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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Freedom fries!

    Nuff said!
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Collin wrote:
    Have you watched all parts? Because the questions don't seem dubbed at all.

    But who knows they might have asked 50 people before they found someone who gave a stupid answer. But I do remember this survey that asked a bunch of questions to school children of several western countries and the US didn't score to good.

    Since we're nit-picking people's intellegence and stereotyping, that would be...

    " ....the US didn't score too good " :D:D
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I could go to any country in the world (yes, even Canada :D) and ask questions to anyone on the street, and eventually I could find 15-25 people who answer in the same, idiotic manner.

    I've traveled the world enough to know that the people of the world, outside of the United States Of America, have some odd and downright ignorant perceptions regarding Americans and America in general. While some of things they believe and think of Americans are true to a certain, isolated extent; most of what they think and believe are gross misconceptions or downright wrong. Governments and Media do a great job of snow-jobbing their public.

    Just like our goverment here in the USA and media snow-job us regarding other people from around the planet. It works both ways. Don't think you're not being fed bullshit lies and inaccuracies regarding America and Americans; because you are.

    Yes, America has it's share of ignorant people. Hell, I often criticize the idiots and uneducated of my country. But America hardly has cornered the market of ignorance and stupidity.

    Blind-fold me, drop me off in London, France, Italy, Ireland, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Germany...where ever; spin me in a circle and I'll throw a few pebbles. No doubt I could find several morons with each set of 10 pebble throws.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    NMyTree wrote:
    Since we're nit-picking people's intellegence and stereotyping, that would be...

    " ....the US didn't score too good " :D:D

    Well, it's intelligence. ;)

    And shouldn't it be "... the US didn't score too well" ?
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Collin wrote:
    Well, it's intelligence. ;)

    And shouldn't it be "... the US didn't score too well" ?


    Now you're learning:D:D Or is that "your":D:D
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    But if you want to be even more picky, it probably should be....


    " .......the US did not score very well "
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    NMyTree wrote:
    I could go to any country in the world (yes, even Canada :D) and ask questions to anyone on the street, and eventually I could find 15-25 people who answer in the same, idiotic manner.

    I've traveled the world enough to know that the people of the world, outside of the United States Of America, have some odd and downright ignorant perceptions regarding Americans and America in general. While some of things they believe and think of Americans are true to a certain, isolated extent; most of what they think and believe are gross misconceptions or downright wrong. Governments and Media do a great job of snow-jobbing their public.

    I agree with this. I hitchhiked through parts of the US in July. The people here (I live in a country in Europe) haven't got a clue what's it like in the US, even the ones who have been there, because they only visit tourist areas and never actually talk to the local people. I had a vague idea of what Americans were like, I thought they were friendly and open and I figured there would be a considerable amount of ignorant, arrogant people. What I found was, Americans weren't just friendly they were extremely friendly and open, very hospitable much more than any country in Europe I've ever visited.

    And I must say the ignorance of some people in the States is beyond belief. But I'd say that's because - and I generalize on basis of what I have experienced - Americans are more outspoken, assertive than the people in my country and in many other countries. So even if the people here are even more ignorant, you wouldn't really notice they are that ignorant, people tend to be very tentative.

    An example; I met a guy named Vic, rich man, gave us shelter and food and we spent all night talking. He made statement about my country that weren't true at all... not a single shred of truth. And when we told him it really wasn't like that, he tried to convince us that he was right. In my country that would never happen, never.

    Edit: Big text, wonder how many mistakes I made this time:D
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  • Kenny Olav wrote:
    this is why patriotism should be earned, not expected.

    Patriotism does not depend on how many facts you know about your country.

    Patriotism depends on one's love of country. It connotes the deep-seated attachment one has to the traditions, culture, and people of their nation. In a phrase: "blood and soil."

    Plenty of patriotic Americans went off to World War II and died without ever knowing who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Some didn't even know how to read. Were they less patriotic because of it?

    A stupid American is not an unpatriotic American - it's just an uninformed citizen. The thing is: these people probably do not vote. Voting is a civic duty and a patriotic thing to do. I agree that those people are ignorant and should be more informed.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Patriotism does not depend on how many facts you know about your country.

    Patriotism depends on one's love of country. It connotes the deep-seated attachment one has to the traditions, culture, and people of their nation. In a phrase: "blood and soil."

    Plenty of patriotic Americans went off to World War II and died without ever knowing who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Some didn't even know how to read. Were they less patriotic because of it?

    A stupid American is not an unpatriotic American - it's just an uninformed citizen. The thing is: these people probably do not vote. Voting is a civic duty and a patriotic thing to do. I agree that those people are ignorant and should be more informed.

    When I say "One nation, under God," I see that nation as American. I believe an American speaks english, is protestant/catholic/jewish, and has an attachment to their homeland and other Americans. An American has a bond with the land he grew up on and its people. An American knows our history and culture. They speak a certain way and know certain facets about our people that a visiting foreigner could never understand.

    ..
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  • Collin wrote:
    ..

    "History and culture" is open-ended.

    If you disagree with my definition of patriotism, give it your best shot, commie. :D
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    "History and culture" is open-ended.

    If you disagree with my definition of patriotism, give it your best shot, commie. :D

    According to you an American should know America's history or culture. I'd say the Declaration of Independence is a big part, maybe even the most important part of American history and culture. So how can you call those Americans who went off to World War II American?
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Patriotism depends on one's love of country.
    I'm jumping right on this rare opportunity! I agree with you, my friend--wholeheartedly.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    If you disagree with my definition of patriotism, give it your best shot, commie. :D
    And then I find myself going full circle, and being back to finding you plain old obnoxious as you flail in your stereotypes! ;):)
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  • Collin wrote:
    According to you an American should know America's history or culture. I'd say the Declaration of Independence is a big part, maybe even the most important part of American history and culture. So how can you call those Americans who went off to World War II American?

    Once again, knowing history and culture is a part of being an american, but not the only part and I didn't say it was the only part.

    Pray tell, what do you believe makes a patriotic citizen? Or, do you even believe in patriotism?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    I am not fond of sterotyping, BUT, I do feel that we need to be able to laugh at ourselves. I found this piece hilarious! And yes, the ones who did this piece could have found (and probably did) just as many Americans that were well informed, but that wouldn't have been very funny. That fact of the matter is there are folks in every country that are not very well informed. Yes, this piece took a 'jab' at Americans, but ask yourself how many comedy bits you've seen that take a 'jab' at other cultures & countries.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

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    ~Albert Einstein
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Once again, knowing history and culture is a part of being an american, but not the only part and I didn't say it was the only part.

    Well, I then I don't get your point in that Nation thread. I mean, if people only need to 'have' some parts to be considered American what's the point of that thread?
    Pray tell, what do you believe makes a patriotic citizen? Or, do you even believe in patriotism?

    I believe patriotism exists, but I don't believe in it.
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    baraka wrote:
    I am not fond of sterotyping, BUT, I do feel that we need to be able to laugh at ourselves. I found this piece hilarious! And yes, the ones who did this piece could have found (and probably did) just as many Americans that were well informed, but that wouldn't have been very funny. That fact of the matter is there are folks in every country that are not very well informed. Yes, this piece took a 'jab' at Americans, but ask yourself how many comedy bits you've seen that take a 'jab' at other cultures & countries.


    Exactly. It was a comedy piece. It was funny. But I found it even funnier that the thread starter and some others in this thread are taking this so seriously. I mean, that's like taking the movie "Dumb and Dumber" as a serious evaluation and representation of Americans' behavior and intelligence.
  • Collin wrote:
    Well, I then I don't get your point in that Nation thread. I mean, if people only need to 'have' some parts to be considered American what's the point of that thread?

    I believe patriotism exists, but I don't believe in it.

    One does not necessarily need to know the history of their country, but it does help to be patriotic.

    I'm sure whatever European country you're from isn't patriotic either, and that's why Muslims will outnumber you in 50 years.

    Or should I call it "Eurabia." Haha.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    NMyTree wrote:
    Exactly. It was a comedy piece. It was funny. But I found it even funnier that the thread starter and some others in this thread are taking this so seriously. I mean, that's like taking the movie "Dumb and Dumber" as a serious evaluation and representation of Americans' behavior and intelligence.

    I think it was hilarious and a fine piece of comedy but it is kind of sad.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    One does not necessarily need to know the history of their country, but it does help to be patriotic.

    I'm sure whatever European country you're from isn't patriotic either, and that's why Muslims will outnumber you in 50 years.

    Or should I call it "Eurabia." Haha.

    Indeed my country isn't patriotic. I don't have a problem with Muslims outnumbering us in 50 years, though I doubt that will happen.

    Anyway, what are you going to do if the Muslim population increases in the US, shoot 'em?
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    NMyTree wrote:
    Exactly. It was a comedy piece. It was funny. But I found it even funnier that the thread starter and some others in this thread are taking this so seriously. I mean, that's like taking the movie "Dumb and Dumber" as a serious evaluation and representation of Americans' behavior and intelligence.


    I think there are some that find it disturbing people could be so uninformed, then there are others that are offended by 'dumb american' sterotyping. I just looked at it as purely comedic.

    So, the Axis of Evil is California, Mississippi, and who else.....Jerulsalem? Hilarious!
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    you live here. you know it's not just a few people.


    got that right...

    Jaywalking...


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • Collin wrote:
    Indeed my country isn't patriotic. I don't have a problem with Muslims outnumbering us in 50 years, though I doubt that will happen.

    Anyway, what are you going to do if the Muslim population increases in the US, shoot 'em?

    Tell me what country you're from and I'll tell you if it will be overrun with Muslims.

    An unpatriotic country is equivalent to a soulless human being. Without the soul, a human being dies. Without patriotism, a country dies. Your country is dead already.

    Edit: additionally, all of those foreign Muslims bring with them a new culture, a new set of values. Individual liberty is not one of them. Of course, individual liberty was never very important to Eurabia now was it?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Tell me what country you're from and I'll tell you if it will be overrun with Muslims.

    An unpatriotic country is equivalent to a soulless human being. Without the soul, a human being dies. Without patriotism, a country dies. Your country is dead already.

    I prefer not to say and there's no way you can tell what will happen in 50 years.

    And tell me exactly how a country 'overrun' with Muslims is a bad thing? Why is it worse than a country overrun with Christians or other religious people?
    Edit: additionally, all of those foreign Muslims bring with them a new culture, a new set of values. Individual liberty is not one of them. Of course, individual liberty was never very important to Eurabia now was it?

    Why do you think individual liberty isn't one of those values? Has it ever occured to you that these people come here because of our freedoms?
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  • Collin wrote:
    I prefer not to say and there's no way you can tell what will happen in 50 years.

    And tell me exactly how a country 'overrun' with Muslims is a bad thing? Why is it worse than a country overrun with Christians or other religious people?

    When your country used to be overwhelmingly Christian and European, and it becomes overwhelmingly Muslim and Arab, it ceases to be the same country. Arab Muslims do not have the same values as Europeans. European countries have failed to assimilate Arab Muslims as well.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Collin wrote:
    Why do you think individual liberty isn't one of those values? Has it ever occured to you that these people come here because of our freedoms?

    Their religion does not support individual liberty at all. All rights come from the Koran and Islamic law, not the Natural Law.

    They come to Europe because of the jobs. They can make more money in Europe than they can where they come from.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    When your country used to be overwhelmingly Christian and European, and it becomes overwhelmingly Muslim and Arab, it ceases to be the same country. Arab Muslims do not have the same values as Europeans. European countries have failed to assimilate Arab Muslims as well.

    It hasn't been overwhelmingly Christian for a long long time. Most muslim kids I know assimilated pretty well. Their parents didn't, but the new generation does understand European values and they do assimilate.

    Granted there are some problems but that has to do with the fact that immigrants are usually not very wealthy, so it doesn't have anything to do with their being Muslim or immigrants but with being poor.
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  • The ignorance thing was pure comedy - such as the guy who thought there were ten eiffel towers in paris or the one that didn't realise that kentucky fried chicken was from Kentucky or the guy who named three us states as the axis of evil.

    The other comments about bombing/nuking other countries just made my blood boil. There is a point when ignorance stops being funny and starts becoming dangerous - I guess by electing bush twice the US has already gone past that point a long time ago.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Their religion does not support individual liberty at all. All rights come from the Koran and Islamic law, not the Natural Law.

    Have you actually read the Koran?

    And once they move here their right are the same as mine so what's your point?
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  • Collin wrote:
    Granted there are some problems but that has to do with the fact that immigrants are usually not very wealthy, so it doesn't have anything to do with their being Muslim or immigrants but with being poor.

    The new generation assimilates? Bullshit.

    What about the muslim youth that were born, raised, and educated in Britain only to blow themselves up in the Underground? Was it because they couldn't find a job that they did that?

    Or was it because they were raised in Islamic extremism, with no love or patriotism of Britain? They were Arabs first, not Britons.

    You socialists can claim all you want that the Muslims are not assimilating because they're "just not very wealthy," but when your country goes back into the stoneages after a majority of Muslims impose Islamic law on you, I won't be surprised at all.

    The real reason those Muslims can't assimilate is because their culture and traditions are COMPLETELY and DIAMETRICALLY opposed to European culture and traditions. It is borne out in the fact that Muslim youth in Britain, Holland, France, Germany, and a host of other European nations have completely failed to assimilate. The other poor people in those countries don't start riots or murder those who oppose them.

    To Europeans I say, do not walk gently into that good night.
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    -Enoch Powell
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