouldn't have to hold their tongue in case someone else comes along and says "this happens every time, the PC brigade are here" That's not directed at you by the way. Even though we seem to differ in our opinions a lot of the time, I don't recall ever finding anything you've ever said offensive or ignorant. Just different to my own opinions
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
No way, in fact you're the kind of person with your views I'd like to meet, a far more interesting meeting to me. Your views some of them are different than mine so I'd look forward to hearing more of them.
peace
I definitely think we should all discuss this over a few pints
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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I'd like to see an America were there are no selective, race-specific awards, shows and organizations. We're all human beings.
The Human Race.
Again...my license plates...STYHUMN
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I am not sure I understand.
I mean, I do, but where has someone wanted to start an awards show just for white people?
And by level playing field I mean wma is going to get the job before bma or even wfa 9x out of 10.
And thinking that is wrong, is denial.
You are wrong. IE... To be a Fireman in Atlantic City is Awesome. You work part time and get full time pay. Many guys try to be one. Well the NAACP thought their were not enough black men being hired so they made a fuss about it. Well. After an investigation, they saw that they were not hired because they did not do well in the tests. Their is a written test, a physical and a phychological one. They scored the worst on all of them. So the NAACP thought we should make the test easier. Finally after many complaints they said fine and made it easier. Well guess what happened? They STILL did not pass and they made a bigger fuss.
Total bullshit. So a white guy trains harder and studies harder to pass and its racist? Bullshit. Total bullshit.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I appreciate that but my concern here isn't that, if I pick apart his wording meticulously, I can find things that sound a bit racist to pin on him, it's that the blunt synopsis of a lot of the things he posts here, while not maliciously racist, and I genuinely don't think he is, are a bit ignorant. If you're going to post on a political board and you are prone to voicing contentious opinions, you have to expect some backlash. I'm not talking about the PC brigade trash-talking because of some gypsy thread he might have made a while back, I mean people who read the posts, disagree with him and then respond. They shouldn't have to hold their tongue in case someone else comes along and says "this happens every time, the PC brigade are here" That's not directed at you by the way. Even though we seem to differ in our opinions a lot of the time, I don't recall ever finding anything you've ever said offensive or ignorant. Just different to my own opinions
Thanks that's cool... so acoustic guy... what you got to say for yourself?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Not really. I have no personal problem with you and I don't think your views are particularly dangerous, just alien to me. If you had a large following, astounding oratorical skills and a megaphone then I might feel a bit uneasy. At the moment, we're just having a discussion. No burning being called for here.
LMAO
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Lol, seriously I love watching you try to dig out of the shit you get into on here
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Lol, seriously I love watching you try to dig out of the shit you get into on here
Try? ta hell with that. Why do you think I wear tall boots? No one agrees with me in this room.
Thats why I usually stay in the AET. There we keep it lite and fun! LOL
It depends which mood I am in.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Well, if all the instruments that comprise an orchestra were designed and developed by black men d'you think old whitey'd get away with saying it was music of white origin? Hmmm...
From what I've seen of the MOBO's over the years it's more like a celebration of black american youth culture with some mundane 'urban' stuff thrown in.
Perhaps there are black channels because they are, as a minority, a niche market and there are channels for plenty of other niche markets? Do you find Chinese news channels, broadcast in America for Chinese Americans racist too, or is your quarrel only with blacks?
Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.
where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?
would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
But that is not what this thread is about.
We are talking about whether or not people feel it is racist to have awards shows just for black people.
Stay on course sister.
awards shows was just one of the things i pointed out.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.
where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?
would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?
The thing is, there are significant social and economic disadvantages for black people here in the US. If the same kind of disadvantages existed for white people in other countries, there would be plenty of white support groups there too.
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.
where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?
would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?
There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.
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And I don't feel right when you're gone away
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There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.
Where over 70% died on there where here in te USh and that was just part of doing business in the slave trade.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
You are wrong. IE... To be a Fireman in Atlantic City is Awesome. You work part time and get full time pay. Many guys try to be one. Well the NAACP thought their were not enough black men being hired so they made a fuss about it. Well. After an investigation, they saw that they were not hired because they did not do well in the tests. Their is a written test, a physical and a physiological one. They scored the worst on all of them. So the NAACP thought we should make the test easier. Finally after many complaints they said fine and made it easier. Well guess what happened? They STILL did not pass and they made a bigger fuss.
Total bullshit. So a white guy trains harder and studies harder to pass and its racist? Bullshit. Total bullshit.
What? No one wants to tell me I am wrong about this???
Thats what I thought.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.
I'm pretty sure that doesnt happen these days... i think black immigrants these days come through choice.. and African-Americans are more American than African if they have been here since the slave days.
this happened 300 years ago... which was when english landowners were stripping scottish farmers of their land and forcing them to starve to death... i feel we have got over it... perhaps its time for a great americanism and have 'closure' on the whole slavery thing?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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This is a job advert from my local council.. i think i have seen approx 8 black people in my entire life (in my local area). Black people just dont live in rural Scotland.
so with this type of positive discrimination, if i went for a job along with 13 other white guys and 1 black guy... and there were 3 jobs on offer... the black guy would get a job... regardless of the other qualities of the remaining candidates.
thats pretty crap... what ever happened to best man/woman for the job? his skin colour shouldnt even come into the equation...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I'm pretty sure that doesnt happen these days... i think black immigrants these days come through choice.. and African-Americans are more American than African if they have been here since the slave days.
this happened 300 years ago... which was when english landowners were stripping scottish farmers of their land and forcing them to starve to death... i feel we have got over it... perhaps its time for a great americanism and have 'closure' on the whole slavery thing?
Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago. The great grandchildren of slaves are alive in this country.
It is not my place to judge how someone wants to view and celebrate the history of their people. Accoustic Guy's favorite month must be February. lol
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago. The great grandchildren of slaves are alive in this country.
It is not my place to judge how someone wants to view and celebrate the history of their people. Accoustic Guy's favorite month must be February. lol
It is! Its my birthday month!
I am not racist woman. I have a reason to feel the way I do but its not racist.
I agree they learn from their elders and they need to understand where they came from. But, The people today who were NEVER slaves act like they are owed something for what they have been through. They have not been through shit! They have only been given everything. We bend over backwards for the minorities and yet they want more and call out racisism every chance they get.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
It is! Its my birthday month!
I am not racist woman. I have a reason to feel the way I do but its not racist.
I agree they learn from their elders and they need to understand where they came from. But, The people today who were NEVER slaves act like they are owed something for what they have been through. They have not been through shit! They have only been given everything. We bend over backwards for the minorities and yet they want more and call out racisism every chance they get.
We had our very own apartheid, here in America.
Blacks were forced to live in ghettos. They were segregated and alienated by the country they were a part of.
The happened in this century and is continued today.
Read about the Great Migration and you will learn how blacks were treated post civil war, up here in the great North where we fought for their supposed freedom. We denied them services, access to markets and refused mortgages where in many cases they had the money.
I don't think you are a racist. I never said that. Never having met you, I don't find it in my best interest to judge you.
I don't know if you want to or even like plays. But if you come across some of the work of August Wilson, particularly a play called Fences, you will find what it was like to live in a ghetto.
oops....meant last century. my how time flies.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Slavery 'ended' in the US around 1865. That was about 145 years ago.
oh are we only talking about American black people now? how unamerican of me to forget that of course this discussion, which i started off by using the MOBO's, a british prisoners group and a black only British political voting group, would of course turn to America.
Scotland abolished slavery in 1807... 200 years ago.. forgive my error... still a long time ago and as far back as 1777 Scotland had a famous case in which a black man was given his freedom as slavery was not recognised under Scots Law.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh are we only talking about American black people now? how unamerican of me to forget that of course this discussion, which i started off by using the MOBO's, a british prisoners group and a black only political voting group, would of course turn to America.
Scotland abolished slavery in 1807... 200 years ago.. forgive my error... still a long time ago and as far back as 1777 Scotland had a famous case in which a black man was given his freedom as slavery was not recognised under Scots Law.
You were talking about African Americans being more American.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
You were talking about African Americans being more American.
only because you said:-
There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.
i dont live in your here, i live here... or something.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.
i dont live in your here, i live here... or something.
Because you had replied to Jamie about him asking about whether or not ag's ish was wish other 'minority' groups or something like that.
My apologies.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
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No way, in fact you're the kind of person with your views I'd like to meet, a far more interesting meeting to me. Your views some of them are different than mine so I'd look forward to hearing more of them.
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Again...my license plates...STYHUMN
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Total bullshit. So a white guy trains harder and studies harder to pass and its racist? Bullshit. Total bullshit.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Lol, seriously I love watching you try to dig out of the shit you get into on here
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Thats why I usually stay in the AET. There we keep it lite and fun! LOL
It depends which mood I am in.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
From what I've seen of the MOBO's over the years it's more like a celebration of black american youth culture with some mundane 'urban' stuff thrown in.
Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.
where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?
would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?
awards shows was just one of the things i pointed out.
The thing is, there are significant social and economic disadvantages for black people here in the US. If the same kind of disadvantages existed for white people in other countries, there would be plenty of white support groups there too.
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And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Where over 70% died on there where here in te USh and that was just part of doing business in the slave trade.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Thats what I thought.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I'm pretty sure that doesnt happen these days... i think black immigrants these days come through choice.. and African-Americans are more American than African if they have been here since the slave days.
this happened 300 years ago... which was when english landowners were stripping scottish farmers of their land and forcing them to starve to death... i feel we have got over it... perhaps its time for a great americanism and have 'closure' on the whole slavery thing?
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Employing minorities
Have you got what it takes to be a firefighter?
Come and find out for yourself.
You might be surprised at the qualities we look for in a firefighter.
Do you like working in your Community, listening and educating people? These days preventing fires is just as important as fighting them….
If you’re the person we’re looking for you’ll be earning over £26,000 once you have qualified, and have excellent career prospects.
We would particularly like to invite women and people from ethnic minority groups to join us.
Dumfries and Galloway Fire and Rescue Service is an Equal Opportunities employer. This means we are active in redressing the current imbalance of our workforce to reflect the communities we serve
This is a job advert from my local council.. i think i have seen approx 8 black people in my entire life (in my local area). Black people just dont live in rural Scotland.
so with this type of positive discrimination, if i went for a job along with 13 other white guys and 1 black guy... and there were 3 jobs on offer... the black guy would get a job... regardless of the other qualities of the remaining candidates.
thats pretty crap... what ever happened to best man/woman for the job? his skin colour shouldnt even come into the equation...
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
It is not my place to judge how someone wants to view and celebrate the history of their people. Accoustic Guy's favorite month must be February. lol
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I am not racist woman. I have a reason to feel the way I do but its not racist.
I agree they learn from their elders and they need to understand where they came from. But, The people today who were NEVER slaves act like they are owed something for what they have been through. They have not been through shit! They have only been given everything. We bend over backwards for the minorities and yet they want more and call out racisism every chance they get.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I can't believe a thread about MOBO awards turned into this, but anyhoots...
The only minority we bend over backwards for is the 10% of the population who owns about 90% of all the wealth.
Blacks were forced to live in ghettos. They were segregated and alienated by the country they were a part of.
The happened in this century and is continued today.
Read about the Great Migration and you will learn how blacks were treated post civil war, up here in the great North where we fought for their supposed freedom. We denied them services, access to markets and refused mortgages where in many cases they had the money.
I don't think you are a racist. I never said that. Never having met you, I don't find it in my best interest to judge you.
I don't know if you want to or even like plays. But if you come across some of the work of August Wilson, particularly a play called Fences, you will find what it was like to live in a ghetto.
oops....meant last century.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
oh are we only talking about American black people now? how unamerican of me to forget that of course this discussion, which i started off by using the MOBO's, a british prisoners group and a black only British political voting group, would of course turn to America.
Scotland abolished slavery in 1807... 200 years ago.. forgive my error... still a long time ago and as far back as 1777 Scotland had a famous case in which a black man was given his freedom as slavery was not recognised under Scots Law.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
only because you said:-
There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.
i dont live in your here, i live here... or something.
My apologies.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away