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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    Yeah, right on. I'm gonna say something that'll make 3/4's of the people here agree with me.

    FUCK BUSH!

    and I mean that.


    Here here! :D
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    hippiemom wrote:
    And I'm saying that I never put an acorn on the same level as a fetus. I'm talking about your logic here, not about trees vs. people.


    Don't start throwing logic around in here now, you know that doesn't fly. ;)
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    decides2dream wrote:
    IN YOUR OPINION...it is not for us to decide. to me, it very much IS our right. in the animal kingdom, mothers of all species will kill their young if they know they don't have enough food to support them....male animals of many species are known to kill off newborns from other male mating so that they may mate with the female and pass on their genetic material....etc, etc.....killing off living things on purpose exists in nature in oh so many ways. so yea, i think it is a-ok and within the rights of a woman to knock a cluster of cells out. and hey, i am totally cool with you not being for it. i'd be sure to never have sex with ya. :p but don't try to tell me, or any woman...that it is not for *us* to decide. it simply is not for YOU to decide that. altho sure, i am far more in favor of prevention entirely...but if it happens...i think it well within the rights of a woman to make that call. thankfully, thus far that right has not been taken away.

    Right on M!!!! ;)


    Edit: and with 5 posts in a row, I have reached my quota.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    How can you call it 'killing'? That's like comparing cracking open an egg to make breakfast with chopping off the head of a live chicken. Not even close to the same thing. You're not killing a living, independent being, you are merely ending the possibility of a being existing. You can spin it any way you want it, but it's a huge leap of logic you are taking.


    chickens and people are different. I dont find it a "logical" comparison
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    chickens and people are different. I dont find it a "logical" comparison


    How exactly are people and chickens THAT much different, other than you belong to the 'people' species? We are both animals. We are both creatures in this world. We both have life and purpose in this world. Do you think we are 'better' or more 'special' than chickens. Or, in fact, do you believe we are not even a member of the animal kingdom?

    We are all animals in this world. We value our own kind and think we are 'above' them, because that is ingrained in us. But, thankfully, we possess the logic to realize that we in fact are not. We are equals. I can understand how someone, including myself, can value a human over say a chicken or a fox. But in reality, when you step back and really think about it, it doesn't make a difference. Why shouldn't we value all animal life the same, us included? Think about it.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    chickens and people are different. I dont find it a "logical" comparison
    No one is comparing chickens or trees to people! It's the logic we're debating, not the objects. Egg is to chicken as embryo is to person. Acorn is to tree as embryo is to person. See?

    No one is saying that there's a moral equivalent between chopping down a tree, or killing a chicken, and killing a person.

    You are saying that destroying an embryo is the same as killing a person, because the embryo left to develop will become a person.

    If I say to you that sweeping up acorns is the same thing as chopping down oak trees, or that cracking eggs is the same thing as slaughtering chickens, you'll probably say I'm nuts, but it's YOUR logic that I'm using to say that.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    hippiemom wrote:
    No one is comparing chickens or trees to people!

    Oops. :o Guess I screwed up. :D


    That said, I completely agree with everything you said. Guess I got sidetracked in a man vs. animal debate. :)
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Oops. :o Guess I screwed up. :D


    That said, I completely agree with everything you said. Guess I got sidetracked in a man vs. animal debate. :)
    Haha! I agree with you too, but I didn't want to go off in too many different directions at once :)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    How exactly are people and chickens THAT much different, .

    seriously? do I have to explain this...
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Do you think we are 'better' or more 'special' than chickens. .

    yes
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Or, in fact, do you believe we are not even a member of the animal kingdom?.

    no i dont.
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    picks up needle, gingerly drops it on vinyl....then out of the speakers....

    You spin me right round baby right round
    Like a record baby, right round round round

    :)

    you people are so fun!
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    seriously? do I have to explain this...



    yes



    no i dont.
    You don't believe that humans are part of the animal kingdom? Upon what do you base that belief? It certainly isn't science, and earlier you agreed with another poster that religion played no part in your opinions on this topic ... so if it isn't science, and it isn't religion, what is it?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    decides2dream wrote:
    picks up needle, gingerly drops it on vinyl....then out of the speakers....

    You spin me right round baby right round
    Like a record baby, right round round round

    :)

    you people are so fun!


    Don't act like you're not giving a little push to this merry-go-round every now and then! ;)
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Don't act like you're not giving a little push to this merry-go-round every now and then! ;)

    oh you know it.

    however, i am learning. albeit slowly, but i'm learning. so yea, i give it a push...but then i know to step back now and again. and yea, i have to laugh. it's that or bang my head incessantly on the keyboard. but i have found that leaves a nasty bruise, and my husband is getting tired of buying new keyboards. :)
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    seriously? do I have to explain this...



    yes



    no i dont.


    Yes, I would like an explanation, because I do not agree with you and don't know where you get your view that people are somehow better than the rest of the animal kingdom. I understand that it is ingrained in us as a possible survival mechanism to believe we are better or whatever. But just because we have certain traits that other animals have does not convince me we are superior. We can subjugate them with our tools, but that does not infer superiority across the spectrum in my eyes. Violence and imprisonment and consumption does not make one better. I judge a species by the way they are able to coexist with other species' and with the environment in which they live.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    decides2dream wrote:
    oh you know it.

    however, i am learning. albeit slowly, but i'm learning. so yea, i give it a push...but then i know to step back now and again. and yea, i have to laugh. it's that or bang my head incessantly on the keyboard. but i have found that leaves a nasty bruise, and my husband is getting tired of buying new keyboards. :)


    Oh yes, I know the keyboard-head-bang-bruise quite well. :D
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Oh yes, I know the keyboard-head-bang-bruise quite well. :D

    http://www.vidiac.com/category/Kids/1/050a9ca5-9581-42f5-88b7-521148f5e685.htm
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    Ahnimus wrote:
    http://www.vidiac.com/category/Kids/1/050a9ca5-9581-42f5-88b7-521148f5e685.htm


    LMFAO!!!!!!!


    jlew24asu really shouldn't let his webcam vids get out like that. ;)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    LMFAO!!!!!!!


    jlew24asu really shouldn't let his webcam vids get out like that. ;)

    I love that video, I'd like to see someone try to explain that. I mean, I've been mad at my PC before, but not like that.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    http://www.vidiac.com/category/Kids/1/050a9ca5-9581-42f5-88b7-521148f5e685.htm


    Holy Shit!!! That was flippin' hilarious! I hope that kids got some help...
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Holy Shit!!! That was flippin' hilarious! I hope that kids got some help...

    Yea, he's like a mad scientist :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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