I don't think it is an issue callen. People, all people should be free to love as they choose, where they choose. All I meant was that I have a problem with PDAs. That doesn't mean that everybody should stop participating in them.
My friends, gay and straight know that I'm not big on them, and mostly they refrain from looking like they need a room or a bucket of cold water around me. I mean, I don't get upset with touching, or hugging or kissing, but groping and trying to touch someone's lower intestine by shoving your tongue down their throat is something I really DO NOT NEED TO SEE! But I have been known to remove myself from the situation if it looks like folks can't control themselves. So it's all good. Not really an issue. Just a personal preference.
I think what we were saying (at least what I was saying) is that you can't give a reason for a LAW against gay marriage without resorting to religion. I think that's true, as I've never heard anyone do it.
If it's just a matter of your own personal preference, that doesn't require a reason ... we like what we like, often without even knowing why
i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.
if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.
now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?
i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.
if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.
now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?
why do athiests have so much anger toward those of religion? religious threads here turn into athiest trying to prove those of religion are wrong. why? where does this anger come from. if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them. yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?
I haven't been on the board much in the past fews days and unfortunately have missed most of this disscussion so Ill just answer the question you posed (Ill read through the thread after work).
From the moment I stepped into primary school I was told God was real, I went to mass every week, had to sing hyms, do confirmation, first holy communion etc, all well and good I suppose. But noone ever told me any differing opinions, noone ever gave me a choice, I was brainwashed as a child by religion and personally that disgusts me and I feel sick whenever someone tries to tell me religion is not forced upon anyone.
Throughout history religion has been used as a tool for supression of free political thought, it was used to cement the powers of kings and queens, it was used to make men powerful and rich, it was used to perpetuate conflict and bloodshed. This was not just 200 years ago, it goes on today. Major Christian churches took a stance of non involvment in the African American slave trade, the chuch forbade the use of contraception resulting in the deaths of untold numbers of Africans from AIDS despite the fact that the Catholic church had and has shares in Durex. Priests in the Catholic church were allowed to fuck little boys and girls and their 'little indiscretions' were swept under the carpet and if things got bad they were simply moved to another parish. The age of consent in The Vatican is 12 years of age, and considering the history and nature of this branch of christianity I wouldn't ignore that. An Evangilist minister in a church in my city described the Tsunami disaster of recent as "Gods way of punishing non believers", a Televangelist in America said a similar thing about Hurricane Katrina being Gods way of stopping a Gay Pride parade due to take place in New Orleans 3 days after the hurricane. The bible is a sexist book that prtrays women as heathen, adulturous whores who were responsible for our expulsion from paradise. Religion has given us money hungry idiots like L. Ron fucking Hubbard.
Religion throughout history up to the present day has shown itself to be a cancer on human existence. I do not deny that religion has the potential to be a positive force however for the reasons I have listed above and many many more I do not believe the good to outway the bad and I do not understand how any loving, sane, compassionate adult can ask me why I cannot just leave people to their beliefs and not be so angry.
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and i thanked everyone for giving me a new understanding of atheism. i think it's back a few pages.
i didn't bring up homosexuality. someone said no one can give a reason against homosexuality without it being religiously based. so i gave my reason.
i don't care what people do in private. i'm just thankful they can't breed.
To be fair, you didn't give a reason. you just said 'that's how it is' basically.
The hate in that bolded line is making me leave this thread uncomfortably. No swearing or anything, I'll just say that I really, really find that kind of mindset offensive.
i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.
if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.
now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?
i'm sure it will be. why not record it? the program isn't about the bible. at least 3 religions reference these commandments. i think it's more of a documentary but an atheist may find it religious. i think it's mostly historical and archeological (sp?) facts.
i dont have a vcr... my analaogue days are sadly over
well; you've got most of it wrong. let me straighten you out.
died of a brain aneurysm and resusitated.
living after severe damage to my front right lobe and vagas nerve
fronted a popular band and had the aneurysm just after receiving a recording contract. this ended my singing career. several people on the board have my covers cd. jeanie is one that can back that up.
killed one person. i am still a licensed bounty hunter but haven't done that since 1998.
never in a militia or a comando. i own at least 30 guns but that makes me a collector; not anything else.
never healed anyone with water. only gave holy water as a gift to those who would appreciate it.
research by many other facilities have shown great improvements and people cured with buffalo meat. why would my naturally raised buffalo be the only buffalo meat NOT to give the same results?
never once said NEVER LOST A CASE. the comment was "impressive record".
i consider myself a loyola alumni but i attended several colleges. i spent 20 years in college but i worked the entire time. thus the long period of time.
i'll admitt i inherited a lot of money but i also worked my entire life.
i stopped drawing salary so i didn't have to pay taxes. no income-no taxes owed. however; since i put everything in my daughters name; she paid the taxes due.
i was identified as a criminal falsely and because my ranch is so remote; i couldn't be found. during this time my attorneys cleared my name. the real drug smuggler fled back to poland where he died in a car accident. i never used a false identity; what i said was that the government was looking for a dead guy.
so; did i explain that simple enough for you? or should i use smaller words?
close... id still like to know what the name of the band was and where your law degree is from. being in college 20 years doesn't make you a lawyer. you have to go to a law school and get a jd and pass the bar. im wondering what school. is it loyola?
that said, the rest clears up a few things. you ought not be so cryptic. and you ought to write a book if even half that stuff is true. or hire me to write it for you... cos you may be wealthy but im not yet
close... id still like to know what the name of the band was and where your law degree is from. being in college 20 years doesn't make you a lawyer. you have to go to a law school and get a jd and pass the bar. im wondering what school. is it loyola?
that said, the rest clears up a few things. you ought not be so cryptic. and you ought to write a book if even half that stuff is true. or hire me to write it for you... cos you may be wealthy but im not yet
To be fair, you didn't give a reason. you just said 'that's how it is' basically.
The hate in that bolded line is making me leave this thread uncomfortably. No swearing or anything, I'll just say that I really, really find that kind of mindset offensive.
Pj&t, don't leave. I'm quite sure that ols wasn't in any way advocating hate.
He's really not that kind of guy. Perhaps he's not all embracing of homosexuality but it would be far better if you stayed and attempted to discuss this issue calmly. I'm quite sure that even if you don't agree you can come to a better understanding of each others pov. Leaving offended will solve nothing. Stay?
close... id still like to know what the name of the band was and where your law degree is from. being in college 20 years doesn't make you a lawyer. you have to go to a law school and get a jd and pass the bar. im wondering what school. is it loyola?
that said, the rest clears up a few things. you ought not be so cryptic. and you ought to write a book if even half that stuff is true. or hire me to write it for you... cos you may be wealthy but im not yet
i've got other offers to write my biography and a woman in GA has the rough draft and i'm waiting for the offer. $$$$$. she thinks it'll make a good movie with my songs as the soundtrack. i think she's full of bs because i know people that have been through much more than me. i think she just leads a sheltered life.
the bands name is private because this is an annonimous forum. i attended several schools because i moved around alot. if i had to recall where i studied tort; family; etc; i don't think i could remember. that part of my life ended with my surgery. because i was working full time; i only studied one section at a time. thus; i cannot give you an honest answer without listing several schools.
Pj&t, don't leave. I'm quite sure that ols wasn't in any way advocating hate.
He's really not that kind of guy. Perhaps he's not all embracing of homosexuality but it would be far better if you stayed and attempted to discuss this issue calmly. I'm quite sure that even if you don't agree you can come to a better understanding of each others pov. Leaving offended will solve nothing. Stay?
Pj&t, don't leave. I'm quite sure that ols wasn't in any way advocating hate.
He's really not that kind of guy. Perhaps he's not all embracing of homosexuality but it would be far better if you stayed and attempted to discuss this issue calmly. I'm quite sure that even if you don't agree you can come to a better understanding of each others pov. Leaving offended will solve nothing. Stay?
how did i advocate hate? my best resturant customer is gay. i don't give a s**t. he's a nice guy. i just don't want to see it. that's my opinion.
To be clear that doesn't make what he said any less horrible, I just needed a break. :-/
Pj&t a few pages back in this thread we talked about generational differences in terms of acceptance of homosexuality. I don't think that ols is trying to be horrible or hateful. It's just a statement of opinion. The world as he sees it based on his generational upbringing.
Maybe you aren't advocating hate (not my words anyway) but what you said there was ... just not cool.
people that tell me how i should think and feel really piss me off. especially hypocrites. those who preach pro gay issues yet condemn others like polygamists or others. roland posted the link below on another thread. his comment was I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS SO POPULAR or something to that effect. when people are willing to accept EVERYONE; i'm more than happy to listen to them. until then they're just hypocrites.
Pj&t a few pages back in this thread we talked about generational differences in terms of acceptance of homosexuality. I don't think that ols is trying to be horrible or hateful. It's just a statement of opinion. The world as he sees it based on his generational upbringing.
It doesn't really matter where it came from, it's still a horrible thing to say.
people that tell me how i should think and feel really piss me off. especially hypocrites. those who preach pro gay issues yet condemn others like polygamists or others. roland posted the link below on another thread. his comment was I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS SO POPULAR or something to that effect. when people are willing to accept EVERYONE; i'm more than happy to listen to them. until then they're just hypocrites.
how did i advocate hate? my best resturant customer is gay. i don't give a s**t. he's a nice guy. i just don't want to see it. that's my opinion.
I understood your intention but I can also understand how some might find what to you was a throw away comment, offensive or hateful.
But if I remember correctly a VERY long time ago we discussed homosexuals as parents on a thread and I'm fairly certain that you agreed that good homosexual parents are better than bad heterosexual ones. Or am I confused?
Anyway for the sake of clarification, if your best restaraunt customer, who is gay, decided to start a family even if it didn't thrill you I'm quite sure you wouldn't be outright rude or offensive to him right?
I understood your intention but I can also understand how some might find what to you was a throw away comment, offensive or hateful.
But if I remember correctly a VERY long time ago we discussed homosexuals as parents on a thread and I'm fairly certain that you agreed that good homosexual parents are better than bad heterosexual ones. Or am I confused?
Anyway for the sake of clarification, if your best restaraunt customer, who is gay, decided to start a family even if it didn't thrill you I'm quite sure you wouldn't be outright rude or offensive to him right?
my problem is what the kids will go through. the gay parents i've seen or had personal experience with were married; then divorced to go with a gay lover. those kids got beat up and made fun of. the kids grew up hating the gay parent and gays in general. that is my objection.
my problem is what the kids will go through. the gay parents i've seen or had personal experience with were married; then divorced to go with a gay lover. those kids got beat up and made fun of. the kids grew up hating the gay parent and gays in general. that is my objection.
Yes and it's bad. But these things do happen in heterosexual relationships too. Not exactly the same, but certainly bad things do happen.
I think if there is more widespread acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual parenting that eventually we will see less and less of this kind of marriage breakdown. Hopefully gay men will know and understand themselves better and will not spend years living a lie as heterosexual family men needing to eventually break out.
Dude, you said that you're glad gay people can't breed.
I tried to give it another shot calmly, but you're seriously fucked up.
if you're gay; and you try to tell me how to think and feel; and keep pushing the issue; i will hate you. not because you're gay; but because you're trying to tell me how to think and feel. i don't allow anyone to do that. it's an invasion of my person.
if you were gay and someone kept telling you how it was wrong and how you should think and feel; you'd get pissed off about it too.
i don't think stupid people should breed either so it isn't just directed at gays.
i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.
if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.
now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?
Which bill? Gay marriage or civil union is now allowed in a handful of states, and I haven't heard of the polygamists rising up and demanding the right to marry multiple people.
As far as polygamy is concerned, we've gone round about this before, I'm not particularly in the mood to do it again. To briefly recap, I don't think there's any logical progression from allowing two people to marry one another to allowing large groups of people to intermarry however they like.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Pj&t, don't leave. I'm quite sure that ols wasn't in any way advocating hate.
He's really not that kind of guy. Perhaps he's not all embracing of homosexuality but it would be far better if you stayed and attempted to discuss this issue calmly. I'm quite sure that even if you don't agree you can come to a better understanding of each others pov. Leaving offended will solve nothing. Stay?
hahaha, cos calm discussion has gotten us all so many places here historically. nobody's changing anyone's mind. what good is him staying to discuss going to do? they will go round in circles over the same old tired material yet again. i do it cos i get a kick out of it. if it makes him uncomfortable, why shouldn't he leave? you think he's going to change ols's mind or vice versa?
i've got other offers to write my biography and a woman in GA has the rough draft and i'm waiting for the offer. $$$$$. she thinks it'll make a good movie with my songs as the soundtrack. i think she's full of bs because i know people that have been through much more than me. i think she just leads a sheltered life.
the bands name is private because this is an annonimous forum. i attended several schools because i moved around alot. if i had to recall where i studied tort; family; etc; i don't think i could remember. that part of my life ended with my surgery. because i was working full time; i only studied one section at a time. thus; i cannot give you an honest answer without listing several schools.
this is flat out bullshit. eventually, a given school awards you a degree. like i said, taking 20 different classes doesn't magically award you a jd. that degree comes from somewhere. why not just be honest and admit that you never actually finished and got your degree? or that you never actually went to a real law school and you actually bought your degree online...
an honest answer would be the name of the school on the juris doctor degree you have. but you don't actually have one do you?
my problem is what the kids will go through. the gay parents i've seen or had personal experience with were married; then divorced to go with a gay lover. those kids got beat up and made fun of. the kids grew up hating the gay parent and gays in general. that is my objection.
so did band geeks. so did nerdy straight a students, poor kids, kids that were ugly, kids that were fat, kids that were stupid. kids are cruel and pick on each other for many many reasons. putting an end to gay parenting isn't going to stop that.
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i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.
if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.
now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?
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From the moment I stepped into primary school I was told God was real, I went to mass every week, had to sing hyms, do confirmation, first holy communion etc, all well and good I suppose. But noone ever told me any differing opinions, noone ever gave me a choice, I was brainwashed as a child by religion and personally that disgusts me and I feel sick whenever someone tries to tell me religion is not forced upon anyone.
Throughout history religion has been used as a tool for supression of free political thought, it was used to cement the powers of kings and queens, it was used to make men powerful and rich, it was used to perpetuate conflict and bloodshed. This was not just 200 years ago, it goes on today. Major Christian churches took a stance of non involvment in the African American slave trade, the chuch forbade the use of contraception resulting in the deaths of untold numbers of Africans from AIDS despite the fact that the Catholic church had and has shares in Durex. Priests in the Catholic church were allowed to fuck little boys and girls and their 'little indiscretions' were swept under the carpet and if things got bad they were simply moved to another parish. The age of consent in The Vatican is 12 years of age, and considering the history and nature of this branch of christianity I wouldn't ignore that. An Evangilist minister in a church in my city described the Tsunami disaster of recent as "Gods way of punishing non believers", a Televangelist in America said a similar thing about Hurricane Katrina being Gods way of stopping a Gay Pride parade due to take place in New Orleans 3 days after the hurricane. The bible is a sexist book that prtrays women as heathen, adulturous whores who were responsible for our expulsion from paradise. Religion has given us money hungry idiots like L. Ron fucking Hubbard.
Religion throughout history up to the present day has shown itself to be a cancer on human existence. I do not deny that religion has the potential to be a positive force however for the reasons I have listed above and many many more I do not believe the good to outway the bad and I do not understand how any loving, sane, compassionate adult can ask me why I cannot just leave people to their beliefs and not be so angry.
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Says who?
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The hate in that bolded line is making me leave this thread uncomfortably. No swearing or anything, I'll just say that I really, really find that kind of mindset offensive.
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I'd support polygamy if girls could do it too!!
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i dont have a vcr... my analaogue days are sadly over
close... id still like to know what the name of the band was and where your law degree is from. being in college 20 years doesn't make you a lawyer. you have to go to a law school and get a jd and pass the bar. im wondering what school. is it loyola?
that said, the rest clears up a few things. you ought not be so cryptic. and you ought to write a book if even half that stuff is true. or hire me to write it for you... cos you may be wealthy but im not yet
soulsinging writing onelongsong's biography.
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Pj&t, don't leave. I'm quite sure that ols wasn't in any way advocating hate.
He's really not that kind of guy. Perhaps he's not all embracing of homosexuality but it would be far better if you stayed and attempted to discuss this issue calmly. I'm quite sure that even if you don't agree you can come to a better understanding of each others pov. Leaving offended will solve nothing. Stay?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
i've got other offers to write my biography and a woman in GA has the rough draft and i'm waiting for the offer. $$$$$. she thinks it'll make a good movie with my songs as the soundtrack. i think she's full of bs because i know people that have been through much more than me. i think she just leads a sheltered life.
the bands name is private because this is an annonimous forum. i attended several schools because i moved around alot. if i had to recall where i studied tort; family; etc; i don't think i could remember. that part of my life ended with my surgery. because i was working full time; i only studied one section at a time. thus; i cannot give you an honest answer without listing several schools.
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
Excellent work! Glad to see you back.
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"Make our day"
how did i advocate hate? my best resturant customer is gay. i don't give a s**t. he's a nice guy. i just don't want to see it. that's my opinion.
are you serious?
Maybe you aren't advocating hate (not my words anyway) but what you said there was ... just not cool.
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"Make our day"
Pj&t a few pages back in this thread we talked about generational differences in terms of acceptance of homosexuality. I don't think that ols is trying to be horrible or hateful. It's just a statement of opinion. The world as he sees it based on his generational upbringing.
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people that tell me how i should think and feel really piss me off. especially hypocrites. those who preach pro gay issues yet condemn others like polygamists or others. roland posted the link below on another thread. his comment was I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS SO POPULAR or something to that effect. when people are willing to accept EVERYONE; i'm more than happy to listen to them. until then they're just hypocrites.
http://www.sheepacrosstheworld.com/cgi-bin/humor.pl?humorId=1
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I tried to give it another shot calmly, but you're seriously fucked up.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
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"Make our day"
I understood your intention but I can also understand how some might find what to you was a throw away comment, offensive or hateful.
But if I remember correctly a VERY long time ago we discussed homosexuals as parents on a thread and I'm fairly certain that you agreed that good homosexual parents are better than bad heterosexual ones. Or am I confused?
Anyway for the sake of clarification, if your best restaraunt customer, who is gay, decided to start a family even if it didn't thrill you I'm quite sure you wouldn't be outright rude or offensive to him right?
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Hold on to the thread
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my problem is what the kids will go through. the gay parents i've seen or had personal experience with were married; then divorced to go with a gay lover. those kids got beat up and made fun of. the kids grew up hating the gay parent and gays in general. that is my objection.
Yes and it's bad. But these things do happen in heterosexual relationships too. Not exactly the same, but certainly bad things do happen.
I think if there is more widespread acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual parenting that eventually we will see less and less of this kind of marriage breakdown. Hopefully gay men will know and understand themselves better and will not spend years living a lie as heterosexual family men needing to eventually break out.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
if you're gay; and you try to tell me how to think and feel; and keep pushing the issue; i will hate you. not because you're gay; but because you're trying to tell me how to think and feel. i don't allow anyone to do that. it's an invasion of my person.
if you were gay and someone kept telling you how it was wrong and how you should think and feel; you'd get pissed off about it too.
i don't think stupid people should breed either so it isn't just directed at gays.
peace-out
As far as polygamy is concerned, we've gone round about this before, I'm not particularly in the mood to do it again. To briefly recap, I don't think there's any logical progression from allowing two people to marry one another to allowing large groups of people to intermarry however they like.
hahaha, cos calm discussion has gotten us all so many places here historically. nobody's changing anyone's mind. what good is him staying to discuss going to do? they will go round in circles over the same old tired material yet again. i do it cos i get a kick out of it. if it makes him uncomfortable, why shouldn't he leave? you think he's going to change ols's mind or vice versa?
this is flat out bullshit. eventually, a given school awards you a degree. like i said, taking 20 different classes doesn't magically award you a jd. that degree comes from somewhere. why not just be honest and admit that you never actually finished and got your degree? or that you never actually went to a real law school and you actually bought your degree online...
an honest answer would be the name of the school on the juris doctor degree you have. but you don't actually have one do you?
so did band geeks. so did nerdy straight a students, poor kids, kids that were ugly, kids that were fat, kids that were stupid. kids are cruel and pick on each other for many many reasons. putting an end to gay parenting isn't going to stop that.