stupid americans

baraka

CorporateWhore wrote:

The new generation assimilates? Bullshit.

What about the muslim youth that were born, raised, and educated in Britain only to blow themselves up in the Underground? Was it because they couldn't find a job that they did that?

Or was it because they were raised in Islamic extremism, with no love or patriotism of Britain? They were Arabs first, not Britons.

You socialists can claim all you want that the Muslims are not assimilating because they're "just not very wealthy," but when your country goes back into the stoneages after a majority of Muslims impose Islamic law on you, I won't be surprised at all.

The real reason those Muslims can't assimilate is because their culture and traditions are COMPLETELY and DIAMETRICALLY opposed to European culture and traditions. It is borne out in the fact that Muslim youth in Britain, Holland, France, Germany, and a host of other European nations have completely failed to assimilate. The other poor people in those countries don't start riots or murder those who oppose them.

To Europeans I say, do not walk gently into that good night.

Do you not think it's possible to assimilate while still honoring your culture?

CorporateWhore

Collin wrote:

Have you actually read the Koran?

And once they move here their right are the same as mine so what's your point?

In Islam, morality is completely determined by what God says is right and wrong. If God says murder is wrong, murder is wrong. If God says murdering innocents is right, it is right. Their system of morality is based entirely on what Allah says is right and wrong in the Koran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_objectivism#The_Divine_alone

Christianity bases morality on the Divine and Reason. God created rational beings who have a Natural Law that determines what is right and wrong. God tells us what is right and wrong in the Bible, though the Natural Law comes from the simple fact that he created us with a purpose. The Natural law extends beyond the Bible. For example, no government can take my freedom of speech because I was born with the right to free speech. I cannot willingly give away my right to free speech - it is inherent in being human. Things that come inherently to human beings, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, are provided by the Natural Law.

God could never say that murdering an innocent person is right because that opposes the natural law, with which he created human beings for a purpose. This is the problem with Islamic law: Allah CAN say that murdering an innocent person is right because he is Allah. They have no understanding of natural law.

If God said that murdering an innocent person is right, then why would he have created human beings in the first place? It opposes reason; therefore, Islam's moral teachings are false.

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

really?


someone interviews a few slack jaw locals and you find this to be representative of all americans?


was anybody else here born with common sense?

yeah, it's not like we're last or near last in education when compared to the rest of the insutrialize wor......ohhhhhh, wait a minute...

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CorporateWhore

baraka wrote:

Do you not think it's possible to assimilate while still honoring your culture?

Honoring what culture? The culture that you left or the culture that you entered?

I do not think it is appropriate for Muslims to come to Europe and to continue honoring the culture that they came from. They can have whatever religious views they want...of course, I'm not a European...thanks be to God.

CorporateWhore

El_Kabong wrote:

yeah, it's not like we're last or near last in education when compared to the rest of the insutrialize wor......ohhhhhh, wait a minute...

Actually if we got rid of our immigrant population, we'd be on par with other countries.

All the more reason to stop immigration, eh?!

El_Kabong

CorporateWhore wrote:

Actually if we got rid of our immigrant population, we'd be on par with other countries.

All the more reason to stop immigration, eh?!

no we wouldn't, do you have anything to back this up?

baraka

CorporateWhore wrote:

Honoring what culture? The culture that you left or the culture that you entered?

I do not think it is appropriate for Muslims to come to Europe and to continue honoring the culture that they came from. They can have whatever religious views they want...of course, I'm not a European...thanks be to God.

I'm not talking about honoring the 'extreme' in said culture. Here's what I'm talking about. I had a good friend in high school that was from India. He moved to Pelham, Alabama with his parents when he was 2 or 3. He is as much of a 'good ol' boy from the south' as the rest of his friends, yet he still honors and appreciates his roots. He knows his native language (his parents did not speak english very well), but he speaks it with a helluva southern accent.;)

baraka

CorporateWhore wrote:

Actually if we got rid of our immigrant population, we'd be on par with other countries.

All the more reason to stop immigration, eh?!

You are kidding, right?

Collin

CorporateWhore, I'm not going to debate about what you think will happen in 50 years in Europe. And besides, the ignorant religious bigotry you spout tells me debating with you is simple impossible.

El_Kabong

baraka wrote:

You are kidding, right?

he's a fascist...he actually said you should be allowed to kill civilians w/ your military if you can get away w/ it

jeffbr

Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.

baraka

El_Kabong wrote:

he's a fascist...he actually said you should be allowed to kill civilians w/ your military if you can get away w/ it

I'm hoping he's just trying be inflammatory and doesn't really believe that.

Collin

jeffbr wrote:

Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.

Show a video of Muslim extremists...

jeffbr

Collin wrote:

Show a video of Muslim extremists...

Why, do you find those funny?

Edit: btw, I know what you're implying, and I hope it wasn't directed toward me.

Collin

jeffbr wrote:

Why, do you find those funny?

Nope, you'll see a few guys on this board who seem to think it's either a representative of muslims or Iraqis.

Abookamongstthemany

jeffbr wrote:

Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.

You need to drop the anger bit. I used to enjoy the levelheadness you brought to the board. I used to get angered by things I read here almost everyday but I try not to let it stress me out anymore and just take it with a grain of salt.

I don't think that people are saying these clips represent all of America but we definitely do have problems when it comes to how we weigh up against the rest of the world education-wise.

baraka

jeffbr wrote:

Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.

Maybe, but not everyone, of course. Common sense tells us that you could go to any country and find uninformed people to interview. I think what makes this piece so funny is the sterotypes people have of americans. Sterotyping is never a good thing, but I also believe one should be able to laugh at themselves. I'm all for comedy. I'm a huge Southpark fan. They are so politically incorrect and they insult equally, across the board. I'm a southerner and I'm the first to laugh at a 'redneck' joke.

jeffbr

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You need to drop the anger bit.

I used to enjoy the levelheadness you brought to the board. I used to get angered by things I read here almost everyday but I try not to let it stress me out anymore and just take it with a grain of salt.

This is true - you called it. I go through cycles on here. Lately I think I've been sucked in. Usually I post with a grin on my face, but haven't been doing that much lately. Thanks for the reminder!

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't think that people are saying these clips represent all of America but we definitely do have problems when it comes to how we weigh up against the rest of the world education-wise.

And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.

I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.

jeffbr

baraka wrote:

Maybe, but not everyone, of course. Common sense tells us that you could go to any country and find uninformed people to interview. I think what makes this piece so funny is the sterotypes people have of americans. Sterotyping is never a good thing, but I also believe one should be able to laugh at themselves. I'm all for comedy. I'm a huge Southpark fan. They are so politically incorrect and they insult equally, across the board. I'm a southerner and I'm the first to laugh at a 'redneck' joke.

I agree with everything you just said, and in fact also pointed out that Leno does the same thing all of the time. I do find it funny. Until I see ignorance displayed here with peope extrapolating what they're seeing in this video to the "average American".

Abookamongstthemany

jeffbr wrote:

This is true - you called it. I go through cycles on here. Lately I think I've been sucked in. Usually I post with a grin on my face, but haven't been doing that much lately. Thanks for the reminder!



And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.

I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.

Perhaps. It's too bad so so many here will never get the chance at going to one of our own fine universities.