It's discussion. You can't make anyone read anything here. But when you add religious views to laws or how you view and treat others then it is forced upon people.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Leeway? Isn't it up to god to give leeway? It's that judgemental attitude that turns me off about organized religion. I believe if there is a true God, it isn't a petty, judgemental one who needs to be worshipped...it's one that knows only love, beauty, harmony and unity. Otherwise your god is a flawed one with undesirable personality traits much like humans.
You're taking it too literal. I guess my point is that I do feel there are more alternate paths to God than some religious people do.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So saying you feel sorry for them (i.e. displaying compassion) is something that's bad?
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You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
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Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
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That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm very much against abortion and I think homosexuality is a sin....just like any other sin that I might commit. I can't say that I "fight" against them, though.
As to the other stuff, I'm not even sure what you mean. I don't recall quoting the bible very many times outside of church. I'm not sure I have too many Christian traditions. I go to a very liberal church and have a pretty relaxed interpretation which just means that I think it's primarily about having a personal relationship with God and accepting God as my savior.
If Homosexuality is a sin, why did god make gay penguins?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's discussion. You can't make anyone read anything here. But when you add religious views to laws or how you view and treat others then it is forced upon people.
I'm not making any laws. I think when someone continually tries to disprove religion, it's no different from someone expressing their pro-religious views.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
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Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
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That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?
I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.
Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Some people may just find it hard to listen to somebody go on about a god of which nobody has ever seen. Then the other side counters with the fact that that is what faith is. And then the circle keeps rolling from there. Of course you get your hardcore, softcore and jokesters throughout the thread.
i'm glad you brought that up. why would an athiest participate in a debate about religion? i'm not talking about a debate where the question of whether God exists or not; just a general religious thread. in my years here; i've seen many good religious threads bombarded with athiests changing the original question and making it a debate whether God exists or not. why can't athiests respect others to talk about a subject matter even though they do not believe in the subject matter? in other words; why can't they let people of religion discuss a subject they choose to discuss? it gives the impression that athiests are rude and disrespectful which leads one to believe that thier ignorant behavior is because they don't believe in God. if they don't want to hear people go on about God; don't open a religious thread.
I'm not God. I don't try to explain God's logic using our pathetic human logic.
Killing is a sin too, but animals kill each other all the time...
Then God makes no sense. Right?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them.
this is exactly why. it's not an act of compassion. it's a pitying act of condescension. it's annoying as shit and makes me want to smack you self righteous fuckers around. if i need your prayers or your pity, ill ask for it. otherwise, you can take your prayers and go fuck yourself.
yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?
just as many religious people can't wait to jump upon pagan heathens. even so, your self-righteous pity is disrespectful.
Only if you think human knowledge and logic is the end-all be-all to the universe (in other words, have an extremely closed mind).
The Word is Logos (logic, reason).
As above so below.
Heaven is, as a dead carcass.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
this is exactly why. it's not an act of compassion. it's a pitying act of condescension. it's annoying as shit and makes me want to smack you self righteous fuckers around. if i need your prayers or your pity, ill ask for it. otherwise, you can take your prayers and go fuck yourself.
I respectfully disagree. See my hit by a truck example.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
yes it is. and your pity is not compassionate. it's arrogant, disrespectful, and condescending. your own book tells you you have no right to pass judgment on others, yet every time you pity someone for their beliefs you are passing judgment on them.
I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.
Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.
so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?
the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.
and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.
I respectfully disagree. See my hit by a truck example.
it changes nothing. getting hit by a truck kills you. me having a different belief from you is not in the same ball park. i don't pity people who root for terrible baseball teams unless im trying to gloat a little bit. and that is how your pity is perceived by atheists. gloating, when you really don't have much to gloat over. and that is why they get so angry with you.
you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.
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You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
...
Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
...
That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?
it is thier way of showing compassion. hinduism believes you are reincarnated until you find enlightenment; as do other religions. the concept of hell is limited to only a couple religions. if someone tells you that you are going to hell; they missed the whole point. religion is forgiveness and love.
so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?
the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.
and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.
Actually, I think it's much worse than being hit by a bus, but I wanted to use an earthly example you folks could understand.
I can understand not thinking the praying would do anything, but I can't see why you would think it was harmful for someone to be praying for you. To you, it should be the equivalent of "positive thoughts".
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.
Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.
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Hit by a truck because they do not possess the common sense that you do by staying on the sidewalk, right?
They don't need you to save them or warn them. That truck may not even exist... you don't know. And if you say, if it (the truck/God) does exist... then, they're going to pay dearly, is basically saying you believe **Just In Case** God exists.
I don't believe that. i think that you truely believe what you believe is the truth... which is fine by me. Your faith is not my business... just as an atheist's lack of faith is theirs. I don't need to be saved by any other human on this planet... I really don't care what others feel about me. I know who I am and i know my faults and I know my attributes. I don't ever feel to save anyone from their beliefs... I simply accept them. Even if their beliefs are not for me.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.
and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.
Why should you care if someone feels sorry for you if it does not affect the way you are treated? Why would you so want to control people's lives and what acceptable feelings are? Why would it bother anyone to learn someone mentioned you in a prayer? Has this incovenienced you in any way?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
it changes nothing. getting hit by a truck kills you. me having a different belief from you is not in the same ball park. i don't pity people who root for terrible baseball teams unless im trying to gloat a little bit. and that is how your pity is perceived by atheists. gloating, when you really don't have much to gloat over. and that is why they get so angry with you.
You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.
im not telling you how you feel, im telling you how your pity is perceived and why atheists are mad abotu it.
you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.
it is thier way of showing compassion. hinduism believes you are reincarnated until you find enlightenment; as do other religions. the concept of hell is limited to only a couple religions. if someone tells you that you are going to hell; they missed the whole point. religion is forgiveness and love.
Religion is forgiveness and love. The fact that your sins can be forgiven and you avoid hell demonstrates both.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.
yes, but if 10 people saw someone getting hit by a bus, 10 out of 10 would say "that fucker's gonna get killed!" if 10 people saw someone being an atheist, each person would say something different, from "accept jesus" to "right on man!" that is the difference, and that is why your pity is misplaced, arrogant, and perceived as condescending and self-righteous.
so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?
the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.
and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.
then ignore it; don't attack it. if someone prays for you it's usually done silently. how does that annoy you?
Why should you care if someone feels sorry for you if it does not affect the way you are treated? Why would you so want to control people's lives and what acceptable feelings are? Why would it bother anyone to learn someone mentioned you in a prayer? Has this incovenienced you in any way?
it's just really annoying when someone says they'll pray for me or feel sorry for me b/c it implies that they think i'm wrong and in need of it. if you want to pray for me, then pray for me, but don't tell me about it.
Actually, I think it's much worse than being hit by a bus, but I wanted to use an earthly example you folks could understand.
I can understand not thinking the praying would do anything, but I can't see why you would think it was harmful for someone to be praying for you. To you, it should be the equivalent of "positive thoughts".
do you want to succeed in business on your own merits? or are you perfectly ok with your daddy pulling strings to get you your promotions, rather than being judged on your merits? regardless of whether or not it's working, that kind of egocentric meddling (i know what's good for you better than you do and ill give it to you whether you want it or not) pisses people off.
Are you certain that Christ is not an anthropomorphism of the Sun?
Or that your religious experience, is not just decreased pareital lobe acitivy, increased temporal lobe activity and dimethyltryptamine production of the pineal gland?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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It's discussion. You can't make anyone read anything here. But when you add religious views to laws or how you view and treat others then it is forced upon people.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You're taking it too literal. I guess my point is that I do feel there are more alternate paths to God than some religious people do.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You feel 'sorry' for them because they do not believe as you do... Yeah, I think that's... well, not 'bad'. But, definately not GOOD.
...
Why not let them be? No one needs your sympathy for not being like you.
...
That's the problem I have with religion... all religions. The exclusive nature of most of them. The whole, 'if you don't believe as I believe... you are going to Hell' thing. And going to Hell... what do you think about people that go to Hell? are they good people? If they are... why are they going to Hell?
Hail, Hail!!!
If Homosexuality is a sin, why did god make gay penguins?
I'm not making any laws. I think when someone continually tries to disprove religion, it's no different from someone expressing their pro-religious views.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I do let them be. I'm not out there trying to actively convert people.
Here's the thing. I feel sorry for them in the way that I would feel sorry for someone who was standing in the street about to be hit by a truck.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I'm not God. I don't try to explain God's logic using our pathetic human logic.
Killing is a sin too, but animals kill each other all the time...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i'm glad you brought that up. why would an athiest participate in a debate about religion? i'm not talking about a debate where the question of whether God exists or not; just a general religious thread. in my years here; i've seen many good religious threads bombarded with athiests changing the original question and making it a debate whether God exists or not. why can't athiests respect others to talk about a subject matter even though they do not believe in the subject matter? in other words; why can't they let people of religion discuss a subject they choose to discuss? it gives the impression that athiests are rude and disrespectful which leads one to believe that thier ignorant behavior is because they don't believe in God. if they don't want to hear people go on about God; don't open a religious thread.
Then God makes no sense. Right?
this is exactly why. it's not an act of compassion. it's a pitying act of condescension. it's annoying as shit and makes me want to smack you self righteous fuckers around. if i need your prayers or your pity, ill ask for it. otherwise, you can take your prayers and go fuck yourself.
just as many religious people can't wait to jump upon pagan heathens. even so, your self-righteous pity is disrespectful.
Only if you think human knowledge and logic is the end-all be-all to the universe (in other words, have an extremely closed mind).
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The Word is Logos (logic, reason).
As above so below.
Heaven is, as a dead carcass.
I respectfully disagree. See my hit by a truck example.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
yes it is. and your pity is not compassionate. it's arrogant, disrespectful, and condescending. your own book tells you you have no right to pass judgment on others, yet every time you pity someone for their beliefs you are passing judgment on them.
so you think that b/c i don't believe in your religion, what is to come to me in the future is the equivalent of being hit by a bus?
the thing is, we don't want you to feel sorry for us or to pray for us, it's annoying. we don't want you to pray for us b/c we don't believe it will do anything. and if we did, we would just do it ourselves.
and really, it's not that i don't believe in god or some sort of higher being, i just strongly disagree with the whole idea of organized religion.
Ok....whatever you say...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
it changes nothing. getting hit by a truck kills you. me having a different belief from you is not in the same ball park. i don't pity people who root for terrible baseball teams unless im trying to gloat a little bit. and that is how your pity is perceived by atheists. gloating, when you really don't have much to gloat over. and that is why they get so angry with you.
you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.
it is thier way of showing compassion. hinduism believes you are reincarnated until you find enlightenment; as do other religions. the concept of hell is limited to only a couple religions. if someone tells you that you are going to hell; they missed the whole point. religion is forgiveness and love.
Actually, I think it's much worse than being hit by a bus, but I wanted to use an earthly example you folks could understand.
I can understand not thinking the praying would do anything, but I can't see why you would think it was harmful for someone to be praying for you. To you, it should be the equivalent of "positive thoughts".
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Hit by a truck because they do not possess the common sense that you do by staying on the sidewalk, right?
They don't need you to save them or warn them. That truck may not even exist... you don't know. And if you say, if it (the truck/God) does exist... then, they're going to pay dearly, is basically saying you believe **Just In Case** God exists.
I don't believe that. i think that you truely believe what you believe is the truth... which is fine by me. Your faith is not my business... just as an atheist's lack of faith is theirs. I don't need to be saved by any other human on this planet... I really don't care what others feel about me. I know who I am and i know my faults and I know my attributes. I don't ever feel to save anyone from their beliefs... I simply accept them. Even if their beliefs are not for me.
Hail, Hail!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You're soo off base there it's ridiculous. I'm not gloating about anything. I genuinely am concerned about something I feel will happen to them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
im not telling you how you feel, im telling you how your pity is perceived and why atheists are mad abotu it.
you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.
Religion is forgiveness and love. The fact that your sins can be forgiven and you avoid hell demonstrates both.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
yes, but if 10 people saw someone getting hit by a bus, 10 out of 10 would say "that fucker's gonna get killed!" if 10 people saw someone being an atheist, each person would say something different, from "accept jesus" to "right on man!" that is the difference, and that is why your pity is misplaced, arrogant, and perceived as condescending and self-righteous.
then ignore it; don't attack it. if someone prays for you it's usually done silently. how does that annoy you?
it's just really annoying when someone says they'll pray for me or feel sorry for me b/c it implies that they think i'm wrong and in need of it. if you want to pray for me, then pray for me, but don't tell me about it.
it demonstrates ego, anger, judgement and the need to be begged to.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
do you want to succeed in business on your own merits? or are you perfectly ok with your daddy pulling strings to get you your promotions, rather than being judged on your merits? regardless of whether or not it's working, that kind of egocentric meddling (i know what's good for you better than you do and ill give it to you whether you want it or not) pisses people off.
Are you certain that Christ is not an anthropomorphism of the Sun?
Or that your religious experience, is not just decreased pareital lobe acitivy, increased temporal lobe activity and dimethyltryptamine production of the pineal gland?