What about the muslim youth that were born, raised, and educated in Britain only to blow themselves up in the Underground? Was it because they couldn't find a job that they did that?
Or was it because they were raised in Islamic extremism, with no love or patriotism of Britain? They were Arabs first, not Britons.
You socialists can claim all you want that the Muslims are not assimilating because they're "just not very wealthy," but when your country goes back into the stoneages after a majority of Muslims impose Islamic law on you, I won't be surprised at all.
The real reason those Muslims can't assimilate is because their culture and traditions are COMPLETELY and DIAMETRICALLY opposed to European culture and traditions. It is borne out in the fact that Muslim youth in Britain, Holland, France, Germany, and a host of other European nations have completely failed to assimilate. The other poor people in those countries don't start riots or murder those who oppose them.
To Europeans I say, do not walk gently into that good night.
Do you not think it's possible to assimilate while still honoring your culture?
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
And once they move here their right are the same as mine so what's your point?
In Islam, morality is completely determined by what God says is right and wrong. If God says murder is wrong, murder is wrong. If God says murdering innocents is right, it is right. Their system of morality is based entirely on what Allah says is right and wrong in the Koran.
Christianity bases morality on the Divine and Reason. God created rational beings who have a Natural Law that determines what is right and wrong. God tells us what is right and wrong in the Bible, though the Natural Law comes from the simple fact that he created us with a purpose. The Natural law extends beyond the Bible. For example, no government can take my freedom of speech because I was born with the right to free speech. I cannot willingly give away my right to free speech - it is inherent in being human. Things that come inherently to human beings, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, are provided by the Natural Law.
God could never say that murdering an innocent person is right because that opposes the natural law, with which he created human beings for a purpose. This is the problem with Islamic law: Allah CAN say that murdering an innocent person is right because he is Allah. They have no understanding of natural law.
If God said that murdering an innocent person is right, then why would he have created human beings in the first place? It opposes reason; therefore, Islam's moral teachings are false.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
someone interviews a few slack jaw locals and you find this to be representative of all americans?
was anybody else here born with common sense?
yeah, it's not like we're last or near last in education when compared to the rest of the insutrialize wor......ohhhhhh, wait a minute...
.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Do you not think it's possible to assimilate while still honoring your culture?
Honoring what culture? The culture that you left or the culture that you entered?
I do not think it is appropriate for Muslims to come to Europe and to continue honoring the culture that they came from. They can have whatever religious views they want...of course, I'm not a European...thanks be to God.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Actually if we got rid of our immigrant population, we'd be on par with other countries.
All the more reason to stop immigration, eh?!
no we wouldn't, do you have anything to back this up?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Honoring what culture? The culture that you left or the culture that you entered?
I do not think it is appropriate for Muslims to come to Europe and to continue honoring the culture that they came from. They can have whatever religious views they want...of course, I'm not a European...thanks be to God.
I'm not talking about honoring the 'extreme' in said culture. Here's what I'm talking about. I had a good friend in high school that was from India. He moved to Pelham, Alabama with his parents when he was 2 or 3. He is as much of a 'good ol' boy from the south' as the rest of his friends, yet he still honors and appreciates his roots. He knows his native language (his parents did not speak english very well), but he speaks it with a helluva southern accent.;)
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
CorporateWhore, I'm not going to debate about what you think will happen in 50 years in Europe. And besides, the ignorant religious bigotry you spout tells me debating with you is simple impossible.
he's a fascist...he actually said you should be allowed to kill civilians w/ your military if you can get away w/ it
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.
Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.
You need to drop the anger bit. I used to enjoy the levelheadness you brought to the board. I used to get angered by things I read here almost everyday but I try not to let it stress me out anymore and just take it with a grain of salt.
I don't think that people are saying these clips represent all of America but we definitely do have problems when it comes to how we weigh up against the rest of the world education-wise.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Is anybody here really arguing that this video is representative of America? I don't think even on this board there is anyone with their head that far up their ass.
Maybe, but not everyone, of course. Common sense tells us that you could go to any country and find uninformed people to interview. I think what makes this piece so funny is the sterotypes people have of americans. Sterotyping is never a good thing, but I also believe one should be able to laugh at themselves. I'm all for comedy. I'm a huge Southpark fan. They are so politically incorrect and they insult equally, across the board. I'm a southerner and I'm the first to laugh at a 'redneck' joke.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I used to enjoy the levelheadness you brought to the board. I used to get angered by things I read here almost everyday but I try not to let it stress me out anymore and just take it with a grain of salt.
This is true - you called it. I go through cycles on here. Lately I think I've been sucked in. Usually I post with a grin on my face, but haven't been doing that much lately. Thanks for the reminder!
I don't think that people are saying these clips represent all of America but we definitely do have problems when it comes to how we weigh up against the rest of the world education-wise.
And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.
I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Maybe, but not everyone, of course. Common sense tells us that you could go to any country and find uninformed people to interview. I think what makes this piece so funny is the sterotypes people have of americans. Sterotyping is never a good thing, but I also believe one should be able to laugh at themselves. I'm all for comedy. I'm a huge Southpark fan. They are so politically incorrect and they insult equally, across the board. I'm a southerner and I'm the first to laugh at a 'redneck' joke.
I agree with everything you just said, and in fact also pointed out that Leno does the same thing all of the time. I do find it funny. Until I see ignorance displayed here with peope extrapolating what they're seeing in this video to the "average American".
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
This is true - you called it. I go through cycles on here. Lately I think I've been sucked in. Usually I post with a grin on my face, but haven't been doing that much lately. Thanks for the reminder!
And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.
I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.
Perhaps. It's too bad so so many here will never get the chance at going to one of our own fine universities.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree with everything you just said, and in fact also pointed out that Leno does the same thing all of the time. I do find it funny. Until I see ignorance displayed here with peope extrapolating what they're seeing in this video to the "average American".
I know you won't like my response, but I personally feel that the average american should be MORE informed. I think this was an exaggerated piece for comedic value, but the average american probably does not get as 'deep' as say, you or I. Not to say you or I are more intelligent, just that they are wrapped up in their own issues. Again, this case can be made for anyone in any country.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Without our immigrant population, our test scores as a nation would be higher. The immigrants I speak of are mostly Latino. They bring down test scores massively.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.
I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.
Something else that I personally feel (and I used to debate this with my dad all the time) is, since we feel and profess to be the 'best & leader' in the world, I feel we should lead by example, 'be the change you want to see' so to speak.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
CorporateWhore, I'm not going to debate about what you think will happen in 50 years in Europe. And besides, the ignorant religious bigotry you spout tells me debating with you is simple impossible.
It's not ignorant religious bigotry. It is a clear and convincing picture of what Islam teaches. Obviously you know nothing of Islam.
Typical European: "you're a bigot!" while they're being forced to give Islamic instruction to Muslims with taxpayer dollars, all in favor of being open-minded and liberal, of course!
Liberalism: the ideology of western suicide.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Patriotism does not depend on how many facts you know about your country.
Patriotism depends on one's love of country. It connotes the deep-seated attachment one has to the traditions, culture, and people of their nation. In a phrase: "blood and soil."
Plenty of patriotic Americans went off to World War II and died without ever knowing who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Some didn't even know how to read. Were they less patriotic because of it?
A stupid American is not an unpatriotic American - it's just an uninformed citizen. The thing is: these people probably do not vote. Voting is a civic duty and a patriotic thing to do. I agree that those people are ignorant and should be more informed.
Following your simple logic: Any monkey that just happens to have been born within the geographic area designated as 'America' is, by that mere fact alone, a patriot.
I.e, the word 'patriot' is completely meaningless.
Following your simple logic: Any monkey that just happens to have been born within the geographic area designated as 'America' is, by that mere fact alone, a patriot.
I.e, the word 'patriot' is completely meaningless.
what you are saying here is completely wrong. no one ever said that being born in a geographic location is patriotic...read it again.
What about the muslim youth that were born, raised, and educated in Britain only to blow themselves up in the Underground? Was it because they couldn't find a job that they did that?
Or was it because they were raised in Islamic extremism, with no love or patriotism of Britain? They were Arabs first, not Britons.
They blew themselves up because they felt angry and disgusted at the Iraq war. It's an easy and lazy answer to simply say that they blew themselves up 'because they were raised in Islamic extremism'. There are plenty more people in this country who are disgusted at Blairs obedience to Bush et al. The I.R.A used to also bomb England because they were angry and disgusted at the English occupation.
Every action produces a reaction.
It is a clear and convincing picture of what Islam teaches. Obviously you know nothing of Islam.
I disagree, I think you are the one who doesn't no a thing about Islam.
Typical European: "you're a bigot!" while they're being forced to give Islamic instruction to Muslims with taxpayer dollars, all in favor of being open-minded and liberal, of course!
Liberalism: the ideology of western suicide.
Ok, maybe not a religious bigot but you are ignorant.
He outlines that Mexicans who come to our country are far less educated than the immigrants that come to other countries, which are compared with us in test scoring. Therefore, our test scores do not completely reflect the "American" component, seeing as how we have so many idiot immigrants coming in with hardly any education.
It's our fault for letting them enter in the first place.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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Do you not think it's possible to assimilate while still honoring your culture?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
In Islam, morality is completely determined by what God says is right and wrong. If God says murder is wrong, murder is wrong. If God says murdering innocents is right, it is right. Their system of morality is based entirely on what Allah says is right and wrong in the Koran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_objectivism#The_Divine_alone
Christianity bases morality on the Divine and Reason. God created rational beings who have a Natural Law that determines what is right and wrong. God tells us what is right and wrong in the Bible, though the Natural Law comes from the simple fact that he created us with a purpose. The Natural law extends beyond the Bible. For example, no government can take my freedom of speech because I was born with the right to free speech. I cannot willingly give away my right to free speech - it is inherent in being human. Things that come inherently to human beings, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, are provided by the Natural Law.
God could never say that murdering an innocent person is right because that opposes the natural law, with which he created human beings for a purpose. This is the problem with Islamic law: Allah CAN say that murdering an innocent person is right because he is Allah. They have no understanding of natural law.
If God said that murdering an innocent person is right, then why would he have created human beings in the first place? It opposes reason; therefore, Islam's moral teachings are false.
-Enoch Powell
yeah, it's not like we're last or near last in education when compared to the rest of the insutrialize wor......ohhhhhh, wait a minute...
.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Honoring what culture? The culture that you left or the culture that you entered?
I do not think it is appropriate for Muslims to come to Europe and to continue honoring the culture that they came from. They can have whatever religious views they want...of course, I'm not a European...thanks be to God.
-Enoch Powell
Actually if we got rid of our immigrant population, we'd be on par with other countries.
All the more reason to stop immigration, eh?!
-Enoch Powell
no we wouldn't, do you have anything to back this up?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm not talking about honoring the 'extreme' in said culture. Here's what I'm talking about. I had a good friend in high school that was from India. He moved to Pelham, Alabama with his parents when he was 2 or 3. He is as much of a 'good ol' boy from the south' as the rest of his friends, yet he still honors and appreciates his roots. He knows his native language (his parents did not speak english very well), but he speaks it with a helluva southern accent.;)
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
You are kidding, right?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
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he's a fascist...he actually said you should be allowed to kill civilians w/ your military if you can get away w/ it
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm hoping he's just trying be inflammatory and doesn't really believe that.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Show a video of Muslim extremists...
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Edit: btw, I know what you're implying, and I hope it wasn't directed toward me.
Nope, you'll see a few guys on this board who seem to think it's either a representative of muslims or Iraqis.
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You need to drop the anger bit. I used to enjoy the levelheadness you brought to the board. I used to get angered by things I read here almost everyday but I try not to let it stress me out anymore and just take it with a grain of salt.
I don't think that people are saying these clips represent all of America but we definitely do have problems when it comes to how we weigh up against the rest of the world education-wise.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Maybe, but not everyone, of course. Common sense tells us that you could go to any country and find uninformed people to interview. I think what makes this piece so funny is the sterotypes people have of americans. Sterotyping is never a good thing, but I also believe one should be able to laugh at themselves. I'm all for comedy. I'm a huge Southpark fan. They are so politically incorrect and they insult equally, across the board. I'm a southerner and I'm the first to laugh at a 'redneck' joke.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
This is true - you called it. I go through cycles on here. Lately I think I've been sucked in. Usually I post with a grin on my face, but haven't been doing that much lately. Thanks for the reminder!
And yet we lead the world's economy. We innovate and create at a faster pace than anywhere else. People from all over the world come here for post-secondary education. I guess we have such a large, diverse population base, that the really dumb in this country pull the average down. And the NEA and school boards tend to dumb the curriculum down to teach to the lowest common denominator.
I'd put our brightest up against any other country in the world.
I agree with everything you just said, and in fact also pointed out that Leno does the same thing all of the time. I do find it funny. Until I see ignorance displayed here with peope extrapolating what they're seeing in this video to the "average American".
Perhaps. It's too bad so so many here will never get the chance at going to one of our own fine universities.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I know you won't like my response, but I personally feel that the average american should be MORE informed. I think this was an exaggerated piece for comedic value, but the average american probably does not get as 'deep' as say, you or I. Not to say you or I are more intelligent, just that they are wrapped up in their own issues. Again, this case can be made for anyone in any country.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I made a completely factual statement.
Without our immigrant population, our test scores as a nation would be higher. The immigrants I speak of are mostly Latino. They bring down test scores massively.
-Enoch Powell
-Enoch Powell
Something else that I personally feel (and I used to debate this with my dad all the time) is, since we feel and profess to be the 'best & leader' in the world, I feel we should lead by example, 'be the change you want to see' so to speak.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
It's not ignorant religious bigotry. It is a clear and convincing picture of what Islam teaches. Obviously you know nothing of Islam.
Typical European: "you're a bigot!" while they're being forced to give Islamic instruction to Muslims with taxpayer dollars, all in favor of being open-minded and liberal, of course!
Liberalism: the ideology of western suicide.
-Enoch Powell
Following your simple logic: Any monkey that just happens to have been born within the geographic area designated as 'America' is, by that mere fact alone, a patriot.
I.e, the word 'patriot' is completely meaningless.
what you are saying here is completely wrong. no one ever said that being born in a geographic location is patriotic...read it again.
from my window to yours
They blew themselves up because they felt angry and disgusted at the Iraq war. It's an easy and lazy answer to simply say that they blew themselves up 'because they were raised in Islamic extremism'. There are plenty more people in this country who are disgusted at Blairs obedience to Bush et al. The I.R.A used to also bomb England because they were angry and disgusted at the English occupation.
Every action produces a reaction.
I disagree, I think you are the one who doesn't no a thing about Islam.
Ok, maybe not a religious bigot but you are ignorant.
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Actually I found it:
http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/050524_nd.htm
He outlines that Mexicans who come to our country are far less educated than the immigrants that come to other countries, which are compared with us in test scoring. Therefore, our test scores do not completely reflect the "American" component, seeing as how we have so many idiot immigrants coming in with hardly any education.
It's our fault for letting them enter in the first place.
-Enoch Powell