How is abortion morally ethical.....

cincybearcat

hippiemom wrote:

Ok, got that ladies? If you don't want a baby right now, YOU CAN'T HAVE SEX! Not at all! No birth control is 100% effective, so you just tell that husband of yours that he'll be sleeping on the couch until you get your masters degree and save up for a downpayment on a house. Sex is bad, bad, bad, unless you're willing to make a baby :rolleyes:

NOt just ladies...guys too, if you don;t want to have a kid don't have sex. You can take all the precautions you want, but if it doesn't work, then you should deal with your responsibilities and raise your child.

Oh wait, you were joking.

Boom The Cat

If a condom splits and one thing leads to another, I see no reason why they SHOULDNT have an abortion. They were being responsible and an accident happened.

VINNY GOOMBA

hippiemom wrote:

Ok, got that ladies? If you don't want a baby right now, YOU CAN'T HAVE SEX! Not at all! No birth control is 100% effective, so you just tell that husband of yours that he'll be sleeping on the couch until you get your masters degree and save up for a downpayment on a house. Sex is bad, bad, bad, unless you're willing to make a baby :rolleyes:

Hippiemom,

that's not what i'm sayin. I have a girlfriend. I bang her on the regular, she loves it, i love it. We take precautions. We don't necessarily want a baby right now, But, we know what can STILL happen, and if it does, we're willing to accept it. Let's face it, if you're smart enough about it, you can probably bet against a pregnancy happening. I say, FUCK ALL YOU WANT. Just know that even if the guy's wearing a rubber, she has a diaphragm, birth control pills, pull out, and rhythm method ALL AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT STILL HAPPENS-- you still made that agreement to accept whatever was the consequence.

Now, realistically, you can probably get away with just a condom (ribbed for your hippie pleasure), or just birth control pills. Hey, even both, and you're probably at 99.99999% for life if you want. When it comes to the life of that baby, I strongly believe there is no OOPS.

And to my brothers on the board, I make no attempt to cock block ya.

I know this always turns into a battle of the sexes of sorts, I don't want to do that. I don't want to tell women what to do with their bodies, I don't give a shit, really. But yeah, I care about the kid. I do.

hippiemom

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Hippiemom,

that's not what i'm sayin. I have a girlfriend. I bang her on the regular, she loves it, i love it. We take precautions. We don't necessarily want a baby right now, But, we know what can STILL happen, and if it does, we're willing to accept it. Let's face it, if you're smart enough about it, you can probably bet against a pregnancy happening. I say, FUCK ALL YOU WANT. Just know that even if the guy's wearing a rubber, she has a diaphragm, birth control pills, pull out, and rhythm method ALL AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT STILL HAPPENS-- you still made that agreement to accept whatever was the consequence.

Now, realistically, you can probably get away with just a condom (ribbed for your hippie pleasure), or just birth control pills. Hey, even both, and you're probably at 99.99999% for life if you want. When it comes to the life of that baby, I strongly believe there is no OOPS.

And to my brothers on the board, I make no attempt to cock block ya.

I know this always turns into a battle of the sexes of sorts, I don't want to do that. I don't want to tell women what to do with their bodies, I don't give a shit, really. But yeah, I care about the kid. I do.

I'm not going to calculate all the odds, I just know that I've had unprotected consentual sex once in my entire life, and I've been pregnant three times. I know people who have gotten pregnant while using a diaphragm, while using condoms, while taking the pill, after a tubal ligation, so it's not the same odds as being struck by lightning. And since I think it's best if people complete their education and wait until they're in a stable financial position to have kids, and since I think it's unrealistic to expect that people will remain virgins for 25 or 30 years, and since I don't believe that an embryo or fetus in the early stages is the same thing as a baby, and since I don't think that what's going on in another woman's body is any of my business, I am pro-choice.

Clearly, you don't share some of these views, and we're not going to change one another's minds, so this discussion is probably pointless.

VINNY GOOMBA

hippiemom wrote:

I'm not going to calculate all the odds, I just know that I've had unprotected consentual sex once in my entire life, and I've been pregnant three times. I know people who have gotten pregnant while using a diaphragm, while using condoms, while taking the pill, after a tubal ligation, so it's not the same odds as being struck by lightning. And since I think it's best if people complete their education and wait until they're in a stable financial position to have kids, and since I think it's unrealistic to expect that people will remain virgins for 25 or 30 years, and since I don't believe that an embryo or fetus in the early stages is the same thing as a baby, and since I don't think that what's going on in another woman's body is any of my business, I am pro-choice.

Clearly, you don't share some of these views, and we're not going to change one another's minds, so this discussion is probably pointless.

I'd say on our usernames alone, we'd never agree on this, ha ha. Nah, I'm not trying to change your mind so much, I mean I'd like to, probably as much as you'd like to change mine. I do admit, that I'd love to convince people who are on the fence about this issue. And I'm not really one for debate so much-- actually, I only responded cause I think you got me, and my post all wrong. But hey, keep on rockin in the free world.

callen

DOSW wrote:

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A fetus WILL BE a human life, even if it isn't yet. It's like saying a jackpot lottery ticket is worthless because it hasn't been cashed in yet.

When you have an abortion, you are taking a human life. No amount of attempted rationalization (like 'but it's not a human life yet!') can change that fact.

So ladies...lets not waste any of your eggs...because they can become human life...and fellas...no more wanking just for the fun of it..cause your wasting all those human lives...millions...ah ah ah...okay, for some, Billions of lives. (-:

callen

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I'd say on our usernames alone, we'd never agree on this, ha ha. Nah, I'm not trying to change your mind so much, I mean I'd like to, probably as much as you'd like to change mine. I do admit, that I'd love to convince people who are on the fence about this issue. And I'm not really one for debate so much-- actually, I only responded cause I think you got me, and my post all wrong. But hey, keep on rockin in the free world.

so answer me this....do you think one persons religious convictions should trump anothers???

Cause thats what this is all about...some belive life starts at conception and others don't...and those that do...want to control how women that don't, treat their bodies.

jlew24asu

Boom The Cat wrote:

If a condom splits and one thing leads to another, I see no reason why they SHOULDNT have an abortion. They were being responsible and an accident happened.

seems like a low value for life IMO.

eh opps condom broke. get the vacuum honey.

callen

hippiemom wrote:

I'm not going to calculate all the odds, I just know that I've had unprotected consentual sex once in my entire life, and I've been pregnant three times. I know people who have gotten pregnant while using a diaphragm, while using condoms, while taking the pill, after a tubal ligation, so it's not the same odds as being struck by lightning. And since I think it's best if people complete their education and wait until they're in a stable financial position to have kids, and since I think it's unrealistic to expect that people will remain virgins for 25 or 30 years, and since I don't believe that an embryo or fetus in the early stages is the same thing as a baby, and since I don't think that what's going on in another woman's body is any of my business, I am pro-choice.

Clearly, you don't share some of these views, and we're not going to change one another's minds, so this discussion is probably pointless.

your using this great tool (internet and message board) to spread what you believe is corrrect.....no other communication source is availalble to communicate your thoughts....and remember in the end...its pretty clear...so eventually people will think about it on a higher level.

callen

jlew24asu wrote:

seems like a low value for life IMO.

eh opps condom broke. get the vacuum honey.

and what made me think after communicating on Bush boy not being able to control oil prices(yes I do agree with you..mostly) ...that your also on the once the sperm enters egg its a full fledged baby side....course I am smiling as I write this..so don't take it wrong...having fun today.

AllNiteThing

jlew24asu wrote:

your trying to say abortion is natural? now that is delusional

It is for our species. How can you dispute that?

AllNiteThing

callen wrote:

so answer me this....do you think one persons religious convictions should trump anothers???

Cause thats what this is all about...some belive life starts at conception and others don't...and those that do...want to control how women that don't, treat their bodies.

Ooooooh EXCELLENT post!! Gotta remember that one. I nominate this best post of the thread.

VINNY GOOMBA

callen wrote:

so answer me this....do you think one persons religious convictions should trump anothers???

Cause thats what this is all about...some belive life starts at conception and others don't...and those that do...want to control how women that don't, treat their bodies.

That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.

For those without a religion, or who don't believe in the afterlife-- isn't it more important that the kid experiences THIS life, especially if there is no second life? Yeah, some rotten shit goes down sometimes... but as we say, THAT'S LIFE. Life's pretty beautiful too.

I can't really emphasize it enough. It ain't about telling a woman how to treat her body. I think it's unfair to that other body that is so OBVIOUSLY a human being.

And to answer your question. Of course one person's religious beliefs should trump the others, IF IT'S RIGHT

hippiemom

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.

So what? I've got acorns all over my back yard. They contain all the genetic material required to produce an oak tree. If I leave them alone, one day they will be beautiful, majestic oaks. I'm not going to leave them alone though, I'm going to rake them up, and if some of them sprout I'm going to yank them out of the ground. Is that the same thing as chopping down trees?

DOSW

callen wrote:

So ladies...lets not waste any of your eggs...because they can become human life...and fellas...no more wanking just for the fun of it..cause your wasting all those human lives...millions...ah ah ah...okay, for some, Billions of lives. (-:

Eggs themselves won't become a life. Sperm itself won't become a life. A fetus will.

Difficult concept, huh?

VINNY GOOMBA

hippiemom wrote:

So what? I've got acorns all over my back yard. They contain all the genetic material required to produce an oak tree. If I leave them alone, one day they will be beautiful, majestic oaks. I'm not going to leave them alone though, I'm going to rake them up, and if some of them sprout I'm going to yank them out of the ground. Is that the same thing as chopping down trees?

Comparing trees and humans is like... COMPARING TREES AND HUMANS.

Boom The Cat

jlew24asu wrote:

seems like a low value for life IMO.

eh opps condom broke. get the vacuum honey.

But if they dont, the kid will probably be neglected or something, which isnt good for the parents or the kid.

callen

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.

For those without a religion, or who don't believe in the afterlife-- isn't it more important that the kid experiences THIS life, especially if there is no second life? Yeah, some rotten shit goes down sometimes... but as we say, THAT'S LIFE. Life's pretty beautiful too.

I can't really emphasize it enough. It ain't about telling a woman how to treat her body. I think it's unfair to that other body that is so OBVIOUSLY a human being.

And to answer your question. Of course one person's religious beliefs should trump the others, IF IT'S RIGHT

how exactly did you come up with life is at conception...I mean...few hours after the sperm entered the egg.......not that much happened...sooo if its not religious....tell me how do you then justify this particular time??? I'm thinking...you were influenced in your deductive reasoning.

OBVIOUSLY a human being...PLEASE!....
LIke your last line...seriously...I always have to remember to change the word "right" with "correct" when I post here... (-:

hippiemom

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Comparing trees and humans is like... COMPARING TREES AND HUMANS.

I wasn't comparing trees and humans.

callen

DOSW wrote:

Eggs themselves won't become a life. Sperm itself won't become a life. A fetus will.

Difficult concept, huh?

if you stop them before they become life.... (-: