Just checked to see if the Ministry had been named, here it is.
Interesting to see a Minister for "Superannuation and Corporate Law.
I was also intruiged to see Maxine McKew go from ABC journo to ALP member as well. So much for impartiality there. The old buzz about ABC bias to the ALP might just have something in it after all.
MAybe Rudd will do some good here before he stuffs the economy. I hope so.
THE RUDD CABINET
Julia Gillard Minister for Education and Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations.
Wayne Swan Treasurer
Lindsay Tanner Finance Minister, responsible for business deregulation.
Penny Wong, Minister for Climate Change and Water.
Peter Garrett Minister for Environment, Heritage and Arts.
Kim Carr, Minister for Innovation, Industry Science and Research Minister.
Martin Ferguson, Minister for Resources, Energy and Tourism.
Tony Burke, Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.
Simon Crean, Minister for Trade.
Nick Sherry, Minister for Superannuation and Corporate Law.
Craig Emerson, Minister for Small Business.
Nicola Roxon, Minister for Health Ageing.
Jenny Macklin, Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs.
Tanya Plibersek, Minister for Housing and Status of Women.
Joe Ludwig, Minister for Human Services.
Stephen Smith, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Joel Fitzgibbon, Minister for Defence.
Robert McClelland, Attorney-General.
Bob Debus, Minister for Home Affairs.
Chris Evans, Minister for Immigration and Citizenship.
Alan Griffin, Minister for Veterans Affairs.
Warren Snowdown, Minister for Defence, Science and Personnel.
Justine Elliot, Minister for Ageing.
Kate Ellis, Minister for Youth and Sport.
Maxine McKew will be parliamentary secretary to Mr Rudd and parliamentary secretary to childhood education and childcare.
Greg Combet will be parliamentary secretary to defence.
Bob McMullan will be parliamentary secretary to international development and assistance.
John Faulkner, will be Special Minister of State.
Bill Shorten, parliamentary secretary for Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs.
Stephen Conroy, Minister for Broadband, Communications and Digital Economy.
Anthony Albanese, Minister for Transport, Regional Development and Local Government.
Just bye the bye, did anyone ever wonder just how a culture without clothing or footwear managed to survive in Tasmania in winter ??
Were they sans clothing and footwear in Tassie though lucy? I'd have thought they'd need to wear animal skins and probably fashion some kind of footwear from skins purely from necessity?
Were they sans clothing and footwear in Tassie though lucy? I'd have thought they'd need to wear animal skins and probably fashion some kind of footwear from skins purely from necessity?
nothing says warmth quite like a lovely wombat coat.
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Just checked to see if the Ministry had been named, here it is.
Interesting to see a Minister for "Superannuation and Corporate Law.
I was also intruiged to see Maxine McKew go from ABC journo to ALP member as well. So much for impartiality there. The old buzz about ABC bias to the ALP might just have something in it after all.
MAybe Rudd will do some good here before he stuffs the economy. I hope so.
THE RUDD CABINET
Julia Gillard Minister for Education and Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations.
Wayne Swan Treasurer
Lindsay Tanner Finance Minister, responsible for business deregulation.
Penny Wong, Minister for Climate Change and Water.
Peter Garrett Minister for Environment, Heritage and Arts.
Kim Carr, Minister for Innovation, Industry Science and Research Minister.
Martin Ferguson, Minister for Resources, Energy and Tourism.
Tony Burke, Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.
Simon Crean, Minister for Trade.
Nick Sherry, Minister for Superannuation and Corporate Law.
Craig Emerson, Minister for Small Business.
Nicola Roxon, Minister for Health Ageing.
Jenny Macklin, Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs.
Tanya Plibersek, Minister for Housing and Status of Women.
Joe Ludwig, Minister for Human Services.
Stephen Smith, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Joel Fitzgibbon, Minister for Defence.
Robert McClelland, Attorney-General.
Bob Debus, Minister for Home Affairs.
Chris Evans, Minister for Immigration and Citizenship.
Alan Griffin, Minister for Veterans Affairs.
Warren Snowdown, Minister for Defence, Science and Personnel.
Justine Elliot, Minister for Ageing.
Kate Ellis, Minister for Youth and Sport.
Maxine McKew will be parliamentary secretary to Mr Rudd and parliamentary secretary to childhood education and childcare.
Greg Combet will be parliamentary secretary to defence.
Bob McMullan will be parliamentary secretary to international development and assistance.
John Faulkner, will be Special Minister of State.
Bill Shorten, parliamentary secretary for Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs.
Stephen Conroy, Minister for Broadband, Communications and Digital Economy.
Anthony Albanese, Minister for Transport, Regional Development and Local Government.
Combet secretary to defence???? haha! Wonder if Bastard Boys had anything to do with that?
Interesting that Petey is gonna be handling Environment, Heritage and Arts and that Penny Wong is on Climate Change and water.
And WOW! Simon Crean on Trade????? That should be interesting.
Were they sans clothing and footwear in Tassie though lucy? I'd have thought they'd need to wear animal skins and probably fashion some kind of footwear from skins purely from necessity?
You can feel free to prove me wrong, but AFAIK, they never developed any tanning technology at all.
I would have thought it pretty necessary myself, which is why I have a high degree of cynicism about us puir white folk being responsible for their demise down there. MAybe a summer camping expedition at the most would have been teh extent of occupation there.
Oh, and while we are on teh subject, anyone else ever heard of teh pygmy Negrito who lived in Oz before the original big-job invasion 40 000yr ago ??
You can feel free to prove me wrong, but AFAIK, they never developed any tanning technology at all.
I would have thought it pretty necessary myself, which is why I have a high degree of cynicism about us puir white folk being responsible for their demise down there. MAybe a summer camping expedition at the most would have been teh extent of occupation there.
Oh, and while we are on teh subject, anyone else ever heard of teh pygmy Negrito who lived in Oz before the original big-job invasion 40 000yr ago ??
so if tasmania was just a summer camping expedition destination, is there evidence to support sea going vessels for the trip across bass strait?
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so if tasmania was just a summer camping expedition destination, is there evidence to support sea going vessels for the trip across bass strait?
I dunno, I'd have to check, but I've a feeling they may have done that.
It really opens a whole line of questioning about the realities of these ideas , does it not ??
Interesting Ministry though, lots of change in the traditional way things were cut up and categorized. That's a good thing I think, any that breaks public servants out of their groove is OK by me.
You can feel free to prove me wrong, but AFAIK, they never developed any tanning technology at all.
I would have thought it pretty necessary myself, which is why I have a high degree of cynicism about us puir white folk being responsible for their demise down there. MAybe a summer camping expedition at the most would have been teh extent of occupation there.
Oh, and while we are on teh subject, anyone else ever heard of teh pygmy Negrito who lived in Oz before the original big-job invasion 40 000yr ago ??
One was the production of bone tools. With bone, one can fashion objects virtually impossible to make out of stone or wood--such as needles. In southeast Australia at the time of European discovery, aboriginal Australians were using bone tools as awls and reamers to pierce animal hides, as pins to fasten the hides into cloaks, and as needles to sew hides into still warmer clothing or to knit fishing nets.
Not ^ gospel I'm sure luce, but I do have a vague memory of seeing models in a museum somewhere as a kid where they wore animal furs as cloaks.
And I thought the reason for their demise in Tassie was because they were hunted and killed in lines by the settlers? My understanding was before that there was a very large aboriginal population in Tassie. Much larger than Victoria if memory serves. I'm sure they were there for the seafood!
I'm not certain of any of this of course coz my aboriginal history is sketchy at best.
I dunno, I'd have to check, but I've a feeling they may have done that.
It really opens a whole line of questioning about the realities of these ideas , does it not ??
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indeed it does luce. but im afraid a feeling will have to be corroborated with evidence of some sort. ive a (bad)feeling about this only works in the starwars universe.
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MAybe a summer camping expedition at the most would have been teh extent of occupation there.
Somehow I highly doubt that was the case. Since modern multimillion dollar yaughts dripping with all kinds of navigational and weather predicting technology still get sunk in bass strait it seems a bit unlikely to me that people in bark canoes made the trip every year.
My understanding is that they walked/island hopped to tassie while sea levels were low enough to make it possible. And I think (without doing any reading to check) that the aboriginals of tasmania were ethnically distinct from the people on the mainland, which implies a long separation of the two populations. I could be wrong about that though.
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Not implying anything at all I was at high school in the late 90's. I can't remember if we had those days in primary school too. I think we did. I think I remember being piled onto a bus to be taken down to the showground where they were doing the naidoc thing for all the primary schools in town.
The difference is interesting. We had probably about 10% black kids at my school. Maybe a bit less. The two schools on the other side of the river where most of the aboriginal population of Dubbo lives had a lot more. The school I went to was mostly the country kids like me. The way I remember it, all the kids got along fine together in primary school and early high school. It didn't matter what colour you were. But they usually drifted apart around the year 8/9 period. I think there was only one black girl left in my year by the end. I don't know if she ever got her HSC or not.
Its sad, because I think its the cultural influence of the parents and family on both sides that tends to make the separation happen. I'd like to think that if that influence was removed black kids and white kids would continue to not care about the differences all the way to the end of school and into adulthood.
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Not implying anything at all I was at high school in the late 90's. I can't remember if we had those days in primary school too. I think we did. I think I remember being piled onto a bus to be taken down to the showground where they were doing the naidoc thing for all the primary schools in town.
The difference is interesting. We had probably about 10% black kids at my school. Maybe a bit less. The two schools on the other side of the river where most of the aboriginal population of Dubbo lives had a lot more. The school I went to was mostly the country kids like me. The way I remember it, all the kids got along fine together in primary school and early high school. It didn't matter what colour you were. But they usually drifted apart around the year 8/9 period. I think there was only one black girl left in my year by the end. I don't know if she ever got her HSC or not.
Its sad, because I think its the cultural influence of the parents and family on both sides that tends to make the separation happen. I'd like to think that if that influence was removed black kids and white kids would continue to not care about the differences all the way to the end of school and into adulthood.
It's cool I was only teasing anyway! I'm well aware that I'm probably nearly old enough to be your mother!
See now that's really cool! Your experience. I mean I agree that it is sad about what happens once you start to drift apart and the impact that negative reinforcement has from the older generations but how cool that you actually got to do that? Spend that time. Make those friendships.
I mean I can sit back and admire aboriginal activists, and I can admire and enjoy and be inspired by aboriginal art and artists, dancers, actors, athletes, and I love all the bush tucker stuff at the supermarket but the truth be told I am seperate because I don't know anyone that is aboriginal and I've never really been able to share with them other than in a tourist type situation. Or through books and movies and television. So that's a whole part of this country, a really important part of it, that I'm seperate from. Like I'm kinda on the outside looking in but not participating if that makes sense? I think that makes for my experience of my home less somehow and I'd like to think that I'd have something to offer myself. And I have to wonder just how many people of my generation or before it have had a similar experience. Or even how many of us in general? I think that not being familiar and being able to spend that time, it helps to perpetuate some of the problems we as a country face. Not that I'm wanting to race out and make a bunch of aboriginal friends simply because they are aboriginal, but I find it ironic that I have friends of greek, italian, polish, vietnamese, irish, dutch and a whole bunch of decents. If that makes sense?
Actually maybe you're lucky. You've been sheltered from the reality so you haven't had the experiences that lead to racism.
Seriously, having spent pretty much all my life in country towns with a significant aboriginal population I can't say that many of my experiences with aboriginal people have been positive. After being theatened or sworn at or spat on a few times its hard not instinctively react negatively whenever you see an aboriginal person.
I don't know. Its a really hard problem. I think what we really need is to find a way to overcome the rift and just get black and non-indigenous people talking to each other, instead of being afraid of each other. Until that happens we're not going to get anywhere.
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Actually maybe you're lucky. You've been sheltered from the reality so you haven't had the experiences that lead to racism.
Seriously, having spent pretty much all my life in country towns with a significant aboriginal population I can't say that many of my experiences with aboriginal people have been positive. After being theatened or sworn at or spat on a few times its hard not instinctively react negatively whenever you see an aboriginal person.
I don't know. Its a really hard problem. I think what we really need is to find a way to overcome the rift and just get black and non-indigenous people talking to each other, instead of being afraid of each other. Until that happens we're not going to get anywhere.
Oh no Scott. Don't think I have been insular from the racism. Or the bad behaviour from people black, white or purple even. Trust me. I grew up in a working class suburb that had multiculturalism jammed down its throat. I love how politicians want us all to get along but they set it up so that it's the poor people that have nothing that have got to move over and make room for more poor people that have nothing and they wonder why there's a problem? They pretty much "dump" a new group on an already ferocious group struggling to survive that's been pushed down and of course it's all fighting and spitting and kicking and gang warfare. And yes that kind of environment breeds all kind of racism and contempt for others. It just happened that aboriginals weren't part of that mix in my area. BUT they were certainly maligned and resented in terms of what the government was doing for them. And I understand what you are saying because when I've been in WA with my friends I've been amazed at the derision between the groups. Or up in Mildura. Or even passing through Dubbo. I'm not blind to that. Or that it's a huge problem. I guess I'm like you in that I want some unity and we're not going to get it unless this kind of shitful behaviour stops. So I guess that's why I think this sorry thing might go a long way to helping. Because if we do give a heartfelt and sincere apology, there can be no more excuses on either side right? At the very least, rolling up our sleeves and finally addressing it would go a long way don't you think?
I don't want to live in a country where if you are Aboriginal you're afforded some special privilege either. I can't change what went on before, only what happens from here. In order for that to happen the way I see it we've all got to be willing and communicate and move forward with good intentions and hard work. And we're all going to have to make some concessions.
Least I think so anyway.
who supported Nelson in the party? I assumed Turnball was a shoe-in for the top liberal job. In my opinion Liberals are weaker than Labor was when Rudd became the leader of labor. Without Howard they are nothing. Well done to Rudd by the way. My vote did count.
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who supported Nelson in the party? I assumed Turnball was a shoe-in for the top liberal job. In my opinion Liberals are weaker than Labor was when Rudd became the leader of labor. Without Howard they are nothing. Well done to Rudd by the way. My vote did count.
I was very surprised that they chose Nelson over Turnbull.
Can't see how it's going to work to be honest. Strange times ahead.
who supported Nelson in the party? I assumed Turnball was a shoe-in for the top liberal job. In my opinion Liberals are weaker than Labor was when Rudd became the leader of labor. Without Howard they are nothing. Well done to Rudd by the way. My vote did count.
I see Nelson as being a sacrifice here. The next leader after a rout like this usually doesn't get far. There is too much acrimony and pissing, and my guess is he will go well before the next election. You don't want to put someone that you really want to keep in at ther moment. You put someone up to take a fall, so the guy you really want can come in once some stability returns.
Mind you, I don't think anyone is thinking that far ahead. Seriously, from a party that could not see that Howard's time had passed, don't expect smart or rational behaviour.
i was talking to my da tonight and ironically he voted liberal for the first time and the liberal candidate in his electorate lost his seat. i resisted the urge to laugh.
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i was talking to my da tonight and ironically he voted liberal for the first time and the liberal candidate in his electorate lost his seat. i resisted the urge to laugh.
It would of been really hard not to laugh at that.
Now all you have to do is convince him to continue voting for them
I was very surprised that they chose Nelson over Turnbull.
Can't see how it's going to work to be honest. Strange times ahead.
Nelson come out this morning supporting an apology to the Koorie's, ratifing Kyoto and him and Joe Hockey have agrred to a roll back in Workchoices.........................I'm scared..........
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no actually i haven't. i just figured they adapted the way humans do all over the earth throughout time.
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Interesting to see a Minister for "Superannuation and Corporate Law.
I was also intruiged to see Maxine McKew go from ABC journo to ALP member as well. So much for impartiality there. The old buzz about ABC bias to the ALP might just have something in it after all.
MAybe Rudd will do some good here before he stuffs the economy. I hope so.
THE RUDD CABINET
Julia Gillard Minister for Education and Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations.
Wayne Swan Treasurer
Lindsay Tanner Finance Minister, responsible for business deregulation.
Penny Wong, Minister for Climate Change and Water.
Peter Garrett Minister for Environment, Heritage and Arts.
Kim Carr, Minister for Innovation, Industry Science and Research Minister.
Martin Ferguson, Minister for Resources, Energy and Tourism.
Tony Burke, Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.
Simon Crean, Minister for Trade.
Nick Sherry, Minister for Superannuation and Corporate Law.
Craig Emerson, Minister for Small Business.
Nicola Roxon, Minister for Health Ageing.
Jenny Macklin, Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs.
Tanya Plibersek, Minister for Housing and Status of Women.
Joe Ludwig, Minister for Human Services.
Stephen Smith, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Joel Fitzgibbon, Minister for Defence.
Robert McClelland, Attorney-General.
Bob Debus, Minister for Home Affairs.
Chris Evans, Minister for Immigration and Citizenship.
Alan Griffin, Minister for Veterans Affairs.
Warren Snowdown, Minister for Defence, Science and Personnel.
Justine Elliot, Minister for Ageing.
Kate Ellis, Minister for Youth and Sport.
Maxine McKew will be parliamentary secretary to Mr Rudd and parliamentary secretary to childhood education and childcare.
Greg Combet will be parliamentary secretary to defence.
Bob McMullan will be parliamentary secretary to international development and assistance.
John Faulkner, will be Special Minister of State.
Bill Shorten, parliamentary secretary for Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs.
Stephen Conroy, Minister for Broadband, Communications and Digital Economy.
Anthony Albanese, Minister for Transport, Regional Development and Local Government.
Were they sans clothing and footwear in Tassie though lucy? I'd have thought they'd need to wear animal skins and probably fashion some kind of footwear from skins purely from necessity?
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shouldn't water be included in that portfolio?
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nothing says warmth quite like a lovely wombat coat.
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Interesting that Petey is gonna be handling Environment, Heritage and Arts and that Penny Wong is on Climate Change and water.
And WOW! Simon Crean on Trade????? That should be interesting.
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I prefer the roo skin meself.
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and for those special occasions how about this fabulous tassie tiger ensemble?
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You can feel free to prove me wrong, but AFAIK, they never developed any tanning technology at all.
I would have thought it pretty necessary myself, which is why I have a high degree of cynicism about us puir white folk being responsible for their demise down there. MAybe a summer camping expedition at the most would have been teh extent of occupation there.
Oh, and while we are on teh subject, anyone else ever heard of teh pygmy Negrito who lived in Oz before the original big-job invasion 40 000yr ago ??
so if tasmania was just a summer camping expedition destination, is there evidence to support sea going vessels for the trip across bass strait?
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Ooh!! Simply gorgeous daaaaaarlink!!
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I dunno, I'd have to check, but I've a feeling they may have done that.
It really opens a whole line of questioning about the realities of these ideas , does it not ??
Interesting Ministry though, lots of change in the traditional way things were cut up and categorized. That's a good thing I think, any that breaks public servants out of their groove is OK by me.
One was the production of bone tools. With bone, one can fashion objects virtually impossible to make out of stone or wood--such as needles. In southeast Australia at the time of European discovery, aboriginal Australians were using bone tools as awls and reamers to pierce animal hides, as pins to fasten the hides into cloaks, and as needles to sew hides into still warmer clothing or to knit fishing nets.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n3_v14/ai_13473115/pg_5
Not ^ gospel I'm sure luce, but I do have a vague memory of seeing models in a museum somewhere as a kid where they wore animal furs as cloaks.
And I thought the reason for their demise in Tassie was because they were hunted and killed in lines by the settlers? My understanding was before that there was a very large aboriginal population in Tassie. Much larger than Victoria if memory serves. I'm sure they were there for the seafood!
I'm not certain of any of this of course coz my aboriginal history is sketchy at best.
So do tell about Negrito please!
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indeed it does luce. but im afraid a feeling will have to be corroborated with evidence of some sort. ive a (bad)feeling about this only works in the starwars universe.
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Somehow I highly doubt that was the case. Since modern multimillion dollar yaughts dripping with all kinds of navigational and weather predicting technology still get sunk in bass strait it seems a bit unlikely to me that people in bark canoes made the trip every year.
My understanding is that they walked/island hopped to tassie while sea levels were low enough to make it possible. And I think (without doing any reading to check) that the aboriginals of tasmania were ethnically distinct from the people on the mainland, which implies a long separation of the two populations. I could be wrong about that though.
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Not implying anything at all
The difference is interesting. We had probably about 10% black kids at my school. Maybe a bit less. The two schools on the other side of the river where most of the aboriginal population of Dubbo lives had a lot more. The school I went to was mostly the country kids like me. The way I remember it, all the kids got along fine together in primary school and early high school. It didn't matter what colour you were. But they usually drifted apart around the year 8/9 period. I think there was only one black girl left in my year by the end. I don't know if she ever got her HSC or not.
Its sad, because I think its the cultural influence of the parents and family on both sides that tends to make the separation happen. I'd like to think that if that influence was removed black kids and white kids would continue to not care about the differences all the way to the end of school and into adulthood.
-C Addison
It's cool I was only teasing anyway!
See now that's really cool! Your experience. I mean I agree that it is sad about what happens once you start to drift apart and the impact that negative reinforcement has from the older generations but how cool that you actually got to do that? Spend that time. Make those friendships.
I mean I can sit back and admire aboriginal activists, and I can admire and enjoy and be inspired by aboriginal art and artists, dancers, actors, athletes, and I love all the bush tucker stuff at the supermarket but the truth be told I am seperate because I don't know anyone that is aboriginal and I've never really been able to share with them other than in a tourist type situation. Or through books and movies and television. So that's a whole part of this country, a really important part of it, that I'm seperate from. Like I'm kinda on the outside looking in but not participating if that makes sense? I think that makes for my experience of my home less somehow and I'd like to think that I'd have something to offer myself. And I have to wonder just how many people of my generation or before it have had a similar experience. Or even how many of us in general? I think that not being familiar and being able to spend that time, it helps to perpetuate some of the problems we as a country face. Not that I'm wanting to race out and make a bunch of aboriginal friends simply because they are aboriginal, but I find it ironic that I have friends of greek, italian, polish, vietnamese, irish, dutch and a whole bunch of decents. If that makes sense?
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Seriously, having spent pretty much all my life in country towns with a significant aboriginal population I can't say that many of my experiences with aboriginal people have been positive. After being theatened or sworn at or spat on a few times its hard not instinctively react negatively whenever you see an aboriginal person.
I don't know. Its a really hard problem. I think what we really need is to find a way to overcome the rift and just get black and non-indigenous people talking to each other, instead of being afraid of each other. Until that happens we're not going to get anywhere.
-C Addison
Oh no Scott. Don't think I have been insular from the racism. Or the bad behaviour from people black, white or purple even. Trust me. I grew up in a working class suburb that had multiculturalism jammed down its throat. I love how politicians want us all to get along but they set it up so that it's the poor people that have nothing that have got to move over and make room for more poor people that have nothing and they wonder why there's a problem? They pretty much "dump" a new group on an already ferocious group struggling to survive that's been pushed down and of course it's all fighting and spitting and kicking and gang warfare. And yes that kind of environment breeds all kind of racism and contempt for others. It just happened that aboriginals weren't part of that mix in my area. BUT they were certainly maligned and resented in terms of what the government was doing for them. And I understand what you are saying because when I've been in WA with my friends I've been amazed at the derision between the groups. Or up in Mildura. Or even passing through Dubbo. I'm not blind to that. Or that it's a huge problem. I guess I'm like you in that I want some unity and we're not going to get it unless this kind of shitful behaviour stops. So I guess that's why I think this sorry thing might go a long way to helping. Because if we do give a heartfelt and sincere apology, there can be no more excuses on either side right? At the very least, rolling up our sleeves and finally addressing it would go a long way don't you think?
I don't want to live in a country where if you are Aboriginal you're afforded some special privilege either. I can't change what went on before, only what happens from here. In order for that to happen the way I see it we've all got to be willing and communicate and move forward with good intentions and hard work. And we're all going to have to make some concessions.
Least I think so anyway.
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I was very surprised that they chose Nelson over Turnbull.
Can't see how it's going to work to be honest. Strange times ahead.
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I see Nelson as being a sacrifice here. The next leader after a rout like this usually doesn't get far. There is too much acrimony and pissing, and my guess is he will go well before the next election. You don't want to put someone that you really want to keep in at ther moment. You put someone up to take a fall, so the guy you really want can come in once some stability returns.
Mind you, I don't think anyone is thinking that far ahead. Seriously, from a party that could not see that Howard's time had passed, don't expect smart or rational behaviour.
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lie beside me
i just need to say
It would of been really hard not to laugh at that.
Now all you have to do is convince him to continue voting for them
sorry but that ain't gonna happen. where do you think i got my opinionated stubborness from?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
But if it meant them losing surely you should at least give it a try
well theyve already lost, so my work is done.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Nelson come out this morning supporting an apology to the Koorie's, ratifing Kyoto and him and Joe Hockey have agrred to a roll back in Workchoices.........................I'm scared..........