How is abortion morally ethical.....

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

Again, the fact that you believe it is irrelevant to anyone else if you can't tell us WHY.

try to read. i already told you why

AllNiteThing

jlew24asu wrote:

try to read. i already told you why

You have stated what characteristics of us you think make us superior to animals. But, that is your opinion, which as stated is irrelevant if you can't state why those characteristics make us superior. There is a distinction that you have ignored.

I can say I am superior to you because I can play guitar or because I can burp the alphabet. But that is irrelevant unless I can come to a logical reason why that makes me superior to you. That is essentially what you are saying.

rigneyclan

miller8966 wrote:

Why is everything the "womans" choice? What if she wants to keep it and i want it aborted? WHy is her opinion more valuable than mine. Why isnt abortion consentual, a woman can just walk in and have an abortion without notifying the father, how is that right?

She is carrying the baby and it's her body.

rigneyclan

miller8966 wrote:

i have no problem with the government regulating murder...people act like abortions are a good thing. ITs the most vile thing a woman could ever do...she should be ashamed for the rest of her life. Its nothing to be proud of, just like rape is nothing to be proud of

As I already said, If abortion is outlawed, expect to see a big spike in crime, people on welfare, child abuse cases, etc in the decades to come as those millions of unwanted, abused and negleted children grow up.
I personally will always find a dead fetus far less tragic than an abused, unwanted, unloved, neglected child.

Collin

miller8966 wrote:

Why is everything the "womans" choice? What if she wants to keep it and i want it aborted? WHy is her opinion more valuable than mine. Why isnt abortion consentual, a woman can just walk in and have an abortion without notifying the father, how is that right?

Well, it's her body, but I hope that when a woman decides to have an abortion and she has a partner, she will talk about it with him and not just have an abortion without notifying or informing the father...

Ahnimus

Collin wrote:

Well, it's her body, but I hope that when a woman decides to have an abortion and she has a partner, she will talk about it with him and not just have an abortion without notifying or informing the father...

I agree, some men wish they could have children and be able to make that decision. To have the freedom to give birth without relying on someone else. I personally would never want to do it, but it would be nice to have the option. The issue tends to be entirely centred around women's choice. The whole pregnancy situation kind of puts the woman in the spotlight. Many times with the father doing a lot behind the scenes. Preparing for the baby and caring for the mother as well.

I also like to add that I watched a debate video on abortion. Many of the pro-life people were calling pro-choice, pro-death, which I think is uncalled for.

catefrances

miller8966 wrote:

i have no problem with the government regulating murder...people act like abortions are a good thing. ITs the most vile thing a woman could ever do...she should be ashamed for the rest of her life. Its nothing to be proud of, just like rape is nothing to be proud of

i think the most vile thing i could do would be to walk down my hall right now, go into my children's room and slit their throats while they lay asleep in their beds.

see the difference?

i do.

dangerboy

AllNiteThing wrote:

Ironic, since I always felt one of the most vile things a man can do is try to control the reproductive rights of a woman. Funny.

no one is trying to control your reproductive rights. no one is trying to FORCE you to become pregnant, nor are they trying to FORCE you to not become pregnant.

but, once you are pregnant, you are trying to FORCE your will on the other being by (in my view, selfishly) imposing YOUR views on another being. and you are also trying to FORCE your views on the other person necessary for you to become pregnant, namely the male, by saying that it is for you to decide and you only.

meconium

i *heart* abortion

DOSW

It's impossible not to get frustrated and annoyed with the other side in an argument like this.

This is one of those topics where both sides really can't stand the other viewpoint.

Ali

NCfan wrote:

I often wonder how abortion is unethical. It seems like one of the most ethical medical practices to me.

tHEN MAYBE YOUR PARENTS SHOULDVE ENDED YOUR LIFE IN THE FIRST DAYS OF YOUR CONCEPTION AND ABORTED YOU.

OOPS.SORRY.

THAT'S NOT MURDER JUST LIKE THE DEATH PENALTY,IS IT?

prytocorduroy

Ali wrote:

tHEN MAYBE YOUR PARENTS SHOULDVE ENDED YOUR LIFE IN THE FIRST DAYS OF YOUR CONCEPTION AND ABORTED YOU.

OOPS.SORRY.

THAT'S NOT MURDER JUST LIKE THE DEATH PENALTY,IS IT?

I think what that person meant is that it's better to end the life of an unwanted child versus raising it in an unloving environment.

***I just jumped in now, didn't really read anything before, just what it looks like to me***

AllNiteThing

dangerboy wrote:

no one is trying to control your reproductive rights. no one is trying to FORCE you to become pregnant, nor are they trying to FORCE you to not become pregnant.

but, once you are pregnant, you are trying to FORCE your will on the other being by (in my view, selfishly) imposing YOUR views on another being. and you are also trying to FORCE your views on the other person necessary for you to become pregnant, namely the male, by saying that it is for you to decide and you only.

Hahaha, well, I AM male. If I were in a relationship, I would hope to be open to dialogue with my partner and that we would have an equal decision in the process. Personally, I am not FOR abortion. I doubt many people here are. The point is that it is not our place to tell a woman what to do (outside of our personal relationships). That said, I disagree with your comparison of a woman forcing her view on this being, as you call it. I don't believe a fetus to be a human being. The potential is there, sure. But a fetus is not an independently sustainable, fully formed human being living in our society. Until it does, it is part and property of the mother.

AllNiteThing

DOSW wrote:

It's impossible not to get frustrated and annoyed with the other side in an argument like this.

This is one of those topics where both sides really can't stand the other viewpoint.

I can stand them and their opinions, I just can't stand that when we get into these discussions, they can't answer any of the logical questions posed to them in a straightforward manner. I've posed many a logical/philosophical query only to be met with rhetorical answers, evasiveness and smugness.

decides2dream

miller8966 wrote:

yet the death penalty is not?

for me, to put it in the most simplistic terms . . . to end the process of possibility for something that *may* be . . . in opposition to ending the future of possibilities for someone that *is*...and therein lies the difference, and the morality.

DSOW wrote:

This is one of those topics where both sides really can't stand the other viewpoint.

i cannot speak for all on the other side of the fence, but for me, entirely untrue. i can stand, tolerate, respect the other viewpoint . . . and all i ask is the same. you live your life, i'll live mine . . . and allow all to make their own decisions, their own choices.

Nevermind

This country was founded on the idea of freedom of choice. Why should you make choices for others?

soulsinging

i hate abortions. i must've spent $1000 on those things over the past few years!

catefrances

dangerboy wrote:

no one is trying to control your reproductive rights. no one is trying to FORCE you to become pregnant, nor are they trying to FORCE you to not become pregnant.

but, once you are pregnant, you are trying to FORCE your will on the other being by (in my view, selfishly) imposing YOUR views on another being. and you are also trying to FORCE your views on the other person necessary for you to become pregnant, namely the male, by saying that it is for you to decide and you only.

see, here's the impasse. a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to carry the pregnancy to term. out of respect for her partner, she tells him and makes her wishes known. he counters with the wish that the pregnancy be continued. she tells him that having been pregnant before and knowing in all honesty what having this child will do to her, says she can not become a mother again. for her own mental well being she knows what her choice should be. the partner disagrees with her. he wants the child. he is now trying to force his will on her. her choice is simple isn't it? she loses her partner or she loses her sanity. i know which choice i would make.

DOSW

AllNiteThing wrote:

I've posed many a logical/philosophical query only to be met with rhetorical answers, evasiveness and smugness.

You can't play the logic card in a discussion like this. I think my views are much more logical than yours, and you think your views are more logical than mine.

DOSW

Nevermind wrote:

This country was founded on the idea of freedom of choice. Why should you make choices for others?

Making choices for others... it's called a "law."

Laws against murder prevent the 'choice' to commit murder.
Laws against stealing prevent the 'choice to steal.
Et cetera, et cetera.