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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    Yes.

    And there is the answer to the orginal question. No, I don't feel I, an agnostic, display anger toward very many people of religion. Any anger toward people is misplaced, but my frustration with it is the absolute arrogance that of all the religions there are, mine is the right one. Not only that, but the extremely dark and freightening arrogance associated with not only believing that all others are definately wrong, but that for being wrong, they are going to spend in eternity in pain.

    Honestly, I don't think that most people that identify themselves as Christians even believe that, but those that do...that is what I cannot stand. If they don't make it a topic, I can live with it, but if they push it, then the anger comes out, and rightly so.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Do you fight against abortion and homosexuality? Do you fight to preserve your Christian traditions in our societies? Do you obscure the truth of Christianity by regurjitating the word of the Bible?

    I'm very much against abortion and I think homosexuality is a sin....just like any other sin that I might commit. I can't say that I "fight" against them, though.

    As to the other stuff, I'm not even sure what you mean. I don't recall quoting the bible very many times outside of church. I'm not sure I have too many Christian traditions. I go to a very liberal church and have a pretty relaxed interpretation which just means that I think it's primarily about having a personal relationship with God and accepting God as my savior.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    And there is the answer to the orginal question. No, I don't feel I, an agnostic, display anger toward very many people of religion. Any anger toward people is misplaced, but my frustration with it is the absolute arrogance that of all the religions there are, mine is the right one. Not only that, but the extremely dark and freightening arrogance associated with not only believing that all others are definately wrong, but that for being wrong, they are going to spend in eternity in pain.

    Honestly, I don't think that most people that identify themselves as Christians even believe that, but those that do...that is what I cannot stand. If they don't make it a topic, I can live with it, but if they push it, then the anger comes out, and rightly so.

    I understand what you're saying, but if I didn't believe that my faith was the right one, then I would believe in the one that I did think was right. I'm not as strict as some about beliefs, though.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    I'm very much against abortion and I think homosexuality is a sin....just like any other sin that I might commit. I can't say that I "fight" against them, though.

    As to the other stuff, I'm not even sure what you mean. I don't recall quoting the bible very many times outside of church. I'm not sure I have too many Christian traditions. I go to a very liberal church and have a pretty relaxed interpretation which just means that I think it's primarily about having a personal relationship with God and accepting God as my savior.

    I question the idea that all those that do not share your religion are going to hell is a "pretty relaxed interpretation."
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • crittables
    crittables Posts: 342
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Approx. 10,000


    are you including scientology in that count?:)
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    why do athiests have so much anger toward those of religion? religious threads here turn into athiest trying to prove those of religion are wrong. why? where does this anger come from. if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them. yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?
    ...
    Answer:
    "I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious."

    Quote:Originally Posted by Uncle Leo
    "Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?"
    ...
    Response: "Yes."
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I question the idea that all those that do not share your religion are going to hell is a "pretty relaxed interpretation."

    I mean I probably allow more leeway than some others of religion. That leeway doesn't extend all the way to athiests, though ;)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Answer:
    "I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious."

    Quote:Originally Posted by Uncle Leo
    "Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?"
    ...
    Response: "Yes."

    So saying you feel sorry for them (i.e. displaying compassion) is something that's bad?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    know1 wrote:
    Do you consider starting thread after thread after thread denouncing or trying to disprove religion "shoving it down people's throats"?

    (not saying you do this personally)

    I'd still like to hear someone answer this one...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    I mean I probably allow more leeway than some others of religion. That leeway doesn't extend all the way to athiests, though ;)

    Leeway? Isn't it up to god to give leeway? It's that judgemental attitude that turns me off about organized religion. I believe if there is a true God, it isn't a petty, judgemental one who needs to be worshipped...it's one that knows only love, beauty, harmony and unity. Otherwise your god is a flawed one with undesirable personality traits much like humans.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    I'd still like to hear someone answer this one...

    It's discussion. You can't make anyone read anything here. But when you add religious views to laws or how you view and treat others then it is forced upon people.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Leeway? Isn't it up to god to give leeway? It's that judgemental attitude that turns me off about organized religion. I believe if there is a true God, it isn't a petty, judgemental one who needs to be worshipped...it's one that knows only love, beauty, harmony and unity. Otherwise your god is a flawed one with undesirable personality traits much like humans.

    You're taking it too literal. I guess my point is that I do feel there are more alternate paths to God than some religious people do.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    know1 wrote:
    So saying you feel sorry for them (i.e. displaying compassion) is something that's bad?
    ...
    You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
    ...
    Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
    ...
    That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    I'm very much against abortion and I think homosexuality is a sin....just like any other sin that I might commit. I can't say that I "fight" against them, though.

    As to the other stuff, I'm not even sure what you mean. I don't recall quoting the bible very many times outside of church. I'm not sure I have too many Christian traditions. I go to a very liberal church and have a pretty relaxed interpretation which just means that I think it's primarily about having a personal relationship with God and accepting God as my savior.

    If Homosexuality is a sin, why did god make gay penguins?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It's discussion. You can't make anyone read anything here. But when you add religious views to laws or how you view and treat others then it is forced upon people.

    I'm not making any laws. I think when someone continually tries to disprove religion, it's no different from someone expressing their pro-religious views.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
    ...
    Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
    ...
    That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?

    I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.

    Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Ahnimus wrote:
    If Homosexuality is a sin, why did god make gay penguins?

    I'm not God. I don't try to explain God's logic using our pathetic human logic.

    Killing is a sin too, but animals kill each other all the time...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    even flow? wrote:
    Some people may just find it hard to listen to somebody go on about a god of which nobody has ever seen. Then the other side counters with the fact that that is what faith is. And then the circle keeps rolling from there. Of course you get your hardcore, softcore and jokesters throughout the thread.

    i'm glad you brought that up. why would an athiest participate in a debate about religion? i'm not talking about a debate where the question of whether God exists or not; just a general religious thread. in my years here; i've seen many good religious threads bombarded with athiests changing the original question and making it a debate whether God exists or not. why can't athiests respect others to talk about a subject matter even though they do not believe in the subject matter? in other words; why can't they let people of religion discuss a subject they choose to discuss? it gives the impression that athiests are rude and disrespectful which leads one to believe that thier ignorant behavior is because they don't believe in God. if they don't want to hear people go on about God; don't open a religious thread.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    I'm not God. I don't try to explain God's logic using our pathetic human logic.

    Killing is a sin too, but animals kill each other all the time...

    Then God makes no sense. Right?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them.

    this is exactly why. it's not an act of compassion. it's a pitying act of condescension. it's annoying as shit and makes me want to smack you self righteous fuckers around. if i need your prayers or your pity, ill ask for it. otherwise, you can take your prayers and go fuck yourself.
    onelongsong wrote:
    yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?

    just as many religious people can't wait to jump upon pagan heathens. even so, your self-righteous pity is disrespectful.

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