Selective Racism

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acoustic guy wrote:

Man, If I met you all in person you would try to burn me at the stake between my political views and my color views! LOL
Again, you would try.

No way, in fact you're the kind of person with your views I'd like to meet, a far more interesting meeting to me. Your views some of them are different than mine so I'd look forward to hearing more of them.

peace

Jeremy1012

Heineken Helen wrote:

in acoustic guys defense I pick and choose my words very carefully in threads like this cos I know how easily people read between the words and the lines... (and that's even takin into account that I called a spade a spade ) but I think he's just treating it like every other thread where you say what you think and forget that people are gonna take every word at face value! There are issues on national AND local levels everywhere that SHOULD be discussed rather than letting them get into a big issue which, I believe, is more likely to make people racist.

I appreciate that but my concern here isn't that, if I pick apart his wording meticulously, I can find things that sound a bit racist to pin on him, it's that the blunt synopsis of a lot of the things he posts here, while not maliciously racist, and I genuinely don't think he is, are a bit ignorant. If you're going to post on a political board and you are prone to voicing contentious opinions, you have to expect some backlash. I'm not talking about the PC brigade trash-talking because of some gypsy thread he might have made a while back, I mean people who read the posts, disagree with him and then respond. They shouldn't have to hold their tongue in case someone else comes along and says "this happens every time, the PC brigade are here" That's not directed at you by the way. Even though we seem to differ in our opinions a lot of the time, I don't recall ever finding anything you've ever said offensive or ignorant. Just different to my own opinions

Heineken Helen

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No way, in fact you're the kind of person with your views I'd like to meet, a far more interesting meeting to me. Your views some of them are different than mine so I'd look forward to hearing more of them.

peace

I definitely think we should all discuss this over a few pints

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NMyTree wrote:

I'd like to see an America were there are no selective, race-specific awards, shows and organizations. We're all human beings.

The Human Race.

Again...my license plates...STYHUMN

Peace

acoustic guy

TrixieCat wrote:

I am not sure I understand.
I mean, I do, but where has someone wanted to start an awards show just for white people?

And by level playing field I mean wma is going to get the job before bma or even wfa 9x out of 10.
And thinking that is wrong, is denial.

You are wrong. IE... To be a Fireman in Atlantic City is Awesome. You work part time and get full time pay. Many guys try to be one. Well the NAACP thought their were not enough black men being hired so they made a fuss about it. Well. After an investigation, they saw that they were not hired because they did not do well in the tests. Their is a written test, a physical and a phychological one. They scored the worst on all of them. So the NAACP thought we should make the test easier. Finally after many complaints they said fine and made it easier. Well guess what happened? They STILL did not pass and they made a bigger fuss.
Total bullshit. So a white guy trains harder and studies harder to pass and its racist? Bullshit. Total bullshit.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I appreciate that but my concern here isn't that, if I pick apart his wording meticulously, I can find things that sound a bit racist to pin on him, it's that the blunt synopsis of a lot of the things he posts here, while not maliciously racist, and I genuinely don't think he is, are a bit ignorant. If you're going to post on a political board and you are prone to voicing contentious opinions, you have to expect some backlash. I'm not talking about the PC brigade trash-talking because of some gypsy thread he might have made a while back, I mean people who read the posts, disagree with him and then respond. They shouldn't have to hold their tongue in case someone else comes along and says "this happens every time, the PC brigade are here" That's not directed at you by the way. Even though we seem to differ in our opinions a lot of the time, I don't recall ever finding anything you've ever said offensive or ignorant. Just different to my own opinions

Thanks that's cool... so acoustic guy... what you got to say for yourself?

acoustic guy

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Not really. I have no personal problem with you and I don't think your views are particularly dangerous, just alien to me. If you had a large following, astounding oratorical skills and a megaphone then I might feel a bit uneasy. At the moment, we're just having a discussion. No burning being called for here.

LMAO

acoustic guy

Heineken Helen wrote:

Thanks that's cool... so acoustic guy... what you got to say for yourself?

You can all go to hell! Juuuust kiddinggggg!

Heineken Helen

acoustic guy wrote:

You can all go to hell! Juuuust kiddinggggg!

See ya there

Lol, seriously I love watching you try to dig out of the shit you get into on here

acoustic guy

Heineken Helen wrote:

See ya there

Lol, seriously I love watching you try to dig out of the shit you get into on here

Try? ta hell with that. Why do you think I wear tall boots? No one agrees with me in this room.
Thats why I usually stay in the AET. There we keep it lite and fun! LOL
It depends which mood I am in.

elmer

Well, if all the instruments that comprise an orchestra were designed and developed by black men d'you think old whitey'd get away with saying it was music of white origin? Hmmm...

From what I've seen of the MOBO's over the years it's more like a celebration of black american youth culture with some mundane 'urban' stuff thrown in.

dunkman

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Perhaps there are black channels because they are, as a minority, a niche market and there are channels for plenty of other niche markets? Do you find Chinese news channels, broadcast in America for Chinese Americans racist too, or is your quarrel only with blacks?

Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.

where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?

would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?

dunkman

TrixieCat wrote:

But that is not what this thread is about.
We are talking about whether or not people feel it is racist to have awards shows just for black people.
Stay on course sister.

awards shows was just one of the things i pointed out.

DOSW

dunkman wrote:

Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.

where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?

would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?

The thing is, there are significant social and economic disadvantages for black people here in the US. If the same kind of disadvantages existed for white people in other countries, there would be plenty of white support groups there too.

Collin

It's not racism, it's hypocrisy.

TrixieCat

dunkman wrote:

Do they have the "white mans channel" in Nigeria? nope, didnt thinks so.

where is the White Persons In Japan Support Group next meeting? there isnt one? weird... surely a white man in Japan is a minority?

would it be insensitive if i moved to Ethiopia and start my White People Fatfighters Group?

There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.

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TrixieCat wrote:

There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.

Where over 70% died on there where here in te USh and that was just part of doing business in the slave trade.

Peace

acoustic guy

acoustic guy wrote:

You are wrong. IE... To be a Fireman in Atlantic City is Awesome. You work part time and get full time pay. Many guys try to be one. Well the NAACP thought their were not enough black men being hired so they made a fuss about it. Well. After an investigation, they saw that they were not hired because they did not do well in the tests. Their is a written test, a physical and a physiological one. They scored the worst on all of them. So the NAACP thought we should make the test easier. Finally after many complaints they said fine and made it easier. Well guess what happened? They STILL did not pass and they made a bigger fuss.
Total bullshit. So a white guy trains harder and studies harder to pass and its racist? Bullshit. Total bullshit.

What? No one wants to tell me I am wrong about this???
Thats what I thought.

dunkman

TrixieCat wrote:

There is a big difference between your moving to Ethiopia and a race of people uplifted from their home and herded onto ships like animals before being displaced here.

I'm pretty sure that doesnt happen these days... i think black immigrants these days come through choice.. and African-Americans are more American than African if they have been here since the slave days.

this happened 300 years ago... which was when english landowners were stripping scottish farmers of their land and forcing them to starve to death... i feel we have got over it... perhaps its time for a great americanism and have 'closure' on the whole slavery thing?

dunkman

acoustic guy wrote:

What? No one wants to tell me I am wrong about this???
Thats what I thought.

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This is a job advert from my local council.. i think i have seen approx 8 black people in my entire life (in my local area). Black people just dont live in rural Scotland.

so with this type of positive discrimination, if i went for a job along with 13 other white guys and 1 black guy... and there were 3 jobs on offer... the black guy would get a job... regardless of the other qualities of the remaining candidates.

thats pretty crap... what ever happened to best man/woman for the job? his skin colour shouldnt even come into the equation...