How is abortion morally ethical.....

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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    hippiemom wrote:
    Because it's her body.

    No when a baby is formed its "ours"..if its just yours than i shouldnt have to pay child support.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's kind of disturbing that even though you agree that it's not a choice anyone should make for another person, you'd have no problem with the government doing exactly that.


    maybe he's a liberal after all. ;)
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's kind of disturbing that even though you agree that it's not a choice anyone should make for another person, you'd have no problem with the government doing exactly that.

    i have no problem with the government regulating murder...people act like abortions are a good thing. ITs the most vile thing a woman could ever do...she should be ashamed for the rest of her life. Its nothing to be proud of, just like rape is nothing to be proud of
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    miller8966 wrote:
    i have no problem with the government regulating murder...people act like abortions are a good thing. ITs the most vile thing a woman could ever do...she should be ashamed for the rest of her life. Its nothing to be proud of, just like rape is nothing to be proud of

    Ironic, since I always felt one of the most vile things a man can do is try to control the reproductive rights of a woman. Funny.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    So I ask, why do you value humans more than other animals?

    because an animal cant produce beautiful music, a peice of art, perform a heart transplant, create a lazor to correct bad vision, cook a meal, play a sport, write a poem, write a novel, i cant believe I am debating this.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    miller8966 wrote:
    i have no problem with the government regulating murder...people act like abortions are a good thing. ITs the most vile thing a woman could ever do...she should be ashamed for the rest of her life. Its nothing to be proud of, just like rape is nothing to be proud of
    Until you can explain to me exactly how you reached the conclusion that it's murder, there's no point in talking about it. As I said earlier, your personal feelings and opinions are fine to use when making decisions in your own life, but they're worthless to anyone else. If you can't make a logical and convincing argument for your beliefs, there's no reason for anyone to pay them any mind.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    because an animal cant produce beautiful music, a peice of art, perform a heart transplant, create a lazor to correct bad vision, cook a meal, play a sport, write a poem, write a novel, i cant believe I am debating this.


    But other animals do so much that we can't, and so much that we don't even know about. Do you honestly think you know all of the interactions that take place between each animal species? You are so self absorbed to think those things you listed make us 'better' than other animal species. Those things you listed are so inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Every animal species has very unique characteristics that set them apart from all others. A bat would have no need for laser corrective eye surgery, a honeybee does not care about poetry. Yet, we cannot make honey nor have the communication style of honeybees or the built in radar of a bat. The things you listed are but a minute variance in our species from another. Certainly nothing to claim us as superior. In your frame of context, sure I can understand it. But, you are limiting your perspective. Look at it not as a human in a humans world, but as an animal in an Earth community.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    But other animals do so much that we can't, and so much that we don't even know about. Do you honestly think you know all of the interactions that take place between each animal species? You are so self absorbed to think those things you listed make us 'better' than other animal species. Those things you listed are so inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Every animal species has very unique characteristics that set them apart from all others. A bat would have no need for laser corrective eye surgery, a honeybee does not care about poetry. Yet, we cannot make honey nor have the communication style of honeybees or the built in radar of a bat. The things you listed are but a minute variance in our species from another. Certainly nothing to claim us as superior. In your frame of context, sure I can understand it. But, you are limiting your perspective. Look at it not as a human in a humans world, but as an animal in an Earth community.


    I never thought I would be on a message board trying to explain to someone why humans are superior to animals.


    note to self: dont read poetry to honeybees. they dont care.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I never thought I would be on a message board trying to explain to someone why humans are superior to animals.


    note to self: dont read poetry to honeybees. they dont care.
    What is it that makes poetry of greater value than honey?
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I never thought I would be on a message board trying to explain to someone why humans are superior to animals.


    note to self: dont read poetry to honeybees. they dont care.


    It's kind of funny that you are frustrated with me. I think you are completely missing my point. It is very elementary.

    If I ask a 5th grader what makes humans better than sharks or deer or antelope, I would expect them to answer the way you did. I would expect them to say, 'well, because we have football and calligraphy and grapefruit juice and wheel of fortune'. I SEE that. I grew up with that mentality. You don't need to explain that to me, I see that. It is ingrained in us well enough.

    BUT, one great thing that I think does set us apart is our logic and reasoning (doesn't necessarily make us better). And that logic tells me (and most philosophers) that we are NOT unique, we are NOT special. What we think makes us great is rather insignificant in not only the universe and time/space, but even in our own ecosystems. You can see my point based on the examples I gave before. However, it is less about specifics and more about a general understanding about your place in this world. It is all at once overwhelming and multi faceted and at the same time so simple to see.

    You don't need to explain or argue how humans are superior to animals. I see that behavior every day in our culture. It is the reason we are destroying our habitat or ecosystem and it is the reason we will ultimately fail in our quest for self-sustainability, independent from nature.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    What is it that makes poetry of greater value than honey?


    how bout poetry to a cockroach?

    i love cockroaches. its a beautiful animal that deserves my respect and admiration.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    It's kind of funny that you are frustrated with me. I think you are completely missing my point. .


    no i got your point. and im not frustrated. its laughable to me.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how bout poetry to a cockroach?

    i love cockroaches. its a beautiful animal that deserves my respect and admiration.
    Again ... what is it that makes poetry more valuable than honey?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    You don't need to explain or argue how humans are superior to animals. I see that behavior every day in our culture. It is the reason we are destroying our habitat or ecosystem and it is the reason we will ultimately fail in our quest for self-sustainability, independent from nature.


    have you ever eaten an animal?
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no i got your point. and im not frustrated. its laughable to me.


    That's too bad. As I said, it's that smugness and lack of empathy/understanding and belief that we can live seperate from nature that is our ultimate shortcoming and will be the downfall of our species.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    have you ever eaten an animal?

    Yes I have.

    Circle of life.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    Again ... what is it that makes poetry more valuable than honey?


    again, I believe humans are superior to animals. spare me you silly questions. i like honey, it tastes good.
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, I believe humans are superior to animals. spare me you silly questions. i like honey, it tastes good.


    Until you stop answering questions on a 5th grade level and enter into adult philosophical/logical debate, we will continue to ask the same questions.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Until you stop answering questions on a 5th grade level and enter into adult philosophical/logical debate, we will continue to ask the same questions.


    i already answered why i believe humans are superior to animals. i only wish and hope i can one day answer these bonehead questions on the superior level you are on
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, I believe humans are superior to animals. spare me you silly questions. i like honey, it tastes good.
    Again, the fact that you believe it is irrelevant to anyone else if you can't tell us WHY.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963

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