Well it's all pretty much there in the document but not in point form so I dunno how else to clarify it for you without having to pretty much type the relevant bits out and I can't be stuffed. The idea was that you'd read it and form your own opinions anyway.
So if you feel that no one cares what you have to say, why post in the first place?
cos i enjoy formulating my thoughts and debating the merits of my points.
So do you think there is more potential for argument or nastiness in one forum over another? Do you consider think where you have experienced this that it is more likely to happen in one forum over another?
I don't think there is that much nastiness going on anywhere.. but what do I know. I take everything with a grain of salt.
Well I figured you did! I'm well aware of your Nice Guy status!
But when it continued beyond what you could be bothered with you walked away from the conversation and avoid them entirely now? Or continue to discuss other things on other threads with them?
I wouldn't say "avoid" is the right word.. but if I think that they still have a problem with me, then I just will leave them alone. I'm only sensitive when I'm drunk:D
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
This is what I was thinking gue. I think with adults it is mainly trolling, trying to push buttons, inflame and irritate. I'm not sure that is bullying unless they target a particular poster.
i can think of 4 posters i can't resist responding to. they are so ridiculous i cannot help myself from calling them on their nonsense almost every time they spout it.
How does turning of your computer eradicate it? The behaviour would still continue and you would have to change yours in order to stop it happening to you. That doesn't really seem fair or reasonable if you've not done anything wrong.
i can think of 4 posters i can't resist responding to. they are so ridiculous i cannot help myself from calling them on their nonsense almost every time they spout it.
You may be touching on another topic. Obsessive-Compulsive Cyber Replying.
This is what I was thinking gue. I think with adults it is mainly trolling, trying to push buttons, inflame and irritate. I'm not sure that is bullying unless they target a particular poster.
And you don't think that happens barak? That they target a particular poster?
i like to think so too. but some would call it bullying.
you know when you go after someone because of things theyve said previously that are irrelevant to the topic at hand, and you do it relentlessly, some could construe that as bullying.
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cos i enjoy formulating my thoughts and debating the merits of my points.
So you're saying that this is not about anybody else's point of view and really there's no point engaging you because it's just you writing essays for yourself to hone your skills?
How does turning of your computer eradicate it? The behaviour would still continue and you would have to change yours in order to stop it happening to you. That doesn't really seem fair or reasonable if you've not done anything wrong.
neither is life. why should the internet be any different?
you know when you go after someone because of things theyve said previously that are irrelevant to the topic at hand, and you do it relentlessly, some could construe that as bullying.
occasionally. i tend to bring in previous statements when they reveal that the poster has a pattern of spewing nothing but bullshit.
I've only ever experienced it from one person on this forum that stands out in my mind. Everyone else is pretty alright in my books regardless of opinion.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I wouldn't say "avoid" is the right word.. but if I think that they still have a problem with me, then I just will leave them alone. I'm only sensitive when I'm drunk: D
Cool. That sounds like a plan.
Guess if I see you getting into it with someone on thread I'll know you're pissed!
So you're saying that this is not about anybody else's point of view and really there's no point engaging you because it's just you writing essays for yourself to hone your skills?
pretty much. unless im in the college football thread, in which case im hoping to convince people ohio state deserves a shot at the title. but other than that, it's mostly a mental exercise for me. though i am open to having my mind changed by people with substantive points that are sensible and well-reasoned. i "bully" when i see that someone is consistently making ridiculously unfounded statements that they can never provide support for. that's more about me having fun exposing fools for being fools.
How does turning of your computer eradicate it? The behaviour would still continue and you would have to change yours in order to stop it happening to you. That doesn't really seem fair or reasonable if you've not done anything wrong.
who's talking fair jeanie? this isnt the real fucking world. and even the real world isnt fair. if you find yourself the target of cyberbullying, all you can do is remove yourself from the situation. that is the only way not remain a part of it. sure you've done nothing wrong, but for your own peace of mind you can do something right for yourself. or alternately you can just ignore them.
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I've only ever experienced it from one person on this forum that stands out in my mind. Everyone else is pretty alright in my books regardless of opinion.
haha You pissed me off once back when I first started posting on here.. but now I think you're a funny guy
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
And you don't think that happens barak? That they target a particular poster?
I'm sure it happens. No one particularly sticks out to me right now (someone who purposely targets an individual), well, except perhaps soulsinging since he just admitted to doing it.
There are individuals that stick out as being trolls to a pathological extent. They are easily recognized by most here.
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i can think of 4 posters i can't resist responding to. they are so ridiculous i cannot help myself from calling them on their nonsense almost every time they spout it.
naughty, naughty
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
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Guess if I see you getting into it with someone on thread I'll know you're pissed!
nah... I would never get mad over this forum! It's hard to show when you are joking on here though. I'm used to face to face conversations, so I'm still getting used to it here.
..and you know from my pm that I'm definitely not an Aussie:p
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
haha You pissed me off once back when I first started posting on here.. but now I think you're a funny guy
Apologies. I have a very unusual sense of humor, and I'm pretty hard headed. It makes for an unpredictable combination some times. I've crossed the line on more than a few occasions, and took the punishment... most of those times were nowhere close to sober however...hehe
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
there is 'trolling' that goes on here by one person in particular on a regular basis. i wouldn't call that bullying though. bullying to me is when someone targets an individual on a continual and ruthless basis. that person gets off on seeing you react. it really doesn't even matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to this troll, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. after that, it's a question of wearing you down. the more your try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. this person does not seem to target any one individual from what i have seen, they just come into threads, cause havok, sprout absolute crap then leaves and rarely comes back to answer any real questions that anyone may have about some of the things that they have said.
once you learn that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded, it is easier just to ignore. sometimes that's easier said than done though.
it's also fairly easy to work out who the good people are and who the trouble makers are after lurking for a while.
as for soulsinging, i don't find his posts offensive at all. i like how he backs up what he says and is always consistent in what he believes in.
nah... I would never get mad over this forum! It's hard to show when you are joking on here though. I'm used to face to face conversations, so I'm still getting used to it here.
a big big smilie face works.
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neither is life. why should the internet be any different?
Well for starters there are laws to protect people from that kind of crap in life.
AND quite apart from that I'm sure that most of the abhorent behaviour that individuals utilize on the web probably wouldn't happen in day to day life anyway.
pretty much. unless im in the college football thread, in which case im hoping to convince people ohio state deserves a shot at the title. but other than that, it's mostly a mental exercise for me. though i am open to having my mind changed by people with substantive points that are sensible and well-reasoned. i "bully" when i see that someone is consistently making ridiculously unfounded statements that they can never provide support for. that's more about me having fun exposing fools for being fools.
Well I guess that's fair enough except that it's all subjective isn't it?
So what you find ridiculous isn't going to be what other people find ridiculous and "having fun by exposing fools for being fools" seems to say a lot more about you than it does whomever you feel the need to be judge, jury and executioner for. But it's working for ya, so no need to regulate yourself.
who's talking fair jeanie? this isnt the real fucking world. and even the real world isnt fair. if you find yourself the target of cyberbullying, all you can do is remove yourself from the situation. that is the only way not remain a part of it. sure you've done nothing wrong, but for your own peace of mind you can do something right for yourself. or alternately you can just ignore them.
You're saying that ignoring it is the way to go or change your behaviour?
Ok. Can't see that being much of plan. I mean would it be ok to do that if we were talking about violence against women instead of cyber bullying?
I'm sure it happens. No one particularly sticks out to me right now (someone who purposely targets an individual), well, except perhaps soulsinging since he just admitted to doing it.
There are individuals that stick out as being trolls to a pathological extent. They are easily recognized by most here.
Ok, but what gets you the title of troll?
I mean how does one become a troll and who decides that they are? And how are they different from some of the regular posters?
I dunno barak, sometimes I wonder if the whole thing is one huge misunderstanding or just a complete headfuck. People parading as legit posters and gaining kudos with everyone so that whatever they do is ok by the majority and alternatively those that don't exhibit the popular view are vilified and "expelled" I guess. I'm just musing I guess. But it seems to me that we can all behave badly around here on occassion.
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cos i enjoy formulating my thoughts and debating the merits of my points.
I don't think there is that much nastiness going on anywhere.. but what do I know. I take everything with a grain of salt.
I wouldn't say "avoid" is the right word.. but if I think that they still have a problem with me, then I just will leave them alone. I'm only sensitive when I'm drunk:D
Yeah, I like soulsinging posts because they have character to them. What fun would this forum be if everyone was kissing eachother's asses?
i can think of 4 posters i can't resist responding to. they are so ridiculous i cannot help myself from calling them on their nonsense almost every time they spout it.
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i like to think so too. but some would call it bullying.
How does turning of your computer eradicate it? The behaviour would still continue and you would have to change yours in order to stop it happening to you. That doesn't really seem fair or reasonable if you've not done anything wrong.
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You may be touching on another topic. Obsessive-Compulsive Cyber Replying.
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And you don't think that happens barak? That they target a particular poster?
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you know when you go after someone because of things theyve said previously that are irrelevant to the topic at hand, and you do it relentlessly, some could construe that as bullying.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So you're saying that this is not about anybody else's point of view and really there's no point engaging you because it's just you writing essays for yourself to hone your skills?
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neither is life. why should the internet be any different?
hehe, does that mean i need counseling?
occasionally. i tend to bring in previous statements when they reveal that the poster has a pattern of spewing nothing but bullshit.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You sure you're not really an Aussie in disguise?
Cool. That sounds like a plan.
Guess if I see you getting into it with someone on thread I'll know you're pissed!
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pretty much. unless im in the college football thread, in which case im hoping to convince people ohio state deserves a shot at the title. but other than that, it's mostly a mental exercise for me. though i am open to having my mind changed by people with substantive points that are sensible and well-reasoned. i "bully" when i see that someone is consistently making ridiculously unfounded statements that they can never provide support for. that's more about me having fun exposing fools for being fools.
who's talking fair jeanie? this isnt the real fucking world. and even the real world isnt fair. if you find yourself the target of cyberbullying, all you can do is remove yourself from the situation. that is the only way not remain a part of it. sure you've done nothing wrong, but for your own peace of mind you can do something right for yourself. or alternately you can just ignore them.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
haha You pissed me off once back when I first started posting on here.. but now I think you're a funny guy
I'm sure it happens. No one particularly sticks out to me right now (someone who purposely targets an individual), well, except perhaps soulsinging since he just admitted to doing it.
There are individuals that stick out as being trolls to a pathological extent. They are easily recognized by most here.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
naughty, naughty
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
nah... I would never get mad over this forum! It's hard to show when you are joking on here though. I'm used to face to face conversations, so I'm still getting used to it here.
..and you know from my pm that I'm definitely not an Aussie:p
Apologies. I have a very unusual sense of humor, and I'm pretty hard headed. It makes for an unpredictable combination some times. I've crossed the line on more than a few occasions, and took the punishment... most of those times were nowhere close to sober however...hehe
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
there is 'trolling' that goes on here by one person in particular on a regular basis. i wouldn't call that bullying though. bullying to me is when someone targets an individual on a continual and ruthless basis. that person gets off on seeing you react. it really doesn't even matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to this troll, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. after that, it's a question of wearing you down. the more your try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. this person does not seem to target any one individual from what i have seen, they just come into threads, cause havok, sprout absolute crap then leaves and rarely comes back to answer any real questions that anyone may have about some of the things that they have said.
once you learn that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded, it is easier just to ignore. sometimes that's easier said than done though.
it's also fairly easy to work out who the good people are and who the trouble makers are after lurking for a while.
as for soulsinging, i don't find his posts offensive at all. i like how he backs up what he says and is always consistent in what he believes in.
a big big smilie face works.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well for starters there are laws to protect people from that kind of crap in life.
AND quite apart from that I'm sure that most of the abhorent behaviour that individuals utilize on the web probably wouldn't happen in day to day life anyway.
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Do you think it happens more on one forum than the others? Yes, MT>all other forums
Have you been subject to it? Yes, OLS is bully #1 around here, sniff.
Have you found yourself doing it? Yes
What do you think we can do to eradicate it? Get rid of Jeanie. Should I start a petition?
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Well I guess that's fair enough except that it's all subjective isn't it?
So what you find ridiculous isn't going to be what other people find ridiculous and "having fun by exposing fools for being fools" seems to say a lot more about you than it does whomever you feel the need to be judge, jury and executioner for. But it's working for ya, so no need to regulate yourself.
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You're saying that ignoring it is the way to go or change your behaviour?
Ok. Can't see that being much of plan. I mean would it be ok to do that if we were talking about violence against women instead of cyber bullying?
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Ok, but what gets you the title of troll?
I mean how does one become a troll and who decides that they are? And how are they different from some of the regular posters?
I dunno barak, sometimes I wonder if the whole thing is one huge misunderstanding or just a complete headfuck. People parading as legit posters and gaining kudos with everyone so that whatever they do is ok by the majority and alternatively those that don't exhibit the popular view are vilified and "expelled" I guess. I'm just musing I guess. But it seems to me that we can all behave badly around here on occassion.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift