For the record, I love it that Britain has a large Black and Indian population. I love the culture of Blacks and Indians in this country. The favoutite food of the British is Indian food. Both cultures have become an integral part of British life. You should come over to the Notting Hill carnival one August Corporate Whore and see how the whole city turns out to celebrate Black culture.
what you said regarded loving your country without knowing where your country came from...where your country came from has nothing to do with the present state it is...today, the present, is all that matters...don't take what you said and extend it, here, to try to justify the misleading statement from above.
As far as you're concerned history doesn't matter. I disagree.
And I didn't 'extend' anything.
For the record, I love it that Britain has a large Black and Indian population. I love the culture of Blacks and Indians in this country. The favoutite food of the British is Indian food. Both cultures have become an integral part of British life. You should come over to the Notting Hill carnival one August Corporate Whore and see how the whole city turns out to celebrate Black culture.
Undoubtedly, any food is better than British food. I have no doubt.
Hey, if you don't mind sacrificing Britain's heritage so you can adopt a foreign heritage, that's just dandy! I could care less.
I'm not willing to do that, though. I'm proud of what my people have done.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Undoubtedly, any food is better than British food. I have no doubt.
Hey, if you don't mind sacrificing Britain's heritage so you can adopt a foreign heritage, that's just dandy! I could care less.
I'm not willing to do that, though. I'm proud of what my people have done.
Nobody has sacrificed anything. The histories of Britain, Africa, and India are intertwined. Perhaps America and Iraq will become strange bedfellows further down the road!! God forbid! :eek:
No race is superior to any other race. Still, I don't have to let some nationalities into my country if I don't feel like it right? Shouldn't I have some control over who gets to come and who doesn't? Or should my economy be bankrupted simply because I couldn't stop the influx?
Additionally, shouldn't I be proud of what my culture has put forth for the world? Or is that a privilege for minorities?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Nobody has sacrificed anything. The histories of Britain, Africa, and India are intertwined. Perhaps America and Iraq will become strange bedfellows further down the road!! God forbid! :eek:
Ok. Your food still sucks.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
No race is superior to any other race. Still, I don't have to let some nationalities into my country if I don't feel like it right? Shouldn't I have some control over who gets to come and who doesn't? Or should my economy be bankrupted simply because I couldn't stop the influx?
Problem is you'd only let in Christians who speak English or rich people and people who vote republican, you said so yourself. It may not be racism but it isn't any better in my opinion.
You do however think Christianity is superior to Islam.
Additionally, shouldn't I be proud of what my culture has put forth for the world? Or is that a privilege for minorities?
Mexicans are neighbors to our country. They are not interested in becoming Americans because their ancestors were pushed out of their lands by Americans. They believe they are taking their lands back. "Aztlan" is the American southwest that they wish to take back.
I've heard this before and I don't buy it. I live in a college town and the newly immigrated mexicans here are some of the biggests fans of our college football team. 'Taking over the land with their people' is not their priority, trust me. They are hard workers, just trying to get by and they love their families, just like I love mine. My only problem I have with those that are illegal is that big corporations in my area like Wal-Mart and Tyson pay them horribly.
Greeks are predominantly Christian and can easily be assimilated into American society. They have much in common with Americans because they are Europeans and are well-educated. Third world countries are not.
Mexican and Latinos in general are christians, catholic actually, so what's your point? My relatives that came from Greece were NOT educated. Many come here so their families have access to an education (like my great grandfather).
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
The favoutite food of the British is Indian food. Both cultures have become an integral part of British life. You should come over to the Notting Hill carnival one August Corporate Whore and see how the whole city turns out to celebrate Black culture.
I love Indian food! Yummy
I also like to celibrate other cultures. I think one can appreciate and enjoy other cultures without 'losing their idenity'.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
You can be proud of your culture and still respect, appreciate, and enjoy other cultures.
exactly.
as per corporatewhore's comments: besides, for a great # of americans *our people* had nothing to do with the start/founding of this country. i am a born and bred american, however...am only a first generation as my father was born in sicily, and his family came to this country in 1921. my mothers family have been here longer, but still not a far-reaching history in this country but in ireland and italy. so unless you are one of the folks who have direct lineage to early settlers/americans......not much to take *pride* in there, as you and your ancestors had nothing to do with it anyway. i AM happy to have been born here, to live here.....but i am also more than happy to share it with all else who wants to be here too. any *pride* would lie soley in progress, and saldy within the years i've been able to vote.....not too many great things to be *proud* of, but sure...i try.
as per corporatewhore's comments: besides, for a great # of americans *our people* had nothing to do with the start/founding of this country. i am a born and bred american, however...am only a first generation as my father was born in sicily, and his family came to this country in 1921. my mothers family have been here longer, but still not a far-reaching history in this country but in ireland and italy. so unless you are one of the folks who have direct lineage to early settlers/americans......not much to take *pride* in there, as you and your ancestors had nothing to do with it anyway. i AM happy to have been born here, to live here.....but i am also more than happy to share it with all else who wants to be here too. any *pride* would lie soley in progress, and saldy within the years i've been able to vote.....not too many great things to be *proud* of, but sure...i try.
Clearly you have no identity except that which public school teachers have given you.
I was taught in public schools to think that Americans who weren't direct descendents of the settlers weren't really related to the forefathers of this country at all. We supposedly have no identity because we are an amalgamation of many ethnicities from Europe.
That's bullshit.
It was European ideas that built America and made it what it is. We are a race. People came to America and became a new race. Italians, Britons, Irishmen, Dutch, and everyone who came here was no longer the race that they were. It's the melting pot and it influenced everything about them. A new culture emerged out of America that was different than that of Europe, and it is something to be proud of whether you are a new citizen or your ancestors came here in Jamestown. The simple fact is, no other group from any other continent could have made this country what it is today.
I've grown up in America my entire life and become influenced by it. If I went to Europe, they would notice that I'm different by the way I look, the way I carry myself, what I choose to talk about, how I think, and what beliefs I have. That is what I am proud of: being bred like an American. Obviously you aren't proud of that.
Europeans colonized America and made it was it is. Their actions made this country great. I am of European descent; therefore, I can be proud of what my forefathers did.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Clearly you have no identity except that which public school teachers have given you.
I was taught in public schools to think that Americans who weren't direct descendents of the settlers weren't really related to the forefathers of this country at all. We supposedly have no identity because we are an amalgamation of many ethnicities from Europe.
That's bullshit.
It was European ideas that built America and made it what it is. We are a race. People came to America and became a new race. Italians, Britons, Irishmen, Dutch, and everyone who came here was no longer the race that they were. It's the melting pot and it influenced everything about them. A new culture emerged out of America that was different than that of Europe, and it is something to be proud of whether you are a new citizen or your ancestors came here in Jamestown. The simple fact is, no other group from any other continent could have made this country what it is today.
I've grown up in America my entire life and become influenced by it. If I went to Europe, they would notice that I'm different by the way I look, the way I carry myself, what I choose to talk about, how I think, and what beliefs I have. That is what I am proud of: being bred like an American. Obviously you aren't proud of that because.
Europeans colonized America and made it was it is. Their actions made this country great. I am of European descent; therefore, I can be proud of what my forefathers did.
whateva.
and i went to an all girls catholic school.
i also have a great sense of identity....being an american yes...but also italian and irish, and it ALL comes from my family and none of it from school.
i understand what you're saying and i certainly feel american, but i don't consider them *my* forefathers.....that's all.....i feel no real connection/pride for their actions at all, just glad they started the country as they did and wish we did more to encourage and keep intact the personal freedoms and seperation of church and state as was meant to be, but that's another topic. anyway, i just don't see that i have anymore claim to being apart of this country as anyone else who is a citizen, or whould like to become a citizen....that's all. agree, disagree, really doesn't make much difference to me, i personally find it rather amusing when people make the *my people* comments...when for most of us, we have no direct relation to any of em.
and yes, you should go to europe...as many countries as you can, as many times as you can. i love it! i travel as much as i possibly can, studied abroad 2x, it's a great experience! in fact, i think we all should travel and see as much of this planet as we can, as many people and cultures, natural environments, etc....inside and outside our national borders.....it's a great perspective. and i am still not *proud of* being bred as an american....if i am proud of anything, i am proud of my own accomplishments....and of my immigrant father, his participation in WW2, my parents starting out on their own, etc. i don't have a true pride in just *being* a part of america, but yes i am glad to be a part of america. differing perspectives, that's all.
I've grown up in America my entire life and become influenced by it. If I went to Europe, they would notice that I'm different by the way I look, the way I carry myself, what I choose to talk about, how I think, and what beliefs I have. That is what I am proud of: being bred like an American. Obviously you aren't proud of that.
Europeans colonized America and made it was it is. Their actions made this country great. I am of European descent; therefore, I can be proud of what my forefathers did.
Pointless nonsense.
That's like saying I'm proud my ancestors moved out of the great plains of Africa.
Being proud of actions of others hundreds, thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years ago is indicative of your political consciousness as it is at present. Let me guess, you are a "patriot"? You love "your" country? You love "your" president?
That's the crap they fed you in public school.
It's time to move on from that nonsense. You have no immediate connection to the people who built America. Chances are that you would've been hated if you lived in that era due to the views you have today, but most importantly, they wouldn't have cared about you in any way, shape or form.
You know what, I wouldn't have cared if you said you were proud of something good. Like for example your "forefathers" striking, or demonstrating an injustice, or doing other progressive things, but proud of "building America" reeks of reactionary thought.
You know what, I wouldn't have cared if you said you were proud of something good. Like for example your "forefathers" striking, or demonstrating an injustice, or doing other progressive things, but proud of "building America" reeks of reactionary thought.
"Building America" IS something good. By building America, the colonists demonstrated the injustice of absolute monarchy, Shapur. They started the first constitutional government in the world, which third world countries are just now learning to imitate.
No, I'm absolutely proud of the men and ideas that built this country. If that's reactionary, well...it's not. But, if it were, well...well no, that's retarded.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
"Building America" IS something good. By building America, the colonists demonstrated the injustice of absolute monarchy, Shapur. They started the first constitutional government in the world, which third world countries are just now learning to imitate.
No, I'm absolutely proud of the men and ideas that built this country. If that's reactionary, well...it's not. But, if it were, well...well no, that's retarded.
I see you've been paying attention in high-school, and that's not a compliment.
France was the first bourgeois democratic society in the world, not the US, so get your facts straight. Besides, the US has always been a two-party state, as opposed to western-European parliamentary republics, which are more advanced, so there goes the myth of "the worlds first and best democracy".
As for the comment on third world countries, are you on drugs? They were colonized by that "beacon of democracy" for over a century! No wonder they're "just now beginning to imitate".
Now that's retarded.
Read a book and then discuss politics please. I suggest A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
You know what, I wouldn't have cared if you said you were proud of something good. Like for example your "forefathers" striking, or demonstrating an injustice, or doing other progressive things, but proud of "building America" reeks of reactionary thought.
It sounds like that's what you want to hear. Our forefathers, who built this country, were absolutely doing something good and noble. They fought for freedom, fought against taxation, fought for individual liberties and rights.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
It sounds like that's what you want to hear. Our forefathers, who built this country, were absolutely doing something good and noble. They fought for freedom, fought against taxation, fought for individual liberties and rights.
Fighting for what you mentioned above is not "building America", at least, that's not how I define it to be. Building America means building capitalism, means stealing land from native Americans and killing them. It means oppressing and exploiting thousands upon thousands of workers. It means mass transportation of slaves from Africa to the US to work for nothing.
That's what I define as "building America", and yes, that's certainly not noble or good. Although some patriots here might disagree.
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Black people are no more African than I am. But, I do reiterate: no one who thinks of themself as a "hyphenated-American" is a real American.
-Enoch Powell
MLK Jr. opposed excessive immigration into this country because it lowered wages for black Americans.
-Enoch Powell
As far as you're concerned history doesn't matter. I disagree.
And I didn't 'extend' anything.
Undoubtedly, any food is better than British food. I have no doubt.
Hey, if you don't mind sacrificing Britain's heritage so you can adopt a foreign heritage, that's just dandy! I could care less.
I'm not willing to do that, though. I'm proud of what my people have done.
-Enoch Powell
That maybe so, but he also opposed racism.
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Nobody has sacrificed anything. The histories of Britain, Africa, and India are intertwined. Perhaps America and Iraq will become strange bedfellows further down the road!! God forbid! :eek:
Me too!!!!!
No race is superior to any other race. Still, I don't have to let some nationalities into my country if I don't feel like it right? Shouldn't I have some control over who gets to come and who doesn't? Or should my economy be bankrupted simply because I couldn't stop the influx?
Additionally, shouldn't I be proud of what my culture has put forth for the world? Or is that a privilege for minorities?
-Enoch Powell
Ok. Your food still sucks.
-Enoch Powell
That's just it though. 'Our' food is now the food of the world. But I agree. 'English' food sucks elephant dicks.
So being a Brit, you know who Enoch Powell is then. I figured you would've assumed I'm a "racist" for having a quote from him.
-Enoch Powell
Yeah. Mr 'Rivers of blood' himself.
Problem is you'd only let in Christians who speak English or rich people and people who vote republican, you said so yourself. It may not be racism but it isn't any better in my opinion.
You do however think Christianity is superior to Islam.
Your culture is a culture made by immigrants.
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So why did you quote a racist, if you oppose racism?
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His racism was arguable.
-Enoch Powell
I've heard this before and I don't buy it. I live in a college town and the newly immigrated mexicans here are some of the biggests fans of our college football team. 'Taking over the land with their people' is not their priority, trust me. They are hard workers, just trying to get by and they love their families, just like I love mine. My only problem I have with those that are illegal is that big corporations in my area like Wal-Mart and Tyson pay them horribly.
Mexican and Latinos in general are christians, catholic actually, so what's your point? My relatives that came from Greece were NOT educated. Many come here so their families have access to an education (like my great grandfather).
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I love Indian food! Yummy
I also like to celibrate other cultures. I think one can appreciate and enjoy other cultures without 'losing their idenity'.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
You can be proud of your culture and still respect, appreciate, and enjoy other cultures.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWlZbm2Nuw
So you think that racism can be qualified and accepted? Please elaborate.
That is funny!
exactly.
as per corporatewhore's comments: besides, for a great # of americans *our people* had nothing to do with the start/founding of this country. i am a born and bred american, however...am only a first generation as my father was born in sicily, and his family came to this country in 1921. my mothers family have been here longer, but still not a far-reaching history in this country but in ireland and italy. so unless you are one of the folks who have direct lineage to early settlers/americans......not much to take *pride* in there, as you and your ancestors had nothing to do with it anyway. i AM happy to have been born here, to live here.....but i am also more than happy to share it with all else who wants to be here too. any *pride* would lie soley in progress, and saldy within the years i've been able to vote.....not too many great things to be *proud* of, but sure...i try.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Clearly you have no identity except that which public school teachers have given you.
I was taught in public schools to think that Americans who weren't direct descendents of the settlers weren't really related to the forefathers of this country at all. We supposedly have no identity because we are an amalgamation of many ethnicities from Europe.
That's bullshit.
It was European ideas that built America and made it what it is. We are a race. People came to America and became a new race. Italians, Britons, Irishmen, Dutch, and everyone who came here was no longer the race that they were. It's the melting pot and it influenced everything about them. A new culture emerged out of America that was different than that of Europe, and it is something to be proud of whether you are a new citizen or your ancestors came here in Jamestown. The simple fact is, no other group from any other continent could have made this country what it is today.
I've grown up in America my entire life and become influenced by it. If I went to Europe, they would notice that I'm different by the way I look, the way I carry myself, what I choose to talk about, how I think, and what beliefs I have. That is what I am proud of: being bred like an American. Obviously you aren't proud of that.
Europeans colonized America and made it was it is. Their actions made this country great. I am of European descent; therefore, I can be proud of what my forefathers did.
-Enoch Powell
whateva.
and i went to an all girls catholic school.
i also have a great sense of identity....being an american yes...but also italian and irish, and it ALL comes from my family and none of it from school.
i understand what you're saying and i certainly feel american, but i don't consider them *my* forefathers.....that's all.....i feel no real connection/pride for their actions at all, just glad they started the country as they did and wish we did more to encourage and keep intact the personal freedoms and seperation of church and state as was meant to be, but that's another topic. anyway, i just don't see that i have anymore claim to being apart of this country as anyone else who is a citizen, or whould like to become a citizen....that's all. agree, disagree, really doesn't make much difference to me, i personally find it rather amusing when people make the *my people* comments...when for most of us, we have no direct relation to any of em.
and yes, you should go to europe...as many countries as you can, as many times as you can. i love it! i travel as much as i possibly can, studied abroad 2x, it's a great experience! in fact, i think we all should travel and see as much of this planet as we can, as many people and cultures, natural environments, etc....inside and outside our national borders.....it's a great perspective. and i am still not *proud of* being bred as an american....if i am proud of anything, i am proud of my own accomplishments....and of my immigrant father, his participation in WW2, my parents starting out on their own, etc. i don't have a true pride in just *being* a part of america, but yes i am glad to be a part of america. differing perspectives, that's all.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
But Im sorry, thats the concept that the rest of the world have of america.
Pointless nonsense.
That's like saying I'm proud my ancestors moved out of the great plains of Africa.
Being proud of actions of others hundreds, thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years ago is indicative of your political consciousness as it is at present. Let me guess, you are a "patriot"? You love "your" country? You love "your" president?
That's the crap they fed you in public school.
It's time to move on from that nonsense. You have no immediate connection to the people who built America. Chances are that you would've been hated if you lived in that era due to the views you have today, but most importantly, they wouldn't have cared about you in any way, shape or form.
You know what, I wouldn't have cared if you said you were proud of something good. Like for example your "forefathers" striking, or demonstrating an injustice, or doing other progressive things, but proud of "building America" reeks of reactionary thought.
"Building America" IS something good. By building America, the colonists demonstrated the injustice of absolute monarchy, Shapur. They started the first constitutional government in the world, which third world countries are just now learning to imitate.
No, I'm absolutely proud of the men and ideas that built this country. If that's reactionary, well...it's not. But, if it were, well...well no, that's retarded.
-Enoch Powell
I see you've been paying attention in high-school, and that's not a compliment.
France was the first bourgeois democratic society in the world, not the US, so get your facts straight. Besides, the US has always been a two-party state, as opposed to western-European parliamentary republics, which are more advanced, so there goes the myth of "the worlds first and best democracy".
As for the comment on third world countries, are you on drugs? They were colonized by that "beacon of democracy" for over a century! No wonder they're "just now beginning to imitate".
Now that's retarded.
Read a book and then discuss politics please. I suggest A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
It sounds like that's what you want to hear. Our forefathers, who built this country, were absolutely doing something good and noble. They fought for freedom, fought against taxation, fought for individual liberties and rights.
Fighting for what you mentioned above is not "building America", at least, that's not how I define it to be. Building America means building capitalism, means stealing land from native Americans and killing them. It means oppressing and exploiting thousands upon thousands of workers. It means mass transportation of slaves from Africa to the US to work for nothing.
That's what I define as "building America", and yes, that's certainly not noble or good. Although some patriots here might disagree.