How is abortion morally ethical.....

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I'm sayin despite my conservative stance on this issue, I am by no means, a right winger.

ah ok I gotcha. I didnt follow what you said in this thread.

VINNY GOOMBA

jlew24asu wrote:

ah ok I gotcha. I didnt follow what you said in this thread.

probably better that you don't... i seem to be the minority here!

decides2dream

jlew24asu wrote:

I apologize. I meant most. feel better now?

i feel fine, but thanks for asking. your view, or posts...have no bearing on how i feel. i was merely making a point. however, i actually disagree even with that statement, but i'll not quibble.




hippiemom, i thank you for making me feel sane.

hippiemom

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree with you about acorns and trees. And I say, rake up all the acorns you want. Put 'em in a pie and eat 'em. I don't care.

I'm sayin that an acorn can't be put on the same level as a fetus. EVER.

And I'm saying that I never put an acorn on the same level as a fetus. I'm talking about your logic here, not about trees vs. people.

decides2dream

DOSW wrote:

Interesting. But it's completely different when the body naturally expels an embryo by accident. That's nature, or God, or whatever power you believe in, choosing that embryo to be discarded. That's not for us to decide.

IN YOUR OPINION...it is not for us to decide. to me, it very much IS our right. in the animal kingdom, mothers of all species will kill their young if they know they don't have enough food to support them....male animals of many species are known to kill off newborns from other male mating so that they may mate with the female and pass on their genetic material....etc, etc.....killing off living things on purpose exists in nature in oh so many ways. so yea, i think it is a-ok and within the rights of a woman to knock a cluster of cells out. and hey, i am totally cool with you not being for it. i'd be sure to never have sex with ya. but don't try to tell me, or any woman...that it is not for *us* to decide. it simply is not for YOU to decide that. altho sure, i am far more in favor of prevention entirely...but if it happens...i think it well within the rights of a woman to make that call. thankfully, thus far that right has not been taken away.

VINNY GOOMBA

hippiemom wrote:

And I'm saying that I never put an acorn on the same level as a fetus. I'm talking about your logic here, not about trees vs. people.

Yo hip, we're done honey, DONE!

cincybearcat

I love this debate...each side thinks the other is completely and utterly wrong...makes for some good stuff.

babykillers vs men who impose their will and beliefs on women and their bodies...on the next Jerry Springer.

VINNY GOOMBA

cincybearcat wrote:

I love this debate...each side thinks the other is completely and utterly wrong...makes for some good stuff.

babykillers vs men who impose their will and beliefs on women and their bodies...on the next Jerry Springer.

You're right. But if it were men who had babies, or if men could also have babies, I'd be talkin to them too.


and my EDIT:

AND IF THE QUEEN HAD BALLS, SHE'D BE KING.

hippiemom

DOSW wrote:

Interesting. But it's completely different when the body naturally expels an embryo by accident. That's nature, or God, or whatever power you believe in, choosing that embryo to be discarded. That's not for us to decide.

But we go against nature all the time! There's nothing unnatural about the virus that causes pneumonia. If you get pneumonia, are you going to say "That's god telling me it's time to go," or are you going to go see a doctor?

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

I love this debate...each side thinks the other is completely and utterly wrong...makes for some good stuff.

babykillers vs men who impose their will and beliefs on women and their bodies...on the next Jerry Springer.

i don't think you're wrong to believe and practice what you believe. i ONLY think it's wrong when one trys to FORCE their set of beliefs on others who clearly do NOT follow that said belief. think and do as yo u please...nothing but respect. i only ask the same.


*edit contraction.

Ahnimus

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

AND IF THE QUEEN HAD BALLS, SHE'D BE KING.

I wasn't going to get involved, but then I saw this.

I should say, If the queen had balls she'd be a hermaphrodite. Not necissarily king. She would be outcast in some societies and others would praise her as an oracle.

VINNY GOOMBA

Ahnimus wrote:

I wasn't going to get involved, but then I saw this.

I should say, If the queen had balls she'd be a hermaphrodite. Not necissarily king. She would be outcast in some societies and others would praise her as an oracle.

Yeah, If is a deadly word sometimes.

Your post is funny though.

cincybearcat

decides2dream wrote:

i don't think your wrong to believe and practice what you believe. i ONLY think it's wrong when one trys to FORCE their set of beliefs on others who clearly do NOT follow that said belief. think and do as yo u please...nothing but respect. i only ask the same.

Me too, stop forcing your will on those babies.

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

Me too, stop forcing your will on those babies.

haha.
well if we can agree on that, no worries. the babies are just fine. its the zygotes/embryos/fetuses i am discussing. ya know, the little acorns.

anyway, my *will* has been forced on no one, and no thing...and i am happy about that. however, i fully support the right of any woman to make choices for herself..and sure..whatever cells are growing inside her. so yea, entirely up to her if she wants to have a baby and keep it, have a baby and give it up for adoption, or to have an abortion. i merely want the CHOICE to survive. and yes, for males....they have choice too. of course, male and female alike should use BC, whatever steps they can to prevent pregnancy, and most importantly, discuss such important issues as pro-life/pro-choice beforehand. although absolutely keep in mind, bottomline...at least, thankfully, at this time...the ultimate choice lies with the female....and she could change her mind in any direction if an unwanted pregnancy should occur....so be wise, and ready.

Ahnimus

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Locks are only there to keep the honest people out.

I mean, laws are only there to keep honest people in line. Without abortion there is numerous accounts of women killing their babies or abandoning them live in garbage cans. It goes back to seeing the makeshift doctor with a coat hanger to perform the abortion. Long before abortion was legal people were aborting their childs anyway. The sick thing is, sometimes they'd have to wait until after birth to kill it.

I will admit abortion is the killing of a living organism. It's like everytime you step on a bug you kill a living organism. Does anyone remember what it was like to be a fetus? No I guess not. So I don't give much credit to the Central Nervous System arguement.

I watched the "Kenny Dies" South Park episode last night and a good point was brought up. Eric was trying to get aborted fetuses to save Kenny's life, he convinced a pregnant woman to abort her child to try to save Kenny. Does that make sense, let one person die to give birth to another child? Like Eric said you can always make another one.

I think people put may too much value on a fetus. It's not conscious, it's not really anything but a series of organic cells arranged in human-like manner.

decides2dream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnwbpNejsQ&mode=related&search


just give head.

VINNY GOOMBA

decides2dream wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnwbpNejsQ&mode=related&search


just give head.

hahahahahaha

How the fuck does that big dog just sit there and take that?

decides2dream

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

How the fuck does that _________ just sit there and take that?

*bites tongue*

i have no idea. i have a pug, and a pointer. and while our pug, male, does not abuse our pointer, female, in any such way...she DOES take so much abuse from him it's ridiculous. maybe dogs/animals are way smarter than us than we give em credit...they understand being kind to the little guy...givin' em a break....and sure, a little head really isn't that bad.



seriously...we just SOOO needed a break here.

AllNiteThing

jlew24asu wrote:

"probably be neglected or something" thats how you justify killing it?

many people come from difficult beginnings, and turn out just fine.

How can you call it 'killing'? That's like comparing cracking open an egg to make breakfast with chopping off the head of a live chicken. Not even close to the same thing. You're not killing a living, independent being, you are merely ending the possibility of a being existing. You can spin it any way you want it, but it's a huge leap of logic you are taking.

AllNiteThing

DOSW wrote:

Interesting. But it's completely different when the body naturally expels an embryo by accident. That's nature, or God, or whatever power you believe in, choosing that embryo to be discarded. That's not for us to decide.

Who are you to decide what's for us to decide? lol I'm serious.