I remember the days on this board when someone may have been skipping along on some sort of high, a post a minute sort of thing, and then all of the sudden there would be a reply from a jealous and quivering NeanderthalMAN sort of guy saying, "I'm calling you out, man!"
And it meant something.
Those were the days. LOL.
I have nothing to compare to gue, so I can only go by my experience of the pit in the now.
well i dont pretend it doesn't happen jeanie but by the same token, ive never been the victim of cyberbullying.
and as if you say some people are in physical danger from cyberbullies then they have to make the decision as to what course of action to take. if they choose to engage the cyber bully then that is their choice and they must be prepared to accept the outcomes of that action. im not trying to absolve bullies from responsibility either, because they are also responsible for their actions. if the mods choose not to ban a bully then the only thing to be done that i can see is to ignore them.
No I know you're not pretending it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that your experience and way of dealing with it, should it happen to you, would be vastly different to some other people. And that's fine, neither of you is right or wrong. Just different.
I'm not sure about the other point you make about not engaging them or having to be prepared for the outcome. I realize you're not trying to absolve anyone from the behaviour, or from their choices. I'm simply thinking about how we are all different and respond to things differently and are affected by things differently and perhaps it would be worth while discussing ways to handle cyber bullying that would be helpful for people that aren't able to respond or articulate themselves well in that kind of situation? I think what Roland was saying before about bullies and the ramifications of some of their actions is really worthwhile. I mean if we don't learn from the horrible things that have happened in other places on the internet are we not just inviting it to happen again? I just wondered how we would even go about changing things if we, the participants of the board, weren't even acknowledging it as a group? Perhaps amongst ourselves we've talked about it but we've not all had a group discussion about it. I don't know I was just thinking about the Allanah & Madeline Foundation and the initiatives that they've implimented in relation to bullying in schools and so forth for children and I was thinking that the first tool of change is awareness.
i suppose there is on here... as Finsy said they form cliques and then they get banned.
i think you'd need to be kinda weak to be cyber-bullied.. i have been caustic with posts but bullying would mean a habitual hunting down of someone just to ridicule their posts and i can only think of one corpulent retard who does that on here
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Well for starters there are laws to protect people from that kind of crap in life.
AND quite apart from that I'm sure that most of the abhorent behaviour that individuals utilize on the web probably wouldn't happen in day to day life anyway.
Jeanie my dear as much as i think your cause is good i think we should let it be. As Catefrances said just swith off computer, and come back when feeling stronger.
Sure there were times when i've felt being personally attacked, but it's internet....it's virtual world. I don't take too seriously, because at the end of the day i know it's not real life.
real bullying on the other hand especially in schools should be wiped out, cause a lot of kids get fucked up because of it
I haven't been posting on here long. And when I first started I was nervous of certain people.
But you know what? Fuck 'em. I f the most important thing they've got to do all day is take the piss or be rude to someone they don't even know..... Well, they've got pretty sad lives is all I can say.
If someone disagrees with my views or thinks I'm a twat....Well, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.
I find it amazing that the same people that don't understand what cyber bullying is, are the same people that don't understand what constitutes as bullying in real life.
I like the way it says cyber bullies COULD face up to two years in prison for threatening people. Did you read that dunk?
i have been caustic with posts but bullying would mean a habitual hunting down of someone just to ridicule their posts and i can only think of one corpulent retard who does that on here
shit somehow i feel that this can be said about me. i have on occasions stalked and tried to abuse people, but then i'm not very good at offending people. i don't think anyone ever got upset over something i've said. but then i do get bored of stalking the same person for more than 4 days so i move on.
but i think onelongsong deserves everything he gets, hopefully i'll be able to annoy him......just haven't been on the same threads he's been on.;) but i certainly will never forget the one i've seen though
I don't think there is such a thing as cyber bullying, at least not on a message board. Or, at least not on an adult level.
Politics might disagree with my view.
I agree... I can't see how it would work. I can't see how any adult who's right in the head could possibly be affected by anything someone says to them on a message board. I have seen before though where I've spoken my mind to somebody who may be part of a certain clique and then I notice a change in the ENTIRE clique towards me... to the extent where one or two seemed to have followed me into threads and commented on quite a few of my posts... but I just find it funny and childlike... I can't see how anyone could actually take it to heart .
Unless there's a whole different level that I'm not aware of
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If differs when it becomes an ongoing personal issue between personalities where the underlying purpose is to attack the individuals character itself, rather than what the person is actually saying, or the motive is to inflict emotional distress rather than have an actual discussion. It's a bit of a fine line, but if you take the same conversation as a face to face interaction, it quickly comes into perspective when all traces of sarcasm or humor are removed from the equation. It may not be as successful online, but the intent or will to cause intentional harm, can definitely be present.
Yeh, I can see this point. I've had someone take a dislike to me over some disagreement in a thread... and try and carry that disagreement into other threads and twist my words. I don't care. I can disagree with someone in one thread and get on great in the next. There is usually at least one thing that I agree with everybody on so once they find that they usually get over their little problem.
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Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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Well you're saying that we have the option to walk away from the board if we are being bullied, and that's true we do. However if we are also enjoying our time spent here in other areas why should we do that? Particularly if the person being the bully is able to continue on with a new "victim", completely unfettered and still displaying the behaviour. How does the bully learn that the behaviour isn't acceptable, how do those that watch it happen and see the outcome, ie the victim walking away, as anything other than a tacit agreement that the behaviour is acceptable and the only way to stop it is by walking away?
I would suggest that anyone here who's being bullied should pm me and allow me to sort it out
I LOVE dealing with people like that oh yeh!
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I agree... I can't see how it would work. I can't see how any adult who's right in the head could possibly be affected by anything someone says to them on a message board. I have seen before though where I've spoken my mind to somebody who may be part of a certain clique and then I notice a change in the ENTIRE clique towards me... to the extent where one or two seemed to have followed me into threads and commented on quite a few of my posts... but I just find it funny and childlike... I can't see how anyone could actually take it to heart .
Unless there's a whole different level that I'm not aware of
When I first joined I used to take things personally but I know better now. Some people still annoy me though. I know there have been threats on here. It's not really a big deal I guess but it might upset some people and apparently, legal action can be taken.
God, I sound so liberal. :eek:
Just some thought for others is what I'd like to see.
When I first joined I used to take things personally but I know better now. Some people still annoy me though. I know there have been threats on here. It's not really a big deal I guess but it might upset some people and apparently, legal action can be taken.
God, I sound so liberal. :eek:
Just some thought for others is what I'd like to see.
ah yeh, I used to take some things personally too but ya soon get over that... and even back then I wouldn't have seen ANY of it as bullying, just ignorance really.
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ah yeh, I used to take some things personally too but ya soon get over that... and even back then I wouldn't have seen ANY of it as bullying, just ignorance really.
Well it depends on your definition of bullying. Our Western governments are a bit over the top in trying not to upset anyone, which was my first thought when I read that article but, like I said, I just wish people would think a bit more. Anyone can form an opinion on someone and then open their mouths and go 'blah, blah, blah'.
Yeh, I can see this point. I've had someone take a dislike to me over some disagreement in a thread... and try and carry that disagreement into other threads and twist my words. I don't care. I can disagree with someone in one thread and get on great in the next. There is usually at least one thing that I agree with everybody on so once they find that they usually get over their little problem.
oh yeah i remember that person, but i think he ( i'm pretty sure from what i can remember it was he ) was just looking for a fight with someone anyway.
so he started having problems with you for a silly reason and try to blow it out of proportion
Well it depends on your definition of bullying. Our Western governments are a bit over the top in trying not to upset anyone, which was my first thought when I read that article but, like I said, I just wish people would think a bit more. Anyone can form an opinion on someone and then open their mouths and go 'blah, blah, blah'.
But I've explained how I don't think it's possible. I'd like someone to give me a specific example of what cyber bullying IS and how it's physically dangerous.
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Just did a quick google on cyber bullying and the majority of sites are pertaining to children.
However, it seems that cyber bullying isn't just the domain of children against other children or adults against children but also seems to be alive and well adult against adult.
Having read through the wiki and a few other articles I was thinking that we appear to have some of the behaviours listed going on here on PJ and I was wondering what the rest of you thought about it?
Do you think it happens here on PJ?
Do you think it happens more on one forum than the others?
Have you been subject to it?
Have you found yourself doing it?
What do you think we can do to eradicate it?
Cyber bullying is very real as I have been a victim of it in a totally unrelated fandom online.
It's amazing how evil grown ass women can be so manipulative and nasty and backstabbing towards someone online who disagrees with them on an issue.
Eventually, as I adopted some internet tracking tools on a messageboard I moderated, I was able to develop a very strong idea who the persons was behind the mole attacks on my board and harrassment of me, and when I gave out enough clues about who they were and implemented more security on my board, only then did the bullying stop.
Online bullies are akin to cyber terrorists. They hide in cyber caves and use the anonymity of the internet to wreck havoc on those they simply do not like. Only until they risk being discovered is when they back off or resume a different ID to keep up the harrassment.
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Cyber bullying is very real as I have been a victim of it in a totally unrelated fandom online.
It's amazing how evil grown ass women can be so manipulative and nasty and backstabbing towards someone online who disagrees with them on an issue.
Eventually, as I adopted some internet tracking tools on a messageboard I moderated, I was able to develop a very strong idea who the persons was behind the mole attacks on my board and harrassment of me, and when I gave out enough clues about who they were and implemented more security on my board, only then did the bullying stop.
Online bullies are akin to cyber terrorists. They hide in cyber caves and use the anonymity of the internet to wreck havoc on those they simply do not like. Only until they risk being discovered is when they back off or resume a different ID to keep up the harrassment.
i don't really know whether you're joking or not, at first i thought you were serious and then as i read on it all seemed to me to be a big joke.....
How exactly do you get bullied on a computer? Seriously!!
How daft do you have to be to get sucked into a verbal fight with somebody unless you want to. Don't hit that site, don't turn on the computer, so many ways around it and yet this is a problem. :rolleyes: Go smell a rose and wonder why the leaves turn red, fall off and grow back again.
Cyber bullying is very real as I have been a victim of it in a totally unrelated fandom online.
It's amazing how evil grown ass women can be so manipulative and nasty and backstabbing towards someone online who disagrees with them on an issue.
Eventually, as I adopted some internet tracking tools on a messageboard I moderated, I was able to develop a very strong idea who the persons was behind the mole attacks on my board and harrassment of me, and when I gave out enough clues about who they were and implemented more security on my board, only then did the bullying stop.
Online bullies are akin to cyber terrorists. They hide in cyber caves and use the anonymity of the internet to wreck havoc on those they simply do not like. Only until they risk being discovered is when they back off or resume a different ID to keep up the harrassment.
i'm sorry maybe i wasn't tactful in my previous message to you. but i don't understand how could someone who you don't know get under your skin so much. i mean how rude were they?
But I've explained how I don't think it's possible. I'd like someone to give me a specific example of what cyber bullying IS and how it's physically dangerous.
phsically dangerous it's not but the rest is said in the article.
phsically dangerous it's not but the rest is said in the article.
you do have some certain truth to your words, if it's a little kid or unstable person or both that are getting bullied then consequences can be disasterous, because when person has weak state of mind anything bad can happen. they start thinking that the whole world is against them...and then their thoughts will progressed fueled by online bullying.
but i still think it shouldn't be taken seriously in majority of cases
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fair enough. then i stand corrected and i apologise for my presumption.
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I have nothing to compare to gue, so I can only go by my experience of the pit in the now.
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No I know you're not pretending it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that your experience and way of dealing with it, should it happen to you, would be vastly different to some other people. And that's fine, neither of you is right or wrong. Just different.
I'm not sure about the other point you make about not engaging them or having to be prepared for the outcome. I realize you're not trying to absolve anyone from the behaviour, or from their choices. I'm simply thinking about how we are all different and respond to things differently and are affected by things differently and perhaps it would be worth while discussing ways to handle cyber bullying that would be helpful for people that aren't able to respond or articulate themselves well in that kind of situation? I think what Roland was saying before about bullies and the ramifications of some of their actions is really worthwhile. I mean if we don't learn from the horrible things that have happened in other places on the internet are we not just inviting it to happen again? I just wondered how we would even go about changing things if we, the participants of the board, weren't even acknowledging it as a group? Perhaps amongst ourselves we've talked about it but we've not all had a group discussion about it. I don't know I was just thinking about the Allanah & Madeline Foundation and the initiatives that they've implimented in relation to bullying in schools and so forth for children and I was thinking that the first tool of change is awareness.
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No need to apologize, it was a reasonable assumption to make. Just not correct in this case. It's no biggy.
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i think you'd need to be kinda weak to be cyber-bullied.. i have been caustic with posts but bullying would mean a habitual hunting down of someone just to ridicule their posts and i can only think of one corpulent retard who does that on here
we don't have to kiss each other's asses. Soulsinging just comes across tactless, that's why some people get offended.
yep, sometimes it happens so that the person is just a joker but he/she gets taken seriously, thats where the problem starts.
Jeanie my dear as much as i think your cause is good i think we should let it be. As Catefrances said just swith off computer, and come back when feeling stronger.
Sure there were times when i've felt being personally attacked, but it's internet....it's virtual world. I don't take too seriously, because at the end of the day i know it's not real life.
real bullying on the other hand especially in schools should be wiped out, cause a lot of kids get fucked up because of it
really? if someone does bully you then they should be fucking ashamed of themselves. i can't see how anyone can bully such a nice woman like you
But you know what? Fuck 'em. I f the most important thing they've got to do all day is take the piss or be rude to someone they don't even know..... Well, they've got pretty sad lives is all I can say.
If someone disagrees with my views or thinks I'm a twat....Well, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.
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yeah but they get it wrong when they close down some random threads and such threads like "pussy thread" :mad:
I like the way it says cyber bullies COULD face up to two years in prison for threatening people. Did you read that dunk?
shit somehow i feel that this can be said about me.
but i think onelongsong deserves everything he gets, hopefully i'll be able to annoy him......just haven't been on the same threads he's been on.;) but i certainly will never forget the one i've seen though
Unless there's a whole different level that I'm not aware of
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I LOVE dealing with people like that
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
When I first joined I used to take things personally but I know better now. Some people still annoy me though. I know there have been threats on here. It's not really a big deal I guess but it might upset some people and apparently, legal action can be taken.
God, I sound so liberal. :eek:
Just some thought for others is what I'd like to see.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Well it depends on your definition of bullying. Our Western governments are a bit over the top in trying not to upset anyone, which was my first thought when I read that article but, like I said, I just wish people would think a bit more. Anyone can form an opinion on someone and then open their mouths and go 'blah, blah, blah'.
oh yeah i remember that person, but i think he ( i'm pretty sure from what i can remember it was he ) was just looking for a fight with someone anyway.
so he started having problems with you for a silly reason and try to blow it out of proportion
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
aww...that's nice
on this forum woman is in charge, and if she sees her offspring getting harassed she will kick you ass
Cyber bullying is very real as I have been a victim of it in a totally unrelated fandom online.
It's amazing how evil grown ass women can be so manipulative and nasty and backstabbing towards someone online who disagrees with them on an issue.
Eventually, as I adopted some internet tracking tools on a messageboard I moderated, I was able to develop a very strong idea who the persons was behind the mole attacks on my board and harrassment of me, and when I gave out enough clues about who they were and implemented more security on my board, only then did the bullying stop.
Online bullies are akin to cyber terrorists. They hide in cyber caves and use the anonymity of the internet to wreck havoc on those they simply do not like. Only until they risk being discovered is when they back off or resume a different ID to keep up the harrassment.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
i don't really know whether you're joking or not, at first i thought you were serious and then as i read on it all seemed to me to be a big joke.....
How daft do you have to be to get sucked into a verbal fight with somebody unless you want to. Don't hit that site, don't turn on the computer, so many ways around it and yet this is a problem. :rolleyes: Go smell a rose and wonder why the leaves turn red, fall off and grow back again.
i'm sorry maybe i wasn't tactful in my previous message to you. but i don't understand how could someone who you don't know get under your skin so much. i mean how rude were they?
phsically dangerous it's not but the rest is said in the article.
you do have some certain truth to your words, if it's a little kid or unstable person or both that are getting bullied then consequences can be disasterous, because when person has weak state of mind anything bad can happen. they start thinking that the whole world is against them...and then their thoughts will progressed fueled by online bullying.
but i still think it shouldn't be taken seriously in majority of cases
Same here. It just sort of annoys me.