stupid americans

baraka

jeffbr wrote:

I agree with everything you just said, and in fact also pointed out that Leno does the same thing all of the time. I do find it funny. Until I see ignorance displayed here with peope extrapolating what they're seeing in this video to the "average American".

I know you won't like my response, but I personally feel that the average american should be MORE informed. I think this was an exaggerated piece for comedic value, but the average american probably does not get as 'deep' as say, you or I. Not to say you or I are more intelligent, just that they are wrapped up in their own issues. Again, this case can be made for anyone in any country.

CorporateWhore

baraka wrote:

You are kidding, right?

I made a completely factual statement.

Without our immigrant population, our test scores as a nation would be higher. The immigrants I speak of are mostly Latino. They bring down test scores massively.

CorporateWhore

El_Kabong wrote:

no we wouldn't, do you have anything to back this up?

Yes. Read State of Emergency by Pat Buchanan. And, you don't have any evidence to the contrary.

baraka

jeffbr wrote:

And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.

I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.

Something else that I personally feel (and I used to debate this with my dad all the time) is, since we feel and profess to be the 'best & leader' in the world, I feel we should lead by example, 'be the change you want to see' so to speak.

CorporateWhore

Collin wrote:

CorporateWhore, I'm not going to debate about what you think will happen in 50 years in Europe. And besides, the ignorant religious bigotry you spout tells me debating with you is simple impossible.

It's not ignorant religious bigotry. It is a clear and convincing picture of what Islam teaches. Obviously you know nothing of Islam.

Typical European: "you're a bigot!" while they're being forced to give Islamic instruction to Muslims with taxpayer dollars, all in favor of being open-minded and liberal, of course!

Liberalism: the ideology of western suicide.

Byrnzie

CorporateWhore wrote:

Patriotism does not depend on how many facts you know about your country.

Patriotism depends on one's love of country. It connotes the deep-seated attachment one has to the traditions, culture, and people of their nation. In a phrase: "blood and soil."

Plenty of patriotic Americans went off to World War II and died without ever knowing who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Some didn't even know how to read. Were they less patriotic because of it?

A stupid American is not an unpatriotic American - it's just an uninformed citizen. The thing is: these people probably do not vote. Voting is a civic duty and a patriotic thing to do. I agree that those people are ignorant and should be more informed.

Following your simple logic: Any monkey that just happens to have been born within the geographic area designated as 'America' is, by that mere fact alone, a patriot.
I.e, the word 'patriot' is completely meaningless.

trappedinmyradio

Byrnzie wrote:

Following your simple logic: Any monkey that just happens to have been born within the geographic area designated as 'America' is, by that mere fact alone, a patriot.
I.e, the word 'patriot' is completely meaningless.

what you are saying here is completely wrong. no one ever said that being born in a geographic location is patriotic...read it again.

Byrnzie

CorporateWhore wrote:

What about the muslim youth that were born, raised, and educated in Britain only to blow themselves up in the Underground? Was it because they couldn't find a job that they did that?

Or was it because they were raised in Islamic extremism, with no love or patriotism of Britain? They were Arabs first, not Britons.

They blew themselves up because they felt angry and disgusted at the Iraq war. It's an easy and lazy answer to simply say that they blew themselves up 'because they were raised in Islamic extremism'. There are plenty more people in this country who are disgusted at Blairs obedience to Bush et al. The I.R.A used to also bomb England because they were angry and disgusted at the English occupation.
Every action produces a reaction.

Collin

CorporateWhore wrote:

It is a clear and convincing picture of what Islam teaches. Obviously you know nothing of Islam.

I disagree, I think you are the one who doesn't no a thing about Islam.

Typical European: "you're a bigot!" while they're being forced to give Islamic instruction to Muslims with taxpayer dollars, all in favor of being open-minded and liberal, of course!

Liberalism: the ideology of western suicide.

Ok, maybe not a religious bigot but you are ignorant.

CorporateWhore

El_Kabong wrote:

no we wouldn't, do you have anything to back this up?

Actually I found it:

http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/050524_nd.htm

He outlines that Mexicans who come to our country are far less educated than the immigrants that come to other countries, which are compared with us in test scoring. Therefore, our test scores do not completely reflect the "American" component, seeing as how we have so many idiot immigrants coming in with hardly any education.

It's our fault for letting them enter in the first place.

baraka

CorporateWhore wrote:

I made a completely factual statement.

Without our immigrant population, our test scores as a nation would be higher. The immigrants I speak of are mostly Latino. They bring down test scores massively.

But our country is built on immigrants. To make a blanket statement like 'get rid of all immigrants' is short-sided.

I'm reminded of a funny family story. My great-grandfather immigrated here from Greece. My grandfather didn't have much more than a 10th grade education, which was a sore spot for my great grandfather because he valued formal education so much and that was one of reason he came to the states. My grandfather started his own business which made him quite wealthy. When my dad met my mother, he had just gotten his mechanical engineering degree and was making like 20K a year back in 1971. When my parents got engaged, they traveled to illinois to meet my mom's very wealthy greek father. My dad was very intimidated by my wealthy granddad. My great-grandfather asked my dad if he went to college and learned that my dad had an engineering degree. He turned to my very wealthy granddad that did not complete high school and said, 'just think what you could have done if you went to college'.

CorporateWhore

Byrnzie wrote:

They blew themselves up because they felt angry and disgusted at the Iraq war. It's an easy and lazy answer to simply say that they blew themselves up 'because they were raised in Islamic extremism'. There are plenty more people in this country who are disgusted at Blairs obedience to Bush et al. The I.R.A used to also bomb England because they were angry and disgusted at the English occupation.
Every action produces a reaction.

Those youths identified more with the Iraqis than they identified with their "countrymen" in Britain. This is because they were not real Britons.

Plenty of people are mad at Bush and Blair, but they wouldn't murder their own countrymen because of it.

Collin

CorporateWhore wrote:

Those youths identified more with the Iraqis than they identified with their "countrymen" in Britain. This is because they were not real Britons.

Plenty of people are mad at Bush and Blair, but they wouldn't murder their own countrymen because of it.

Maybe it's because people like you are constantly pointing at them and saying 'you don't belong here!' You are stupid!' You are a muslim you have no moral values', 'you are not a real briton and never will be because you are brown.'

CorporateWhore

baraka wrote:

But our country is built on immigrants. To make a blanket statement like 'get rid of all immigrants' is short-sided.

I'm reminded of a funny family story. My great-grandfather immigrated here from Greece. My grandfather didn't have much more than a 10th grade education, which was a sore spot for my great grandfather because he valued formal education so much and that was one of reason he came to the states. My grandfather started his own business which made him quite wealthy. When my dad met my mother, he had just gotten his mechanical engineering degree and was making like 20K a year back in 1971. When my parents got engaged, they traveled to illinois to meet my mom's very wealthy greek father. My dad was very intimidated by my wealthy granddad. My great-grandfather asked my dad if he went to college and learned that my dad had an engineering degree. He turned to my very wealthy granddad that did not complete high school and said, 'just think what you could have done if you went to college'.

Greeks are Europeans. 95% of our immigration is from the Third World, not European countries like Greece.

More Greeks should come.

Our country was not built on immigration from third world countries. It was built on immigration from Europe.

Milhouse VanHouten

CorporateWhore wrote:

Those youths identified more with the Iraqis than they identified with their "countrymen" in Britain. This is because they were not real Britons.

I don't see what motive has to do with it. Murdering innocents in the name of nationalism is somehow different than murdering innocents in the name of religious fundamentalism?

Byrnzie

CorporateWhore wrote:

Those youths identified more with the Iraqis than they identified with their "countrymen" in Britain. This is because they were not real Britons.

Plenty of people are mad at Bush and Blair, but they wouldn't murder their own countrymen because of it.

Not 'real' Britons? And you know that? Were the Confederates who fought against Lincoln not real Americans? They're simply angry British citizens who took their anger to an extreme. Not all Muslims are extremists, just as not all American Christians are fundamentalist lunatics.
You speak about Muslims as though you actually know something about them, when in fact your skewered, self-serving half-truths simply expose your inherent racism. Did you ever read Mein Kampf? Your reasoning is on a similar par.

CorporateWhore

Collin wrote:

Maybe it's because people like you are constantly pointing at them and saying 'you don't belong here!' You are stupid!' You are a muslim you have no moral values', 'you are not a real briton and never will be because you are brown.'

Yeah yeah yeah, typical liberal BS. It's all my fault that their home countries suck and they're coming to my country. It's all my fault that they refuse to submit to our way of life.

I have plenty of brown friends. They are Americans first. They speak english, believe in God, love this country, and are attached to its people.

I don't need immigrants who refuse to become Americans, though.

CorporateWhore

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I don't see what motive has to do with it. Murdering innocents in the name of nationalism is somehow different than murdering innocents in the name of religious fundamentalism?

Um.

Yes?

CorporateWhore

Byrnzie wrote:

Not 'real' Britons? And you know that? Were the Confederates who fought against Lincoln not real Americans? They're simply angry British citizens who took their anger to an extreme. Not all Muslims are extremists, just as not all American Christians are fundamentalist lunatics.
You speak about Muslims as though you actually know something about them, when in fact your skewered, self-serving half-truths simply expose your inherent racism. Did you ever read Mein Kampf? Your reasoning is on a similar par.

OK OK I am a racist. Ok, yeah.

That's the first accusation people like me receive, but the bottom line is: I don't favor killing innocent people just because they are different from me.

Those Muslims who killed innocent civilians in Britain are the racist bigots. I'm just defending my culture from people who would rather see it die.

Milhouse VanHouten

CorporateWhore wrote:

Um.

Yes?

Um. No.