Why Do Athiests

know1

Ahnimus wrote:

Then God makes no sense. Right?

Only if you think human knowledge and logic is the end-all be-all to the universe (in other words, have an extremely closed mind).

Ahnimus

know1 wrote:

Only if you think human knowledge and logic is the end-all be-all to the universe (in other words, have an extremely closed mind).

The Word is Logos (logic, reason).

As above so below.

Heaven is, as a dead carcass.

know1

soulsinging wrote:

this is exactly why. it's not an act of compassion. it's a pitying act of condescension. it's annoying as shit and makes me want to smack you self righteous fuckers around. if i need your prayers or your pity, ill ask for it. otherwise, you can take your prayers and go fuck yourself.

I respectfully disagree. See my hit by a truck example.

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

I'd still like to hear someone answer this one...

yes it is. and your pity is not compassionate. it's arrogant, disrespectful, and condescending. your own book tells you you have no right to pass judgment on others, yet every time you pity someone for their beliefs you are passing judgment on them.

crittables

know1 wrote:

I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.

Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.

so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?


the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.

and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.

know1

Ahnimus wrote:

The Word is Logos (logic, reason).

As above so below.

Heaven is, as a dead carcass.

Ok....whatever you say...

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

I respectfully disagree. See my hit by a truck example.

it changes nothing. getting hit by a truck kills you. me having a different belief from you is not in the same ball park. i don't pity people who root for terrible baseball teams unless im trying to gloat a little bit. and that is how your pity is perceived by atheists. gloating, when you really don't have much to gloat over. and that is why they get so angry with you.

you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.

onelongsong

Cosmo wrote:

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You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
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Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
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That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?

it is thier way of showing compassion. hinduism believes you are reincarnated until you find enlightenment; as do other religions. the concept of hell is limited to only a couple religions. if someone tells you that you are going to hell; they missed the whole point. religion is forgiveness and love.

know1

crittables wrote:

so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?


the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.

and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.

Actually, I think it's much worse than being hit by a bus, but I wanted to use an earthly example you folks could understand.

I can understand not thinking the praying would do anything, but I can't see why you would think it was harmful for someone to be praying for you. To you, it should be the equivalent of "positive thoughts".

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.

Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.

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Hit by a truck because they do not possess the common sense that you do by staying on the sidewalk, right?
They don't need you to save them or warn them. That truck may not even exist... you don't know. And if you say, if it (the truck/God) does exist... then, they're going to pay dearly, is basically saying you believe **Just In Case** God exists.
I don't believe that. i think that you truely believe what you believe is the truth... which is fine by me. Your faith is not my business... just as an atheist's lack of faith is theirs. I don't need to be saved by any other human on this planet... I really don't care what others feel about me. I know who I am and i know my faults and I know my attributes. I don't ever feel to save anyone from their beliefs... I simply accept them. Even if their beliefs are not for me.

surferdude

crittables wrote:

the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.

and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.

Why should you care if someone feels sorry for you if it does not affect the way you are treated? Why would you so want to control people's lives and what acceptable feelings are? Why would it bother anyone to learn someone mentioned you in a prayer? Has this incovenienced you in any way?

know1

soulsinging wrote:

it changes nothing. getting hit by a truck kills you. me having a different belief from you is not in the same ball park. i don't pity people who root for terrible baseball teams unless im trying to gloat a little bit. and that is how your pity is perceived by atheists. gloating, when you really don't have much to gloat over. and that is why they get so angry with you.

You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.

im not telling you how you feel, im telling you how your pity is perceived and why atheists are mad abotu it.

you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.

know1

onelongsong wrote:

it is thier way of showing compassion. hinduism believes you are reincarnated until you find enlightenment; as do other religions. the concept of hell is limited to only a couple religions. if someone tells you that you are going to hell; they missed the whole point. religion is forgiveness and love.

Religion is forgiveness and love. The fact that your sins can be forgiven and you avoid hell demonstrates both.

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.

yes, but if 10 people saw someone getting hit by a bus, 10 out of 10 would say "that fucker's gonna get killed!" if 10 people saw someone being an atheist, each person would say something different, from "accept jesus" to "right on man!" that is the difference, and that is why your pity is misplaced, arrogant, and perceived as condescending and self-righteous.

onelongsong

crittables wrote:

so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?


the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.

and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.

then ignore it; don't attack it. if someone prays for you it's usually done silently. how does that annoy you?

crittables

surferdude wrote:

Why should you care if someone feels sorry for you if it does not affect the way you are treated? Why would you so want to control people's lives and what acceptable feelings are? Why would it bother anyone to learn someone mentioned you in a prayer? Has this incovenienced you in any way?

it's just really annoying when someone says they'll pray for me or feel sorry for me b/c it implies that they think i'm wrong and in need of it. if you want to pray for me, then pray for me, but don't tell me about it.

Abookamongstthemany

know1 wrote:

Religion is forgiveness and love. The fact that your sins can be forgiven and you avoid hell demonstrates both.

it demonstrates ego, anger, judgement and the need to be begged to.

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

Actually, I think it's much worse than being hit by a bus, but I wanted to use an earthly example you folks could understand.

I can understand not thinking the praying would do anything, but I can't see why you would think it was harmful for someone to be praying for you. To you, it should be the equivalent of "positive thoughts".

do you want to succeed in business on your own merits? or are you perfectly ok with your daddy pulling strings to get you your promotions, rather than being judged on your merits? regardless of whether or not it's working, that kind of egocentric meddling (i know what's good for you better than you do and ill give it to you whether you want it or not) pisses people off.

Ahnimus

know1 wrote:

Ok....whatever you say...

Are you certain that Christ is not an anthropomorphism of the Sun?

Or that your religious experience, is not just decreased pareital lobe acitivy, increased temporal lobe activity and dimethyltryptamine production of the pineal gland?